Talk:Polish chicken

Polish Origin

The Polish Breeders Club (USA) www.polishbreedersclub.com has posted a rather roughly translated article from the Polish, http://www.polishbreedersclub.com/polandsrespublica.htm (seen Oct 2009), whose original Polish authors mount an impassioned if unfortunately garbled argument in favor of the Polish chicken having originated in the area which is now Poland; granting that other countries later obtained the breed through trade and continued to improve on it. They make a point that fluffy crested chickens were known in the area for centuries, bolster it with romantic Polish poetry from the 1700s, with the dispersal pattern of crested and five-toed fowl across the continent, and some other interesting historical bits. It would be great if someone familiar with the language could get a better translation of the article. It seems as if good sources are needed for the various points of view, ie. did the Polish Chicken originate in Poland, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Russia, or where? --Krnntp (talk) 09:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Polish chicken breed's original 'Polish' name is: Czubatka, and it has been used for centuries by Poles as a name for domestic fowls kept in small type farms scattered all over Polish territories. The Czubatka poultry looked and behaved exactly like contemporary Polish chicken do. The name Czubatka, which in Polish language simply indicates a bird with a tuft of feathers growing on top of the head, has multiple representations in Polish literature and art, and the Czubatka rooster is an iconic image for the country gentleman living on his small farm yard. Unfortunately there are some controversies expressed mostly in English-language circles around the Polish origin of this chicken's breed. It is probable that these doubts arose due to limited access to Polish original sources documenting Polish chickens presence in the history and tradition of Poland. Also, the pronunciation of the Polish's original name: Czubatka may be tough, and this does not help the recognition of the Polish origin. Although questioning is a good practice in general, it may seem a waste of time in the case of Polish chicken's origin. It would be more useful to widely adopt Czubatka as an original name of this birds and learn its original Polish pronunciation instead. (Signing for Kasia Polish)

Your source is just as unclear. It you think that it would be more useful to widely adopt Czubatka as an original name of this birds and learn its original Polish pronunciation instead, that is not a fact but an opinion. You wish that this would be the case. But you can't present this as a fact. Hafspajen (talk) 22:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

O thank you for commenting my post. Hafspajen, nice to have you there on the other side.

Yes, you are right, as a newcomer to wikipedia world, I shouldn't have just expressed my mixed feelings right on the screen. I accept that. This has been corrected and I fully accept why. Yes, I did wish that Czubatka was mentioned in the original article so no-one would need to react as I did - but I wonder why it wasn't that? I also wished the original article was balanced and unbiased and I am going to tell you why later on. All about the fact I have explained can be found in Polish-language sources, and it should be taken as it is, because there are countries in a world, that doesn't speak English, and people usually accept this fact. I have not provided facts, that's true, but I also don't hide behind mysterious ISBN numbers, as in the time of self-publishing anyone can publish whatever they please. What I am saying, is that if you are genuinly interested in examining the truth, you cannot just focus on one side of the story as the author did in the original article. What would you like me to do, Hafspajen, to convince public that Czubatka existence is a fact? The breed has been standardized in Netherlands - OK, and Poland had at that time turbulent history and maybe branding one of the breeds which was kept on Polish territory for ages wasn't Poland's priority then? Well, but the author od=f the article is very keen o gear up hi/her thesis just based on the fact, that the Netherlands had standardized the breed first. I mean: it is childish! And the fact, that the bird was standardized in Netherlands shouldn't be taken as an evidence that Netherlands is it's country of origin - which has been already stated in the page legend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_(chicken)

If the author of this article, was more keen on keeping to just the facts and not only some facts, he or she should probably manage to avoid some quite offensive suggestions i the text. Please note, that there are people out there who speak English, and who hardly accept the situation, where one post is being tagged as 'controversy', whereas the rest of the article about Polish chicken on Wikipedia (in every paragraph there) is full of controversial, unbalanced, unjust if not just biased statements. Examples:

1. General; The English language name of these birds is a misnomer, as they do not' originate in the country of Poland. Great! Mastepiece! I wonder, how the author of this post can be so sure that the name is misnomer ???? How do you know that it does not originate in Poland??? What the certainty come from that the breed comes form Netherlands. I believe, That this statement is also a personal opinion, and to be honest, it wouldn't triggered my strong emotional reaction, if it wasn't that! Next:

2. : The origin of the Polish's name are about as murky as the beginnings of the breed itself, and look, what is that! : It also could have descended from the Middle Dutch word pol, meaning "head" (see Redpoll).[4] Next masterpiece. I have been for 20 years an advertising copywriter, and in my whole carier I have rarly seen similar gems of manipulation. Look at it the other way: if someone would keep the Sussex hens in his backyard in Polish village named Sasek, would that be a reason for finding a historical evidence for suggesting this breed origin and linking that Sussex breed to that particular Polish cuntry town? It would be rather ridiculous - wouldn't it? It is not serious and I regret that I have ever read it in wikipedia. Next paragraph:

3. The breed: The derivation of the Polish chicken breed is unclear. It didn’t originate in Poland; Well again, if it is unclear, how can you be so sure, that it didn't originate in Poland????

4. History: Though the origins of the breed are unclear, one theory suggests that the ancestors of the Polish were brought by Asian Mongols to Eastern Europe during medieval times. I see that someone has a personal problem and is biased against any idea or thought including Poland as a country of origin of there bird. I don't know why is that, I am afraid I hardly find myself curious why someone would be that, but look here, even when mentioning a theoretical suggestion, that these birds might come from country other then (yes! Netherlands!), the author is rubbing off the Poland name making it sound just as an undefined place: Eastern Europe (which is actually not a place on an official map - off course) - pathetic, really disgusting. I mean, it would be funny, if that could be found on a private blog, but wikipedia is a public place where one should try to keep balance. I see that whoever it was, the author of this article had problem with the Polish breed Polish origin and that the Polish origin would seem so unconceivable to him/her, that he/she put lots of efforts to question it at every chance 9 in some paragraphs it happens more that once!) I think, that someone has problem here, and that my 'controversy' - tagged post has no chance to balance that official and very partial content!

I am disappointed. I believe, that Wikipedia should be a place for balanced presentation, and the author whoever he/she was, I hope it is not you Hafspajen, are welcome to have a closer look at the original article and in his/her motivation behind producing such an offensive piece of copy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.193.44.53 (talk) 00:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

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Broody or not?

The intro section says that these chickens don't go broody, but then the "Additional" section says they are broody from Feb. to July. Which is it? (And can the "Additional" section be renamed or merged into some other section? It's not a descriptive subject heading.) Aardnavark (talk) 12:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Polish are generally not broody. I'll fix it. Steven Walling 20:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Aardnavark (talk) 23:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Use of regional slang

What does 'act out' mean? This term is not understood by British/international English speakers. Is it American slang? If so it is inappropriate for an article of global interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkRibbands (talk • contribs) 09:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)