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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE. The Bushranger One ping only 04:01, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
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Couldn't establish WP:NOTABILITY Boleyn (talk) 14:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- delete fails WP:ORG, in 16 years of existence, a mere 2 small gscholar hits. LibStar (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 16:19, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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Not notable, only source is a self-published website, only criticism is another self-published website, a couple of references in Google Books which do not appear to actually refer to the text; otherwise nothing. Nothing about it appears to be verifiable Rbreen (talk) 14:11, 30 December 2013 (UTC) On examining this further, I see that it was proposed for deletion in August 2012 but the process was not completed because the creating editor removed the notice and it was not removed. It was proposed [1] on the basis that "No indication or evidence of notability. All references provided are from a website that consists of the text of the play." This was endorsed on the same day: [2] I'm not sure if this counts as a second deletion or not, since it does not appear to have been continued.--Rbreen (talk) 14:28, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- delete Another Kolbrin Bible case: what if you faked a document and nobody read it? I'm not quite as down on tektonics.org as others are but I would agree that if this thing were of any importance more establishment sources would exist. Mangoe (talk) 17:19, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete No reliable sources and no likelihood of there ever being any for what appears to be a self-published internet hoax. --Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:23, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
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Doesn't indicate notability. Launchballer 14:20, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- Comment I think notability or otherwise may be difficult to establish since it doesn't look like there is much in English. There may be some coverage in Latvian so it would be handy if a Latvian speaker could comment.Acb314 (talk) 14:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Comment Oh, cool, didn't know that what they offer is even legal. Not sure it even is much of a virtual office - they just offer to register or declare residence at their address and some legal and booking services. It looks to be small business venture to me. I am not certain though if they aren't important in the particular niche they are operating in ~~Xil (talk) 03:25, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not sure what makes them notable, I read it more as an advert. (Might become a customer!) If the article had some additional references from the Latvian "Bizness" newspaper, Baltic Times, etc., I'd consider it more a reference article. Generally I'm for preserving any reasonable content regarding Central/Eastern/Baltic Europe, but someone would have to persuade me on this one. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 03:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete: Article contributed by a WP:SPA editor; the firm does not appear to have (or have had) an article on the Latvian Wikipedia; referenced only to a company listing page, the article text doesn't even make claim to be anything more than a firm going about its business on the page itself (other than the unquantified and unreferenced claim to be big and growing). Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. AllyD (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- In which case wouldn't it qualify under WP:G5?--Launchballer 23:20, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000(talk) 18:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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Poorly sourced promotional article about a product. No evidence of notability. Fails WP:GNG. - MrX 14:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Keep or Merge to Hero MotoCorp. If it isn't independently notable there is plenty of room in the parent article to cover this model. Candleabracadabra (talk) 23:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 12:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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there is no encyclopaedic value to this article as there is no actual relations. The USA does not recognise South Ossetia but neither does the vast majority of countries. Non recognition is covered here International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia [ LibStar (talk) 15:00, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- Delete I completely agree with the nominator it serves no purpose since the US does not recongize South Ossetia. JayJayWhat did I do? 15:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Redirect to International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. There's nothing meaningful to say that's not covered in that more general article (if there was a significant long-running controversy about the US's non-recognition, that might merit a separate article, but there's not). A redirect is appropriate because the article title follows a standard format for international relations articles and hence someone may search for the page, try to guess the URL, or even have an automatic script that generates links to Wikipedia pages. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. I agree with the nominator that a standalone article is wholly inappropriate. However, redirects are cheap and there is useful information at the target making the redirect worthwhile. The Whispering Wind (talk) 22:40, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect as suggested, per WP:CHEAP. Bearian (talk) 18:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect. There are no such relations. My very best wishes (talk) 23:30, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 16:22, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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this article survived an AfD 5 years ago when standards were not as stringent. The article reeks of self promotion, not surprising as it was created by a single purpose editor. Founding a non notable company doesn't really add to notability. And Luxury Lifestyle Connoisseur" and "Style Expert" is extremely dubious. LibStar (talk) 15:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete. Promotional. Gamaliel (talk) 19:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Delete. Non notable. Promotional. Olivier (talk) 15:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete This article must be appalling for the poor woman. Has she asked for it to be deleted? I think we should oblige her. The "notable" reference has been relegated to an external link somewhere down the line. Thincat (talk) 10:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- I suspected it was created by herself. LibStar (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 15:59, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
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Lists of in-game soundtracks with no external claims of notability are classic video game trivia. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Prod removed. Topic fails GNG by itself, as only mentions are the full track listings and no dedicated critical commentary, but a mention of the highlights in the main article's prose would make sense. czar ♔ 15:44, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete. Not the worst trivia list that I've seen, but it still lacks notability. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saints Row: The Third soundtrack contains the rest of the bundle (SR1, 3, 4). czar ♔ 21:36, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- The other three soundtracks were deleted. czar ♔ 14:41, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Merge.GTA is mentioned as being more notable and having more significant cultural impact than the Saint's Row series, per other deletion articles. However, this is highly arguable, as both series have a significant following. I'd sooner suggest merging a more simplified version of the tracklisting to the actual game's article than straight deleting the articles while retaining none of the information. Would suggest the same for the GTA soundtrack articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.14.55.22 (talk) 00:11, 12 January 2014 (UTC) — 184.14.55.22 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Series popularity/following (or any other series) doesn't have any impact on their notability and especially their soundtrack's individual notability. The only criteria is notability as defined by Wikipedia, namely WP:GNG. Popularity and notability very often overlap, but similarly a popular thing can be non-notable just as an unpopular thing can be notable. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 11:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete as not passing WP:GNG with multiple reliable independent in-depth sources, such as WP:VG/RS. I see soruces for teh release [3][4], but nothing offers critical commentary besides generic "here is a list of tracks". I can't find anything else of significant coverage and nothing outside the sources about the game itself. I don't suggest merging, as this will make main article unwieldy and a list of every track isn't essential information. The main article already has a sourced prose section on soundtrack and audio, which is sufficient. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 11:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Guerillero | My Talk 05:42, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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Redundant content fork, which can be included in articles for each episode and/or the series as whole. Similar to the recently deleted articles for Harry Potter films, Chronicles of Narnia films, Adaminte Makan Abu, etc. –Dream out loud (talk) 23:29, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete per nominator. Fredlyfish4 (talk) 02:11, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Guerillero | My Talk 05:44, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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Custom Coaches CB30, Custom Coaches CB80 and Custom Coaches SB50 all read like sales brochures. None are of any engineering or other significance. If there was a need for per WP:BRANCH could be held at Custom Coaches.
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- Delete. No third party coverage and nothing special about it. Such an unremarkable product hardly warrants a mention in the Custom Coaches article, let alone its own. - Shiftchange (talk) 14:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Selective Merge to Custom Coaches. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:47, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete all three, none worthy of an article. Ibsiadkgneoeb (talk) 22:22, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- delete all notability not established for stand alone articles of individual products. LibStar (talk) 15:11, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete the lot, Non notable articles. →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 17:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000(talk) 17:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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non-notable individual Zambelo (talk) 05:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep. I am somewhat reluctant about this since I suspect that the user who started this article, Mk08111, is likely related to the subject. Also, the article is a mess. But the fact is I have seen Kito on television many times as a commentator and he does specialize in what the article says he specializes in: cult incidents and consumer fraud cases. There are a number of articles centered on him: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], etc. He also appears in other articles as the leading lawyer for some plaintiff, such as in the Agura Bokujo case [10] or in the Unification Church case [11] or the Kinmirai Tsushin case [12]. He's also often sought out by news organizations for expert opinion on Aum Supreme Truth [13], mind control [14], or other cases [15]. The article already cites some English articles that note his role as a lawyer. I'm sure I could find more if I go through the newspaper databases. The article needs to be cleaned up, especially with regard to WP:COI, but he passes WP:GNG. Michitaro (talk) 03:20, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. As per the sources above provided by Michitaro (some of which I have added to the article), I think basic notability is adequately demonstrated. --DAJF (talk) 09:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep per above. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keepper Michitaro. James500 (talk) 02:04, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Shantha Biotechnics. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 12:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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Not obviously notable. Only ref looks like a regurgitated press release. Been around since 2009 without any third party sources. Velella Velella Talk 21:27, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- Merge to article on company he cofounded: Shantha Biotechnics Ltd. Much of the content relates to that company anyway. Candleabracadabra (talk) 22:59, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Selective Merge to Shantha Biotechnics. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:17, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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Non-notable minor functionary, recreated after deletion at first AFD. Sole third party ref is a mention, no significant coverage found. Hairhorn (talk) 21:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete and salt. Little of significance added since first AfD. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2013 (UTC).
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- Delete for lack of evidence of passing WP:GNG. Borderline A7 speedy as I don't see much in the way of a claim of significance in the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:44, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:16, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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This is frankly fancruft, and incredibly incomplete. I see no educational value in this list - Memory Beta exists for such purposes. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:51, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Looks like this is largely covered already at List of Star Trek novels, which lists them by which TV cast is featured and annotates with an in-universe timeline. All this list does is add some comic book stories, which are also already covered at List of comic books based on Star Trek: The Next Generation. Given that Star Trek spin-off fiction notes that these are non-canon, it's not even that useful to fans to combine the lists because there's no pretense that they form some coherent meta-narrative across the different forms of media. So delete as duplicative and as irrelevant trivia. postdlf (talk) 01:35, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, actually they've been pretty good about a coherent metanarrative in the post-Nemesis books, but that's beside the point. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:48, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Even between the novels and the comic books? postdlf (talk) 16:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Can't say I know, but I think that they've been trying. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:12, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- Even between the novels and the comic books? postdlf (talk) 16:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, actually they've been pretty good about a coherent metanarrative in the post-Nemesis books, but that's beside the point. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:48, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Delete. This kind of overly specific detail is better covered by fansites and Star Trek wikis, and it's a redundant content fork of lists that already exist. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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- comment I don't know how an article like this survived 9 years. I would have AFD'ed it a long time ago.--173.75.214.124 (talk) 03:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was Speedily delete. The lack of traceable sources alone might have left a lingering possibility that it was a genuine but totally non-notable film, but the inclusion of a totally spurious "source" removed any such doubt: the article was clearly a hoax. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:53, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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If this film is real, there is no indication it is notable: no coverage in independent reliable sources (the only source given was bogus), no one notable in the production (in fact, only one name is given "George Smith"), etc. I am unable to find any reference to this film, either as "Corner Mission" or "Mission d'angle" (not even IMDb...). I am unable to find any reference to a "Caméra Forte Studios". "George Smith"? Sure, IMDb has over 20 of them...
Probably a hoax (the only edit by the original author is the creation of this article, prod removed by an IP), not notable if not. SummerPhD (talk) 03:47, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. No target to redirect to Guerillero | My Talk 05:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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This does seem to be a cartoon which was broadcast on Italian Cartoon-Network, however I was unable to find any reliable sources that might attest to this subject's notability. Furthermore, the current state of the article (unsorurced, borderline-nonsense) might be a candidate for speedy deletion. Salimfadhley (talk) 13:22, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Redirect - The current article under this name simply fails WP:N but is also a commonly used term for different situations. Computer virus attack, biological virus attack, and a couple of others that seem to be in the disambiguation page of Viral. If you also feel redirect, then there might be a better place to have it point too? - Pmedema (talk) 18:39, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - Virus Attack may be an incorrect translation of the title. The show might have another name in English. Unless there are sources that can attest to the show's notability then deletion is probably the safest bet. --Salimfadhley (talk) 09:19, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Foxit Reader. Guerillero | My Talk 05:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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No indication of notability; the only reference in the article is self-published. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
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Weak DeleteThere are a couple of articles in Chinese that mention the company ([16] and [17]). This first seems press release-y. The second one also seems somewhat like a press release, though it discusses some kind of award for one of their products, Foxit Reader, but I'm not sure that it's a particularly important award. There is a listing from MBDA showing the company won an award for being a "Minority Global Technology Firm" award-- though it tied with another organization. I might be inclined to support keeping the article if there is some more substantial coverage of the company itself. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Their product Foxit Reader is fairly well known. Here are some articles in Chinese on Foxit, in addition to what user (I JethroBT) provided. [18] [19] [20] [21]. Note that the first 3 is about the central Chinese government choosing Foxit software as the designated pdf software provider. The 4th is like a press release, but it also corroborates the fact that the Chinese government procured Foxit Reader from Foxit software. Note that the 3rd one is from Xinhua, the official mouthpiece of the Chinese government. Too bad that the Xinhua website is down for me, so I couldn't get the article, only the google cached version.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.199.240.133 (talk) 16:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. No evidence of notability. Coretheapple (talk) 16:56, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- I dispute this assertion. There are plenty evidence of notability. I understand the english media coverage is spotty other than foxit's own corporate website, but there are plenty of coverage in chinese sources, as shown by the links I have provided throughout this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.199.240.133 (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep - Satisfies WP:GNG with these articles that represent significant coverage from independent and seemingly reliable sources (if someone wants to call them not-reliable, they'll need to back that up): [22][23][24][25]. "No indication of notability" isn't a reason for deletion at WP:AFD which has been clearly explained at WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Simply doing a Google News search for Foxit produced all of these articles. Maybe these references can be disputed when it comes to establishing notability but did any delete !votes even check before !voting? These were as easy to find as it comes. If you found no references, it helps the discussion to show what searches you did that resulted in no references. Otherwise, your !vote is baseless and not very useful. OlYeller21Talktome 05:12, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- @OlYeller21: These sources provide coverage of the product Foxit Reader, for which we already have an article; they do not provide significant coverage about the company. Furthermore, not every manufacturer of a notable product is itself notable. I, JethroBT drop me a line 05:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Alright. Forget everything I said. Apparently I need to get better acquainted with the differences between Foxit and Foxit Reader. OlYeller21Talktome 07:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. Although I have nominated this article for deletion, I believe that a redirect to Foxit Reader should be left. If we had an Articles for Discussion noticeboard I would for that reason have nominated it there instead; but we don't. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Foxit Reader per Justlettersandnumbers. I think given that this is the company's most notable product and the lack of coverage of the company, this woill serve more usefully as a redirect. I, JethroBT drop me a line 15:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- But it is only lack of english coverage though. In Chinese media, there are plenty of mention as shown by the link I have given above. I understand not all people could read Chinese, but a simple google translate can verify what I said. Here are some more news links to verify. All in first page of baidu search. [26][27][28][29][30][31] By the way, these articles are all about the company, and not the software. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.199.240.133 (talk) 16:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Foxit Reader per Justlettersandnumbers. I think given that this is the company's most notable product and the lack of coverage of the company, this woill serve more usefully as a redirect. I, JethroBT drop me a line 15:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. Although I have nominated this article for deletion, I believe that a redirect to Foxit Reader should be left. If we had an Articles for Discussion noticeboard I would for that reason have nominated it there instead; but we don't. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Alright. Forget everything I said. Apparently I need to get better acquainted with the differences between Foxit and Foxit Reader. OlYeller21Talktome 07:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- @OlYeller21: These sources provide coverage of the product Foxit Reader, for which we already have an article; they do not provide significant coverage about the company. Furthermore, not every manufacturer of a notable product is itself notable. I, JethroBT drop me a line 05:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus due to no input other than the nomination, with no prejudice against speedy renomination due to no quorum present. (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000(talk) 17:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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Notability issues were raised in 2011 but not followed up on. I think it's borderline. Weak delete. --Nlu (talk) 17:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 08:27, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
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Non-notable band. Prod has been contested.LionMans Account (talk) 02:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Does not meet any of the criteria of WP:BAND. If the article is somehow kept, it will need almost a complete re-write due to peacock wording, tone, and formatting that isn't consistent with WP's guidelines. Dismas|(talk) 03:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - fails to meet our standards at WP:BAND. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable and promotional in content and tone. JSFarman (talk) 01:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete for all of the reasons mentioned above. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:14, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. I'm happy to userfy if anyone wants to work on the article before filing at deletion review; however, in its current state, the consensus is that the article should be deleted. Daniel (talk) 10:00, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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List of email addresses without reliable source and seemingly without any content of value. Wikipedia is not a directory or the Yellow Pages. Alexf(talk) 01:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete as nom. -- Alexf(talk) 01:22, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- delete - with no prejudice for recreation as a real article about Hindi magazines which could be quite interesting if there are sources. but the current directory is not appropriate and there is nothing in the current article that would be of use in the new article.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep-I will try my best to improve this article. Mala chaubey (talk) 05:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- The title must be more definite (e.g. Hindi magazines in the United States) as well as the scope and the structure of the article. See also WP:L. --Søren 20:15, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep, I want to make correction in this article and to improve. -Mala chaubey (talk) 05:59, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- The proposed target of the merge suffers the exact same issues as this article!-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep. Heavy clean-up will be required but the page seems worth keeping. Rafaelgriffin (talk) 12:11, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- what exactly in the current article could be used in an article that would be an appropriate coverage of the topic? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:18, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: Under a given period if the article is managed well, it will be worth it to keep, or else delete or merge as per the suggestion by Ekabhishek. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:54, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
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A potentially infinite list. There are more cemeteries in a single region of a single state than there are currently on this list for the entire country. This should be left to a category and not a list. Gamaliel (talk) 00:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Per nomination as an indiscriminate and potentially enormous list. A category makes far more sense. A list of cemeteries is inappropriate. Edison (talk) 03:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- keep This would leave the US as the one country of 30 or so major countries that would lack such a list. See Lists of cemeteries. That there might be many items in the list is not a reason to get rid of it, but only a reason to subdivide the list by US state. Hmains (talk) 04:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Most of the items on the list have their own entry and the argument for having the category and not the list fails WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NOTDUP. That said, the notion of limiting the article to only entries that have Wikipedia articles or at least to only include content that is verified would be beneficial. As this list grows, WP:SPINOFF articles can always be created per state, which addresses the notion of it becoming too long. Northamerica1000(talk) 09:53, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Includes many notable cemeteries. Topic is notable per books such as The Last Great Necessity: Cemeteries in American History by David Charles Sloane (Johns Hopkins University Press, 1995); The American Resting Place: 400 Years of History Through Our Cemeteries and Burial Grounds by Marilyn and Reed Yalom (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2008), etc. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Split into individual states? aycliffetalk 12:42, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep or Split per state per arguments above. VMS Mosaic (talk) 13:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- delete Montgomery County, Maryland alone has upward of three hundred known cemeteries [32]; it's a safe guess that the tally for the whole country would head into the hundreds of thousands. The argument that we have these for other countries only proves that they are kept to a reasonable length because nobody here knows enough about them to populate them, which would also be the limiting factor here. The English list in particular is (the creators hope) held to a reasonable length by excluding all churchyards, an arbitrary and questionable cutoff. It's also a problem that the quality of documentation varies wildly from place to place; that map I linked to is a testimony to the thoroughness of county planners, but two other Maryland counties I checked had no similar level of documentation (e.g. there's no way that neighboring Howard County has only twenty-five cemeteries as found listed on one site). I don't see a way to do this that doesn't involve the kind of arbitrary limitation we already see, and indeed I propose that all other comprehensive lists of cemetery-by-place be deleted as well. Mangoe (talk) 15:41, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Is there some reason you think this can't be broken into sub-lists (per state/county)? And/or restricted to notable cemeteries? --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would imagine that lists of notable US cemeteries already exist in the form of subsets of NRHP listings; I could certainly be wrong about that. If lists that contained significantly better information than categories could be constructed, I wouldn't object, but I don't see how any division larger than a state would work, and some states (e.g. NY) might need to be broken down by county. There's also the question of what information to record.
- Is there some reason you think this can't be broken into sub-lists (per state/county)? And/or restricted to notable cemeteries? --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Looking at the construction of this thing already, I see wildly differing levels of detail. Many state section list only name and location; Maryland has blue-linked articles with links to major burials. Montana on the other hand has comprehensive lists for each county e.g. List of cemeteries in Beaverhead County, Montana. If we go the latter route, List of cemeteries in Montgomery County, Maryland gets three hundred-plus entries, impeccably sourced, and it would be possible in some counties, I imagine, to not only source every cemetery but the text of every stone and perhaps even all presently unmarked burials.
- I went along with making list articles of lighthouses in each US state only because it did seem to me that a tabular presentation of the major data was meaningful; the full list of lights for the country has in practice served as a checklist of article to create, and is mostly sourced to lists for each state maintained by the Coast Guard that other sources agree is largely comprehensive if not absolutely perfect. It's also hugely pushing the limits of what can be practically presented in a single list. Here I'm not seeing the same kind of certainty; instead I see a huge difference of opinion as to how much to include. As I said above, I do not believe we can source every state to the extent that apparently is possible in Montana. I could be wrong about that too, of course. But I just do not see the utility of of a unified nationwide list. Mangoe (talk) 19:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per nom- shove all in to a category. -→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 16:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Why is a category better than a list? A category with 1000 entries is just as hard to navigate. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- If the category were to be in alphabetical order it would be a whole lot easier to navigate and alot quicker to load compared to this article. -→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 16:35, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Why is a category better than a list? A category with 1000 entries is just as hard to navigate. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep Ample blue links in the article. This list is useful for navigation. And it doesn't list every single cemetery in the nation, obviously, it list the notable ones. If it doesn't have its own Wikipedia article and isn't on any historic registry, then no reason to have it on the list. Dream Focus 00:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The "infinite" argument fails WP:NOTPAPER and the category argument fails WP:CLN. Andrew (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per Edison, Hmains, Lugnuts, Northamerica1000, and Colapeninsula. Remove the red links (or create artilces on those), and make sub-lists, but don't delete a perfectly useful list. Until very recently, perhaps the last generation, visiting cemetaries in America was a major entertainment. @Davey, some people will likely need to navigate by state. Bearian (talk) 18:49, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep or Split - it's certainly not infinite, but it probably should be split. Greg Bard (talk) 19:34, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, then Split & Specialize - I think a separate list for each state / territory is in order, plus a speciallized list, List of U.S. Veterans Cemeteries. Peaceray (talk) 23:40, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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