Talk:Wim Hof
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I'm pasting material I removed from the unnecessary "Media appearances" section here, in case editors would like to use the sources to pull some content. Please be aware that most are primary sources.
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Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:06, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think these are relevant for the readers, so I don't think this should have been removed. 85.144.218.187 (talk) 10:55, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- The best path forward to restoring this content is to find secondary sources that cover these appearances. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Meditation
In this edit, I removed benefit claims about WHM sourced only to its own website. This was followed by content about the benefits of meditation cited to sources that do not mention WHM. I read this a improper synthesis and have tagged it as such. How do other editors feel about this content? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:31, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. I removed the past about meditation being beneficial as pure WP:SYNTH. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:17, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Records are suspicious
The claims of "world records" are suspiciously unsourced. According to Hof's website he has 21 Guinness world records, and yet there is no official list, and there is only one current record (the marathon in Finland). It is possible that Hof did have records at one point, but there is no master list of what those records might have been. In addition, the record of most people "simultaneously doing breathwork" is a single local news source, and does not seem to be corroborated by Guinness--or another other record agency I'm aware of. The entire record section seems superfluous and I think it might be better to just delete it entirely since 1) it's poorly sourced and 2) is it really important? Either way, the formatting is terrible and the section on The Wim Hof method also needs to be deleted or fleshed out. Switfoot (talk) 20:28, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Quotations
I added an over-quotation template to the Wim Hof Method section, because the text is mostly quotes. On top of that, it has the back-and-forth style of two opposing editors each trying to have the last word. I will try to condense this section, remove the long quotes, and trim it down to only the higher-quality references once I have time to vet them. As it now stands it's a mess of competing references. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 03:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Also, I removed the part about how a survey asked how the Wim Hof Method had improved peoples' lives: a) who cares, and b) the only reference was to YouTube, an unreliable source. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 03:28, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- I decided to be WP:BOLD and greatly condensed the Wim Hof Method section, removing most of the quotes and some of the less-relevant studies, as the section was a laundry list of low-quality studies of Hof's method, mostly citing primary sources. I took out my earlier over-quotation template since that problem has been fixed. I tried to make it clearer that data on Hof's method is conflicting and equivocal and leave it at that, rather than burying the reader in highly technical direct quotes, but left in a couple of concrete example studies. I think it reads much more cleanly now. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 19:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- I think you have trimmed it in such a way that a lot of relevant information has been removed. I would ad a summary of each research, and also make sure to correctly quote as well as list the interpretation of the results of the studies. For Example, the most important result of the 2014 Radboud study is not that it decrease pro-inflammatory markers, but that it proved that everybody can indeed influence their autonomic nervous system and immun system. I will ad a few sections, to make sure that this text is either corrected or added on. The edits made have causede the text to be more complicated for the reader. 85.144.218.187 (talk) 10:54, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- As this is a MIT study, I think you have trimmed the text in such a way, that you are removing relevant sources. I am not sure why you keep trimming the text, but it seems to be a little suspicious. Please make sure to trim only the part of which you talk about here. 85.144.218.187 (talk) 10:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Recommend Protecting this Page?
A user named Ilsebeckenpower is repeatedly making changes to this page that are clearly self-promotional. I recommend that we lock it to protect it from vandalism for 30 days. Switfoot (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- All of the edits were removed, just because it was not properly sourced. 85.144.218.187 (talk) 17:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- It seems there's more vandalism going on. Several recent edits by @aquatic ambiance removed well-documented links to alleged Wim Hof Method related deaths as well as re-instated the claim that Wim Has 26 Guinness world records. The source was the Daily Mirror (a terrible paper) while Guinness (the original source) only has one recorded. Switfoot (talk) 22:10, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Scott Carney is editing the page
- my suggestion is to remove the last year's edits
It is clear that a person Scott Carney, is trying to wreck this page by: 1. removing facts 2. Adding himself to make himself relevant 3. Adding inaccurate information only with the object of trying to spin the tex.
Moderators, please make sure to look into this. 95.97.158.198 (talk) 12:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)