Talk:A Clockwork Orange (film)

=So what does it mean?

So what does 'a clockwork orange' mean then. I was told its to do with 'time is like a clockwork orange' but that's not all that helpful.

Intended film format vs. HDTV?

Wasn't Kubrick's intended film format 4:3, so the HD anamorphic releases hide picture parts intended to be seen by the audience?--85.182.34.104 (talk) 21:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• • The Blu-ray is pillarboxed at a 1.66 aspect ratio [1], which according to the imdb is the intended ratio [2] Conquerist (talk) 01:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Problem with the Differences secton

Is it just me, or does the section containing differences between the book and the novel just run into a general trivia section? Everything after the comment about how the last chapter was not filmed is completely irrelevant to that section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.198.15 (talk) 05:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

opera titles

Does Wiki have a standard for when to translate the titles of works in a foreign language? This article refers to "The Thieving Magpie" and "La Gazza Ladra". Anyone unfamiliar with the work (or Italian) wouldn't know that they're the same thing. Iglew (talk) 23:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Theme: Hypocrisy

Another theme is hypocrisy, shown by Alex, his friends turned police, the government and minister, and the author. --Ephilei (talk) 06:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The hypocrisy theme is even more pronounced in the full version of the novel which was never published in the U.S. because the ending is too dark. It goes on for some time beyond the end of the story in the movie. Alex rebuilds his gang with new members and continues his reign of terror, but finds himself getting bored and begins to consider the idea of settling down and starting a family. Hypocrisy indeed. 76.168.70.193 (talk) 07:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)Fifth Pillinipsi

I removed the Miscellaneous section

Is this even true? Why was it in a section of its own? Why was it in a quote box?

Burgess sold the rights to the screenplay to a then upcoming rock n roller, Mick Jagger, for a very low price.
Mick Jagger went on to sell it to Kubrick. This was supposedly why Burgess disclaimed the relations with the
movie along with its anti-"status quo".

Please don't put it back unless you can cite a source. Thanks. Alexforcefive (talk) 21:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't it mention it somewhere on the imdb page? Dannysjgdf (talk) 16:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Some plot-related remarks

1. "...While they are walking by a canal, Alex without warning suddenly attacks the other Droogs in a move to reestablish his leadership.". How relevant is the canal? IMHO the 1st part of the sentence can be removed.
2. "He briefly has a fantasy of him having sex with a naked woman while Victorian age figures look on applauding.". Isn't it obvious she was naked? That's the normal way it's done. Maybe "having sex with a woman" would be enough?
Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 07:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that some parts of the summary-just little things like places or actions-are irrelevant and could be removed. I agree with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.244.120 (talk) 03:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Spacing

There were a couple of blank lines at the end of the lede, with a comment saying "spacing, please do not remove". I couldn't see any reason for them to be there so I've removed them anyway, but I thought I'd leave a notehere inviting whoever added them to comment if they think they're needed. Olaf Davis | Talk 19:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Why would you do that?!? If it says don't remove it, then DON'T F***ING REMOVE IT! No, I'm just kidding. I think it was for the better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.244.120 (talk) 03:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

"In popular culture"

This section is way too long. It needs to be refined to those entries for which reliable third-party sources can be found per WP:V. At present it is a trivia list and I have tagged it as such. --John (talk) 20:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Especially since there is in fact a separate article linked at the top on list of cultural references to CO. We should put in an invisible wikinote to add further stuff there, move a lot of stuff that is here to there.--WickerGuy (talk) 05:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I have deleted this section. Any that were worth keeping can be moved to the other article. Very few were in my opinion. --John (talk) 06:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Is this really Science Fiction?

I take issue with the idea that this story is science fiction, even though many people disagree as can be seen by the fact that is was named one of the best science fiction films in various surveys. By wikipedia's own definition, science fiction refers to stories in which technological or scientific issues are speculated upon. There is none of that sort in the story. The closest thing to it might be the behavioral modification treatment the anti-hero receives while in jail, and such things have been practiced in mental hospitals for centuries. Perhaps it is the use of a drug that suggests a technological speculation, but I fail to see how that lifts the story beyond historically common practices of beating, burning, or partially drowning mental patients to change their behavior. If an author were to write a story wherein one character beats another one with an object never before used for that purpose, a foghorn perhaps, have they written science fiction? Of course not.

To me, the story belongs in the genre of alternative history, with it's notion of Soviet domination of Britain. There are lots of novels like this, where the southern states won the American Civil War, or the Nazis won WWII. I never agreed with people calling those novels science fiction either. Alternative histories are a branch of fantasy, not science fiction. 76.168.70.193 (talk) 07:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)Fifth Pillinipsi

CO fits the definition of what is sometimes called social science fiction. There's a whole WP article on it. Perhaps this should be reflected in the text of the article.--WickerGuy (talk) 14:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Alex Burgess

Regarding Alex's surname in the movie - near the end of the movie (around 1:57), after Alex awakens in the hospital, a series of newspaper pages is shown, criticizing the Ludovico project. In almost all articles name Burgess can be seen fully or partially. One page in particular reads:

"DOCTORS las night blamed secret laboratory experiments on criminals for causing Alex Burgess, the 'Cat-Woman Killer', to attempt suicide." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roundchild (talk • contribs) 05:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Dark Comedy

I say we change Genre to Science Fiction Dark Comedy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LedBeatles52596 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Dropped Japanese reference to cane stick

Article suggested Alex's concealed knife in his cane was similar to a Japanese weapon. I've changed the reference to indicate similarity to the Victorian London dagger cane as I feel this is more likely the reference point, given Alex's wearing of the archaic bowler hat. Swords sticks and dagger canes are familiar references for echoing the dark side of Victorian London, mentioned in Sherlock Holmes novels and still advertised on the listed hoardings of [James Smith & Son’s on New Oxford Street]. --mgaved (talk) 19:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)