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Welcome!

Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go Gerda Girl

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

nice edit notice ;)

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
peace GA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Some baklava for you!

I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with Andy first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hope is precious and great joy is found in living

Thank you for the sapphire—cornflower blue is a color of some significance to me. In the maelstrom that Wikipedia can sometimes be, remember these words from Ode to Joy: 

   Wem der große Wurf gelungen,
   Eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
   Wer ein holdes Weib errungen,
   Mische seinen Jubel ein!
   Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
   Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
   Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
   Weinend sich aus diesem Bund!

Walk lightly and remain yourself, above the fray. →StaniStani  09:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, it helps to open my shop again. - I sang the words last year, here, helping. The blue colour is also of significance to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
shop open --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yay  :-)     — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Writer's Barnstar
Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, is greatly appreciated. Thank you Gerda. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

Both a flower and a sapphire....
The Teamwork Barnstar
Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, are greatly appreciated. Hafspajen (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, both, you excellent writing team, - guess what, I even started attacked a Magnificat today, or should I say four? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The 100 DYK Nomination Medal

The One Hundred DYK Nomination Medal
Gerda, to mark this new milestone. "Light as a flight of tumbling birds was the dipping and soaring of her syllables." Moonraker (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations, Gerda! Chris Troutman (talk) 01:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
HOORAY! Way to go! Montanabw(talk) 03:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
thank you, in light flight, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well done!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations. Oh, my gosh. You were really working. I think I am at my 5th... Hafspajen (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think you read that wrong, it's for nominations for others, something I am really proud of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, I meant what i said Hafspajen (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You meant you are at your 5th nomination for someone else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

FA congratulations

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. BencherliteTalk 10:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, your comment makes me even prouder! Date for this one: the centenary of the first performance is 20 May, but it was written for Pentecost, performed on various dates whenever that was. It would make more sense to me to have it on Pentecost, 8 June, nothing pending yet. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. We might have a religious weekend with Wells Cathedral the previous day to mark the new bishop's enthronement. BencherliteTalk 10:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
May I add my warm congratulations, dear Gerda? Excellent news, and thoroughly merited. Tim riley (talk) 10:29, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Tim, for support in general and diligent spotchecks, unafraid of German, in particular, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can I add my congrats to the above? A thoroughly deserved and welcome addition to our FAs! - SchroCat (talk) 09:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, thank you for good ideas in the peer review, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FOUR for Erschallet, ihr Lieder

Four Award
Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:55, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:55, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Jauchzet, frohlocket! Loud cheers. Tim riley (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hooray! Montanabw(talk) 18:15, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I wanted to thank everyone in the great team to achieve this individually, but do it here, going on vacation, with sporadic access, - take care! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats on getting this article through FA and a well-deserved FOUR award...just to let you know, you can put a little top icon for FA, GA, and Four on your user page by posting somewhere on your user page:

  • For the FA star: {{FA user topicon|article_name=Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172|date=13 March 2014|icon_nr=1}}
  • For the FOUR award: {{Top icon|imagename=Four Award.svg|wikilink=Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172|description=This user earned a Four Award for work on Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172.|icon_nr=1}}

Just don't forget to change the "icon_nr=" parameter as needed. Good Job, Gerda. I very much enjoy your continued work on the Bach Werke and other musical gems.--ColonelHenry (User:Gerda Arendt/ColonelHenry|talk) 22:04, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I will have one top icon, like a friend in the group "who have just given up", - all FAs are mentioned below, some in the infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:54, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Gerda, you are one of the very few people who have reached this milestone. Thank you for your tireless contributions to Wikipedia and the DYK project! -Zanhe (talk) 06:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats!

Congrats on your TFA....and the FA as well. Well done! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, pure pleasure! Looking forward to "your" station! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

José Carlos Cocarelli

Hi Gerda. I was wondering why such an obviously virtuoso pianist has so little coverage these days, despite being relatively young as pianists go. Perhaps you were too? I found his official YouTube channel. It has no videos on it (although others have uploaded some old ones to their channels). Anyhow, he did have a comments section where someone in France, who had heard him play years ago and greatly admired him, asked when he would be performing again there. Cocarelli replied [1]:

"Je vous remercie pour ce souvenir heureux pour vous et pour moi. Malheureusement les concerts ce n'est plus d'actualité, du moins tant que je traînerai des troubles neurologiques qui me handicapent sévèrement dans ma mobilité et au piano. Je vis en France, en Sarthe, où j'enseigne le piano dans deux petites écoles de musique (dans mon état, impossible d'envisager une place dans un conservatoire). Vous souhaitant Bonne continuation. Merci encore!"
(Thank you for this happy memory, for both you and me. Unfortunately, concerts are no longer possible now that I suffer from neurological disorders that severely handicap my mobility and my ability to play the piano. I live in France, Sarthe, where I teach piano in two small music schools (in my condition, it is impossible to imagine a place in a conservatory). Wishing you good luck. Thank you again!)

How sad! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sad. Thank you for coming over to tell me! Happy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sweet Woman.

Hope you and yours are doing well. Hugs always, — Ched :  ?  15:08, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

With you appearing, I am better, compared to the sadness on top. Believe it or not, there is more peace now in infobox topics ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Surreal Barnstar
In belated response to your efforts at Franz Kafka, my favourite author, and also for your kindness in telling other editors (i.e. me) that they are valued, I grant you this barnstar! Thanks very much for doing what you do. RGloucester — ☎ 02:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mouvements d'Harmonie

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC) 12:03, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much

Your message cheered up the morning. Was wondering if you were interested in an RfA. If yes, would be a pleasure nominating you. Wifione Message 15:49, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! About a nomination: it's an honour, but read a few messages around here first. The best answer was by Dr. Blofeld ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, have read the whole thread. My view is different; there are many content writers who ensure they take up only those administrative areas that are related to content writing and that don't take away the pleasure of/from volunteering. And I would recommend you go for the RfA. If you're on for it, I'll continue on email. If not, no issues. Best regards. Wifione Message 08:37, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ernst Roth

Grave of Ernst Roth (1896-1971) in Twickenham Cemetery, London, UK.

Hi Gerda. That photo of Ernst Roth's gravestone is now uploaded. I've put a thumbnail here. You may want to crop it down a bit before using in an article. Please use as you see fit, and apologies for taking so long to get round to uploading it. Not quite eight months, but still a long time. Hopefully better late than never. Carcharoth (talk) 00:04, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

. . ...
colourful image in hope
last song of silence

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For the Muse Of Music, Gerda

Present for you

Hafspajen (talk) 08:36, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, thank you, dreaming of improving Magnificat next, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your Traum choice is on his way to be an exiting thing. (Too..) Hafspajen (talk) 11:01, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Even more lovely, I read the nomination and was quite moved about the mention of Sanddunes Sunset, - you may know that my never-to-be-changed user pic is named Sanddunes Sunrise. Look at the links to the image ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, nice, no? Any interest in writing up an article on it? Move in harmony... Hafspajen (talk) 11:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Interested yes, time no, many other projects. Start a stub, that's what I do these days, started in March with women, several that need to filled. The Magnificat needs a lot more attention before we perform 3 October, hopefully in harmony ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Palmsunday, what do they try to put up on the File:Waldmüller - Palmsonntag.jpeg ceiling? Is this some local thing? Hafspajen (talk) 13:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
On Palm Sunday, Palmzweige are blessed at churches, taken to homes and placed somewhere visible, typically adorning a Crucifix. They can be really from palms (how do you call them, leaves?) or - more often - green branches, most often evergreen Buchsbaum, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for José Carlos Cocarelli

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How to come close

to God

Hafspajen (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Singing seems lighter ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Anton Bruckner

Hi Gerda,

See my reply on Template talk:Anton Bruckner‎. What do you think?

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:48, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Storace

Thanks for the encouraging click! Opus33 (talk) 18:01, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like to read the period recognition of artists! - You would have liked the concert I just heard: Murray Perahia and the Academy in Beethoven's fifth piano concerto at the Kurhaus Wiesbaden, Perahia's debut at the Rheingau Musik Festival, - standing ovations for a quite lyrical inspired performance. - Recommended listening: an interview with him, about his relationship to Benjamin Britten. - Will be away for rehearsals for most of the weekend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
<expresses envy> Opus33 (talk) 23:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An invitation to join WikiProject Women writers

Hello Gerda Arendt! We are looking for editors to join WikiProject Women writers, an outreach effort which aims at improving articles about women writers on Wikipedia. We thought you might be interested, and hope that you will join us. Thank you!

--Rosiestep (talk) 15:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Lives of a Bengal Lancer

Lieber freund, since I was kind enough to review your Traum durch die Dämmerung would you review my Lives of a Bengal Lancer? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 18:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, but I don't do GA reviews, for language reasons, - peer reviews and FA reviews yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Se does it again...

Dear Gerda.

Nikkimaria has again removed substantiated data that I had put in the Intermezzo because Hans Roelofs's discography would be "out of date". See Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)#Discography. Please give advice, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Few infoboxes have recording information, - I pick my "battles" ;) - More important to have an infobox for the Rondo and Ecce sacerdos magnus, - I can't help with that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Time to start accumulating a list of articles where she is removing sources. I can't keep track of them all. Then ping me with the list. Montanabw(talk) 19:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In this case, it seems that using the info as a reference instead of an external link would help. For infoboxes, see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
She has now replaced the discography I had put for the Intermezzo by another. On which base? Is she a Bruckner specialist? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I am not good in mindreading. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Assume she is not. Restore the material, add to it and if she deletes, just do exatly the same thing she does - don't do a straight revert, revert with continued improvements. Montanabw(talk) 05:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See my mea culpa on the talk page of the Intermezzo - Nobody is infallible! As integer scientist and physician I always admit my mistakes and revert them - and my updates on the page Intermezzo. Are there OK for you? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:11, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Don't ask ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See the last content of the talk pages of the Rondo and the Intermezzo. I think it is no more manageable without a mediation. What do you mind? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Read letting go ..., a good poem, by Poeticbent ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:02, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rondo

A merge proposal could win consensus if the main article had more discussion of the other movements, so it stayed balanced. I like infoboxes. This article is part of a series, and readers should get a consistent experience. See Help:Infobox – "The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article." The "main editor" does not have any special say. I am not qualified to judge the sources. I am generally suspicious of websites, but they may be good. I would not remove citations of sources that seem reliable. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This

Two Men Contemplating the Moon

Precious

Thank you, Gerda Arendt, for appreciating the contributions from a little gnome. It encourages to continue. Thank you. Lotje (talk) 06:22, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gnome myself ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Selection of a discography

Hi Gerda,

As you know Nikki remains stiff-necked and does not accept my argumentation about the selection of a discography. A real dialogue of the deaf...

See my last reply concerning the selected discography on Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner), subsection "How does a work / performance get notability?" and the comments I have put about the Discography on Talk:Vexilla regis (Bruckner), Talk:Virga Jesse (Bruckner), Talk:Locus iste and Talk:Ecce sacerdos magnus (Bruckner).

Till a consensus is achieved I will not amend the discography, but put my comments on the talk pages, so that other users can react.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:27, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good approach. Please add to Locus iste, - it's a start, no more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Am I allowed to add {{WikiProject Christianity|class=start|importance=low}}? Please let me know it. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? I am not the one to allow or not ;) - There are many articles to which you could add that, including many of Bach's works. For 3 or more projects, consider to use {{bannershell}}, for example on the talk of Graham Waterhouse. You could also add the infobox on the talk of BWV 138 to the article, if you agree with me that it improves Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:33, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As proposed I have added the banner "Christianity" to the other motets.
In the meantime I have also found another motet Afferentur regi, to which I have also put a banner and added a suggestion for the discography.
I have added it to {{Anton Bruckner}}, putting the motets in chronological order. If more pages for the motets are created in the future, a subsection "motets" could then also be created within {{Anton Bruckner}}. I have put the till now 5 motets into a new subcategory Motets by Anton Bruckner. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Consider to write some yourself. Minimum standard should be a lik to the score and a translation of the title. (I added those to the ones I accidentally discovered when I looked for a link to Virga Jesse floruit.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]


I will do it. For your info, herewith my own selection of the Motets ('faithful' recordings in chronological order):

  1. Pange lingua (1. Fassung), WAB 31 – H. Baumgartner (YouTube). No other recording available
  2. Libera me (I), WAB 21 – T. Kerbl
  3. Asperges me, WAB 4 – N. Tanaka (Bruckner Archive). No other recording available
  4. Asperges me (äolisch), WAB 3.1 – E. Ortner
  5. Asperges me F-Dur, WAB 3.2 – G.M. Cavallo (YouTube, with a lot of noise). Other 'faithful' recording: N. Tanaka (Bruckner Archive)
  6. Tantum Ergo D-Dur, WAB 32 – E. Ortner
  7. Tantum Ergo A-Dur, WAB 43 – J. Brown
  8. Dir, Herr, dir will ich mir ergeben, WAB 12 – T. Kerbl
  9. O du liebes Jesu Kind, WAB 145 – R. Frieberger
  10. Herz-Jesu-Lied, WAB 144 – T. Kerbl
  11. Vier Tantum Ergo (1. Fassung), WAB 41 – T. Kerbl
  12. Tantum ergo D-Dur (1. Fassung), WAB 42 – T. Kerbl
  13. Zwei Aequale, WAB 114 & 149 – E. Ortner
  14. In jener letzten der Nächte (1. Fassung), WAB 17 – R. Frieberger
  15. In jener letzten der Nächte (2. Fassung), WAB 17 – T. Kerbl
  16. Zwei Totenlieder, WAB 47-48 – D. Ferguson
  17. Libera me (II), WAB 22 – M. Best
  18. Tantum Ergo B-Dur, WAB 44 – T. Kerbl
  19. Ave Maria (I), WAB 5 – P. Fiala
  20. Ave Maria (II), WAB 6 – E. Ortner
  21. Afferentur regi, WAB 1 – E. Ortner
  22. Pange lingua (phrygisch), WAB 33 – E. Ortner
  23. Inveni David, WAB 19 – M. Flämig
  24. Iam lucis orto sidere (mixed), WAB 18 – R. Jones
  25. Locus iste, WAB 23 – E. Ortner
  26. Christus factus est (II), WAB 10 – R. Luna
  27. Tota pulchra es, WAB 46 – E. Ortner
  28. Os Justi (+ Versus-Choral), WAB 30 – D. Ferguson
  29. Ave Maria (III), WAB 7 – R. Frieberger
  30. Christus factus est (III), WAB 11 – E. Ortner
  31. Salvum fac populum, WAB 40 – R. Jones
  32. Veni creator, WAB 50 – J. Brown
  33. Ecce sacerdos, WAB 13 – P. Fiala
  34. Virga Jesse, WAB 52 – E. Ortner
  35. Iam lucis orto sidere (3. Fassung), WAB 18 – D. Ferguson
  36. Ave regina caelorum, WAB 8 – R. Shewan
  37. Vier Tantum Ergo (2. Fassung), WAB 41 – P. Fiala
  38. Tantum ergo D-Dur (2. Fassung), WAB 42 – E. Ortner
  39. Pange lingua (2. Fassung), WAB 31 – J. Brown
  40. Vexilla regis, WAB 51 – E. Ortner

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Model

Many thanks! It means a lot to me, especially coming from such a well-respected editor. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 19:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

I've been offline for a few days and when I logged back in this evening I found this. Thank you for recognizing my work. I appreciate it. --SkotyWATC 04:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

italics

No, Madamina, il catalogo è questo, not Madamina, il catalogo è questo, see examples in WP:NCM#Definitions - italics (...again...). --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I did it wrong since 2010 then, when we discussed BWV 191, first no italics, changed to italics, which became a model for the later cantatas. - FA reviewers also kept the italics in BWV 172, in 2014. ??? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Magnificat isn't an easy one. Anyhow, I like it better the way it is done at Magnificat (Schütz) than the way it is done at Magnificat (Pärt).

The general point I'd try to make however is that neither you nor I are native English speakers. We don't have a natural feeling on how it is done from education etc. So we'd need to see a lot, read a lot, compare a lot. Then take into account that even English speakers may differ, even more than is apparent from WP:ENGVAR. And what I do (as I've been active on some naming conventions guidelines) is to try derive some coherent guidance from that.

After I had rewritten the WP:NCM guideline I discovered the War Requiem vs. Missa Brevis difference on the Boosey & Hawkes website. Well, happy that I apparently got it right.

I'm not completely sure about Magnificat/Magnificat. For the last half hour I've been googeling (also google books), and really seems like people who write about these compositions in English don't have a consistent view on this. Of course I'd do Deutsches Magnificat (non-generic) but Magnificat as a separate composition appears both italiced and not italicized. But then I found Missa brevis too. I'd keep to "Magnificat" as a generic composition title (like "Missa brevis") for now, not italicized. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for investigating! I like Magnificat better than Magnificat, but my personal liking is not enough of a reason. I read and compared and saw that we have Magnificat, and copied from there. I also remember some rule/guideline (forgot where) to italicise all foreign language terms that are no proper names. I wonder about Italian aria titles being "proper names", and kind of liked tonus peregrinus, separating it visually from the preceding link. Missa brevis (a common term describing a type of compositions), Missa Brevis (a single work), I would say. Magnificat is borderline, because - like Requiem - it's a Latin incipit which became an English term for a type. Can you talk to the Magnificat people? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(e.c.) An article title that has similar issues is Stabat Mater: here the main article is not italicized (unlike Magnificat). For the compositions, I like it better the way it is done at Stabat Mater (Dvořák) than the way it is done at Stabat Mater (Pergolesi), but with the same caveat: I have no native speaker feeling on this.

Yes, I'd like it to be more uniform across Wikipedia, but don't know whether I can help it much.

Re. Magnificat being a proper name: yes it is a proper name. I read the proper name guidance too (it is here), yesterday, after I had de-italicized tonus peregrinus. That foreign words/proper name guidance seems like the sort of unhelpful vagueness we don't need right now. But true, I was too quick on tonus peregrinus.
I'm not going to challenge Boosey and Hawkes on Britten's Missa Brevis not being italicized.
Don't know whether the "incipit" reasoning is of value here. Might be. I'll try to explore that route.
Magnificat people? --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:27, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Boosey and Hawkes are accustomed to a capital Brevis, even for the type, but I am not going to challenge them ;) (We don't go by what publishers do, anyway, or we would have A Boy was Born.) Magnificat people? Sloppy for the talk of Magnificat. I would like to know why they have it italic because I like consistency. Nunc dimittis? Stabat Mater? Trickier than Magnificat, because you don't recognize it easily in text, being more than one word. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Incipit reasoning:

For comparison, encyclicals like Rerum Novarum are named after their incipit too, and italicized.

Nonetheless, I'd have it something like "Composition titles that are incipits and have been put to music by several composers are usually regarded as generic titles, and so not italicized" + some relevant examples in the WP:NCM guideline. What do you think? --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. Would you see Nunc dimittis in that category. It's easy to see (as a title) when linked, but not in text. Can we perhaps distinguish lists, tables, infoboxes - no italics necessary - from text where optional italics might help understanding? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From the Nunc Dimittis article: "The Nunc Dimittis is the traditional 'Gospel Canticle' of Night Prayer (Compline), just as Benedictus and Magnificat are the traditional Gospel Canticles of Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer respectively. ..." Seems like the article title is not in line with how it is done in the article itself. I'd do Nunc dimittis (Pärt), not Nunc dimittis (Pärt) like it is now. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:10, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The article has strange italics and a strange capitalisation of dimittis ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I adjusted the incipt rule:

Composition titles that are incipits and have been put to music by several composers are usually regarded as generic names, and so not italicized, e.g. Stabat Mater (Dvořák), unless the composition belongs to an otherwise defined composition type like cantata, e.g. Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1.

...but here's an angle I hadn't expected:

...? --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:27, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Compare:

--Francis Schonken (talk) 10:31, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The two Magnificat by Bach should be handled the same, it's the same music, more or less. It's not a Bach cantata in the sense of liturgical use after the sermon, but a cantata by the definition of what constitutes a cantata. Until yesterday, the piece in D was termed a motet, highly misleading. Let's say "Magnificat" - like Requiem - is almost a composition type itself, unless part of a larger piece, such as a vesper.
Side question: I am never sure if the parts of the mass (Kyrie, Gloria, ...) should be italic. What do you suggest? They are all just one word, recognizable as a title without italics. BWV 191 reminds me that I should link to Bach's Latin more ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at Bach's church music in Latin and corrected some and introduced a bit of feeling for the chronology: first ambitious Magnificat, late and unique Mass in B minor. I am not happy with the cantata and the Mass under the (too long) "parts of mass" heading, will look again later but perhaps you have ideas already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Re. former missa (Bach) article, yes my conversion to make it fit under the new page title was all but complete. For me too when I've some more time I'd be happy to collaborate, can still be improved further I think. Problems are for instance that the "Sanctus for six vocal parts and elaborate orchestral score for the Christmas service" of 1724, later incorporated in BWV 232, doesn't seem to have a separate BWV number, though the 1724 score has differences with what was added in BWV 232 quarter of a century later.
Kyrie, Gloria, as parts of the Order of Mass: not italicized; as separate compositions (see Vivaldi example above): not capitalized for the incipit exception. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kitten for you!

Sending love to Gerda! Did you see my first FA? :-) Also, since you like humourous Wikipedia, did you get to see this one: Meta:Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles. :-) Cheers!

Prhartcom (talk) 23:53, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Good to start the day laughing. (Yesterday was a funeral day.) Lovely FA! I had my first solo also this year. When would you like yours to appear? WP:QAI can help with it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your welcome a few days ago...

Hi Gerda. Thanks for your welcome a few days ago... and for your advice about patience. Yes. Patience is good. Luckily I am patient... with myself as well as with others. (Since I know what a clunk-head I can be, I sympathize when other people are clunk-heads too.) Anyway, I've been moving along with learning how to edit, and I've enjoyed spending time on Wikipedia. DimeBoxFrank (talk) 08:18, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to catch a glimpse at how I learned patience, look at the talk of Carmen, where I suggested something in June 2013 which was done 15 months later (while I did nothing) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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(talk / contribs) 12:52, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Leoš Janáček
Composer
Janáček relief, by Julius Pelikán
Born
Leo Eugen Janáček

(1854-07-03)3 July 1854
Hukvaldy, Moravia, then part of the Austrian Empire
Died12 August 1928(1928-08-12) (aged 74)
Ostrava, Czech Republic
Notable workList of compositions
Signature

I helped to compile the article on Janáček, so I'm curious ... and I can accept criticism :) --Vejvančický

The compilation is great, I would criticise just the lead, and it's not your fault, it's the general layout. I think that a reader first should know that the person pictured with a woman is a composer, and about what time, - only then details of pronunciation, alternate names. There's an easy solution, but not liked by Classical music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. I don't fight the "infobox battle". Honestly, I have no opinion on that. Both ways work for me and for any intelligent person, I believe. When I look at the article it is clear to me in 1 or 2 seconds what it is about, with the infobox or without it. Thanks for your explanation, Gerda. With my best wishes - Antonín Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't fight any battle, but for me a listing with parameters is just easier to grasp. Look at Genghis Khan, - the lead is even more complicated, with Mongolian that doesn't show, but oe glance to the right tells me something. I will have to understand why for composers that is not offered for people like me. Those who don't like it could opt out even to see it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Reversion of my edit to Bach Cantata title "Da(r)zu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes", BWV 40

Hello Gerda. I'm unclear on why you just reverted my edit to this title, which I explained both in the edit itself and on the talk page. Only wikipedia has this usual spelling. "Darzu" is meaningless, at least in Modern High German. Every other online source I found uses "Dazu". Please explain.

Jrgsf 20:23, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

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