Talk:Cyberpunk derivatives

Merger proposal

I'm proposing merging the Cyberprep stub to here (and the fashion part to cyberpunk fashion). It is entirely defined in opposition to cyberpunk, so is a derivative, and there is very little to say about it, and only one source (GURPS again). Maybe it is even only important enough as a mention as a type of post-cyberpunk? Yobmod (talk) 13:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed and indeed. Seems more postcyberpunk than cyberpunk. Perhaps it ought to be considered a derivative of postcyberpunk? Ottens (talk) 15:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

There is so little to say about it that it definitely should be merged and be mentioned as postcyberpunk --Banime (talk) 20:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Most definitely agree. Somehow, that article escaped my attention. I guess there was not much to miss. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 23:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

The italian link

The italian link is wrong becouse it direct you to italian page that deals with "Elfpunk"--Wiwi1 (talk) 11:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

As the italian wiki doesn't have a "derivitives" article, and this is the only place with elfpunk on the English wiki, i think the link is ok.Yobmod (talk) 16:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

At least until out Italian colleagues come up with a proper Cyberpunk derivates article ;-)

The Russian link

The Russian wikipedia has two related articles:

• This one - I'm not sure what it's about, for I don't speak Russian
• And this one - which is about "Dieselpunk"

Unfortunately, two links to the same language wiki aren't possible. So how to solve this? Ottens (talk) 10:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

the first one is "techno-punk" (Idot (talk) 15:36, 29 September 2008 (UTC))

I would suggest linking only the one that has sources, ie the second one. If both had sufficient sources, then we would have reason to expand our article and think of splitting.Yobmod (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Nanopunk

Main article: Nanopunk

 :ru:нанопанк, it:nanopunk  :ru:нанопанк, it:nanopunk

A genre which is very close to bio-punk, but describes the world were use of biotechnologies are limited or prohibited, so only nanotechnologies in wide use (while in biopunk bio- and nanotechnologies are often coexist). The most famous example of this genre is Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age". As predcursor of nanopunk could be mentioned some novels of Stanislaw Lem like Weapon System of the Twenty First Century or The Upside-down Evolution, The Invincible (Niezwyciezony) and Peace on Earth (Pokoj na Ziemi). + A genre which is very close to bio-punk, but describes the world were use of biotechnologies are limited or prohibited, so only nanotechnologies in wide use (while in biopunk bio- and nanotechnologies are often coexist). The most famous example of this genre is Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age". As predcursor of nanopunk could be mentioned some novels of Stanislaw Lem like Weapon System of the Twenty First Century or The Upside-down Evolution, The Invincible (Niezwyciezony) and Peace on Earth (Pokoj na Ziemi).

It's very nice that third world countries try to write encylopedias of their own, but they do not seem to have any policies concerning verifiability or notability, which are what has prevented nanopunks inclusion on this article.Yobmod (talk) 13:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that sounds condescending. 71.154.15.130 (talk) 19:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Cyberprep

Where is the info for this entire section taken from? The only source us some magazine, that probally barely touches on the issue. There must have been other sources, but they probally were not listed. It's incredbly hard to find sources on this through. A quick google search shows nothing useful, but a forum talking about this "sub-genre". Why is there so little info on this? Can we be sure this is a real sub-genre and not something someone made up? I mean it seems real, but with nothing online even mentioning "cyberprep" leads me to have some doubts. This is just something to check up on. no rush - 69.244.100.206 (talk) 08:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I removed the paragraph on cyberprep from the article. It doesn't list any works in this genre... that makes it seem a little suspect to me. If it does exist, it needs a notable citation or two. Meliadoul (talk) 19:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Sandalpunk?

Wikipedia redirects here from that term. No coverage? aeonite (talk) 04:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

No reliable sources = no coverage in Wikipedia, aye. Google doesn't turn up much we can use unfortunately. Skomorokh 04:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

You will see a passing mention of it, along with other derivatives, under the heading "other proposed derivatives" in the article. Apparently, it derives from the wacky folks at GURPS, but there has been little independent development of the idea, at least as far as I have seen. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 04:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Springpunk?

I've heard the term "springpunk" use for what the article calls "clockpunk." If it has any real usage and does indeed refer a more or less simialr subgenre perhaps the section title should be Clockpunk/Springpunk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.240.33.142 (talk) 03:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

There are so few reliable sources using clockpunk, that even one RS using springpunk would make it competative for the common term. So if you can find the source you found it used in, i think mentioning it in the clockpunk section would be ok (like: Clockpunk (sometimes called Springpunk) is....YobMod 08:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Stonepunk?

How about adding something about stonepunk? An example of which would be "The Flintstones". --130.208.145.201 (talk) 12:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

It is mentioned under other. Flintstones could be added if there was a source.YobMod 12:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Salvagepunk?

An overview here, with the 'bard' here and the 'theorist' here. I don't feel especially qualified to write the entry, nor am I sure that it belongs on the 'Cyberpunk Derivatives' page, I just wanted to bring it to Wikipedia's attention (though if nobody answers to stop me I suppose I'll write it myself). It's possible that the entire 'genre' consists largely of one dude (the Socialism and/or Barbarism guy, Evan Calder Williams), but those other links (the overview and the theorist) suggest it might be getting some traction. Anyone who does choose to write it should not neglect the political tenor to't: ECW is an avowed Marxist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.19.37 (talk) 05:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Presuming we are using WP:GNG as the criteria for inclusion in this list, I'm afraid blog entries are not sufficient to establish notability. When articles are being written in reliable sources about salvagepunk, then it is appropriate in this article. -Verdatum (talk) 16:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Stitchpunk

Stitchpunk seems to have emerged to describe the aesthetic of the film 9, although the fans seem to be using it to describe the creatures in it, there is discussion of a "stitch punk aestheic" [1] and io9 are calling it a new genre [2] and it rolls on [3]. Just thought it worth flagging. (Emperor (talk) 22:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC))

Do science fiction of 1920s, 1930s and 1940s classify as dieselpunk?

I mean for example Metropolis film as well as Alexander Belyayev's novels such as Professor Dowell's Head, The Lord of the World, The Amphibian Man, Air Trader, as well as Alexey Tolstoy's Hyperboloid of Engineer Garin. Or to be classified as dieselpunk the works should be modern but styled for the epoch? Also do various science fiction about Nazi experimentation, Einstains's theories, Philadelphia experiment etc classify as dieselpunk, including such as Return to Castle Wolfenstain and Red Alert computer games?--Dojarca (talk) 04:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

• science fiction of 1920s, 1930s and 1940s - isn't dieselpunk, as science fiction of 19th century isn't steampunk
  but modern science fiction that look like science fiction of 1920s, 1930s and 1940s - is diselpunk
  as well as modern science fiction which look like science fiction of 19th century - is steampunk (Idot (talk) 03:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC))

  So what about modern science fiction about Nazi experimentation etc? Is it a dieselpunk?--MathFacts (talk) 03:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

  in general modern science fiction about that time is a dieselpunk (Idot (talk) 05:29, 30 January 2010 (UTC))

Bitpunk

The following has been removed now by more than one editor, but it keeps being readded. So, let's discuss it. This is not adequately sourced to remain in the article, in my opinion. It is a neologism, and was originally added by a user sharing the name with the person who coined the term, which means this is an attempt to promote the word's use. Until this is in wider use in sci-fi, and can then be reliably sourced, it should remain out. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 23:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Bitpunk is a term coined by Bob Doto to describe a genre of fiction that employs motifs based on 1980s technology, including 8-bit and 16-bit, from which the term got its name. Key features of the genre include the utilization of chiptune / chip music, third-wave feminism critiques, an appreciation of gender politics, as well as the sociology of race and ethnic relations. JB Ghuman Jr.'s 2010 film, "Spork," is considered a key example of bitpunk.

I've continued to re-add the post because I feel the reasons given, with the exception of neologism, are all suspect. I coined the term and posted it myself, however, I only referenced myself specifically based on the precedent set by the other entries. When it was eventually taken down for reasons of neologism alone I left it. However, once the article, and term, were picked up by io9.com, a considerable force in the sci-fi world to say the least, I felt the term once again deserved to be added to the page. The term "bitpunk" is sourcable to a number of places, albeit used in slightly different ways, most notably by Malcolm Maclaren, the founder of the Sex Pistols, in WIRED magazine. Not without mentioning, bitpunk is set to be included in the "proposed derivatives" section, which by its very name refers to proposals, and not necessarily (overly) widely used terms. All this said, I do believe the edit should go up, though after discussion, as I feel it does fall into a slight gray area.Bdotop (talk) 12:51, 13 May 2010 (UTC)bdotop

DieselPunk

Removed the line, "Somehow, open world action-adventure Assassin's Creed series can be included in this genre." from the end of the DieselPunk section for obvious reasons. No Disk (talk) 02:00, 31 December 2010

DieselPunk is not a legitimate genre. What's called "dieselpunk" is actually "pulp fiction."

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Gibson in dieselpunk section

I removed the following from Dieselpunk and bring it here for discussion:

A 1986 William Gibson short story in the Burning Chrome collection describes this genre as "The Gernsback Continuum", after the works of contemporary writer Hugo Gernsback.

This is an inaccurate description of this story, as the character in the story is not describing a fictional genre at all. The subject of the story is the design style of the '30-'50s period, also referred to as Googie and Populuxe, and in the story called "raygun Gothic." But, this has nothing to do with any genre or subgenre of fiction. ---RepublicanJacobite_TheFortyFive 21:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I've checked my copy of "The Gernsback Continuum" and no-where does the term "dieselpunk" appear, so without reference to an external citation, this is at best original research, at worst a falsehood. I would try to see if it is a reasonable interpretation of the text, but the claim is too tenuous to properly research; the term "Gernsback continuum" appears in the text only as the title. The only section mentioning Hugo Gernsback himself is as follows:

"Think of it," Dialta Downes had said, "as a kind of alternate America: a 1980 that never happened. An architecture of broken dreams."

And that was my frame of mind as I made the stations of her convoluted socioarchitectural cross in my red Toyota as I gradually tuned in to her image of a shadowy America-that-wasn't, of Coca-Cola plants like beached submarines, and fifth-run movie houses like the temples of some lost sect that had worshiped blue mirrors and geometry. And as I moved among these secret ruins, I found myself wondering what the inhabitants of that lost future would think of the world I lived in. The Thirties dreamed white marble and slipstream chrome, immortal crystal and burnished bronze, but the rockets on the covers of the Gernsback pulps had fallen on London in the dead of night, screaming. After the war, everyone had a car no wings for it and the promised superhighway to drive it down, so that the sky itself darkened, and the fumes ate the marble and pitted the miracle crystal...

At a stretch, you could see how someone could equate the narrator's imaginings of what people from thirties dreamed of as their future, and the definition of dieselpunk overleaf, but it looks to me very much like an effort at forcing square pegs into round holes. A spot of wishful thinking by self-identified dieselpunks and the chattering classes. Skomorokh 19:48, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Teslapunk

This section needs sources. I've never heard of it or seen it referred to as more than a tongue-in-cheek. Ottens (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

This sounds like someone getting extra pedantic about the steam in steampunk (sort of like people claiming steampunk needs to be punk because it has punk in it). I'd suggest removal. ~ Brother William (talk) 08:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Splatterpunk

I would like to suggest that Splatterpunk not be included in this article. It has an old history and is not remotely connected to cyberpunk except in being a pulp genre and having the word "punk" in its name. While Clive Barker is probably a big fan of Gibson I see very little connections.