Talk:Halo (franchise)

Missing links

The box at the end of the page is missing any refrence to Halo`s Heroclix and Actionclix ranges. Could this be added?

-Kelly (24/10/14) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.168.99.120 (talk) 13:11, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Cultural influences section: "Armor" by Robert Stately... or John Steakley?

The current issue of Edge contains a retrospective article on Halo: CE. In it, Bungie's Jaime Griesemer talks about the game's development. I've already changed this article to mention his acknowledgement of Christopher Rowley's influence on the Flood, and after posting this message here, I'm going to add his description of how the "Combat Evolved" sibtitle came about to Halo: Combat Evolved#Development.

He supports the statements in the already-referenced IGN article about the influence of Iain M Banks (specifically mentioning his Consider Phlebas) and Larry Niven (he elaborates on that, explaining that that Niven's influence was less about the Ringworld itself, and more about "that feeling of being somewhere else. That sense of scale and an epic story going on out there").

However, he also says: "One of the main sources of inspiration was Armour by Robert Stately, in which a soldier has to constantly re-live the same war over and over again. That sense of hopelessness, a relentless battle, was influential."

I wanted to add that to this article - after all, he does says it's "One of the main sources of inspiration". But Googling for it, there doesn't seem to be any such novel or short story! The closest thing I've been able to find is Armor by John Steakley - which is a fairly similar name to Stately, so you can see how he might have got it mixed up. And from the descriptions of the plot in those Amazon reviews it does sound like the right book. But since I can't be sure, I thought I'd mention it here rather than going ahead and adding it myself. So, if this is added to the article, how should it be worded? Mentioning the "Steakley" name in the main text, and using the footnote to explain that in the Edge article itself he was mistaken about the name and said "Stately"? --Nick R^Talk 18:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, that's tricky... I honestly am not sure. If it were a transposed letter I would just have put a {sic} and been done with it, but that's a pretty big jump in names (of course, it make be less Griesemer misspeaking than Edge misquoting.) Either way it's original research to suggest what he meant, so unfortunately I think we'll have to leave it out. If you haven't already, though, adding a bit about the Flood to the relevant article would be great. Thanks for the find! Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 16:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I've just done quite a bit of rewording of this section, after coming across Bungie's own "Guide to Sci-Fi" page - I felt that that should be the most prominently-referenced source in this section. I did end up adding that mention of Armor, partly because it was mentioned once on that Bungie page - but although I quoted Griesemer's comments in Edge, I corrected the author's name by placing it in square brackets to make my editing clear. I also split off the mention of The Escapist's Aeneid article into its own paragraph, because that one's mythology rather than science fiction. --Nick R^Talk 19:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bob99099, 4 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} In the "Games" section I believe it should not say that the game series is still in chronological order because the release of Halo 3: ODST, and the future release of Halo Reach. The reason for this is because the information you have is outdated.

Bob99099 (talk) 01:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide a reliable source so we can update it? —fetch·comms 02:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Would the declaration of Halo Reach being a prequel on the official site suffice? 217.39.13.34 (talk) 13:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 84.59.63.105, 13 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Replace "Oribital Drop Shock Trooper" with "Orbital Drop Shock Trooper" -84.59.63.105 (talk) 18:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

done. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Please spell out "IP"

Under the "A sequel to Halo 3 Confirmed" section it says "...was working on a brand new IP." Please spell out IP for those who don't know what that means (me). --Yoda of Borg (talk) 22:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

It means "intellectual property". However the section it was in was utter bs, so I've blanked it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 15:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Small typo

I noticed the first sentence in the third paragraph says "Strong sales of the games has led to...". It should be "Strong sales of the games have led to...", since the object of the sentence is plural. just thought you guys might appreciate a heads up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.244.135 (talk) 03:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for the notice. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 04:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Update?

Can we update sales/reception to put Reach in as well? Thephatphilmz (talk) 20:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Halo Waypoint

Don't you think Halo Waypoint should re-direct to 343 Industries instead of the development section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NexCarnifex (talk • contribs) 13:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm still not convinced 343 Industries deserves its own page, considering it hasn't actually produced a game and right now exists more as an IP holder than anything else. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 13:41, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

It certainly does, and by any logic, regardless it does more than 90% of the other Wikipedia articles. They are well established, and have videos coming out on Xbox live talking about they're future projects and current ones like the map pack. You even see their logo in the corner, they're more legit than all these webcomic pages, that's for sure. Were talking about triple A games. Nex Carnifex (talk) 20:04, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a valid reason for keeping things. How exactly are they notable outside of Microsoft itself? While they are supporting a game they haven't produced or developed any of the triple A games you speak of. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 20:21, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: 343 DID produce a game, its called halo anniv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L0FLow (talk • contribs) 03:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

logo

The logo in this article is horribly photoshoped. Nex Carnifex (talk) 15:46, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

halopedia?

we should add an external link to halo.wikia.com

just sort of makes sense, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJLO (talk • contribs) 02:14, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:External links cites valid links as "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues". Halopedia might be useful for directing interested readers to cruft not suitable for a general reference work, but it has far less critical information on the Halo series itself. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 20:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

well, i think someone coming to wikipedia for halo information would be very pleased to be directed to a wiki specifically for halo. so thats dumb. but whatev — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJLO (talk • contribs) 02:34, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

? Halopedia is actually one of the worse places to go for the info last time I went on almost everything was wrong 50.98.122.61 (talk) 08:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

references

anyone think there should be something about the references to kenya? (Voi, Zanzibar, Tasavo highway, Mombasa) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.87.80.170 (talk) 01:14, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Why, exactly? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 03:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Halo nation

On the intro it mentions that the fan community is referred to as "Halo Nation" none of the 2 references provide any information about it and the only thing that I found doing a very fast google search referenced the wikia site. So it should be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laqa18 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Halo 4

Someone want to add a section about halo 4? (was just annouced at e3) not a whole lot of info at the moement so I'd hold off giving it it's own page just yet. See This page for confirmation the games being made.--Blood Panther (talk) 20:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Halo 4, 5 and 6

Just announced today at E3, someone please add them. They are made by 343 Industries. 99.240.231.32 (talk) 20:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Halo Wars?

I saw a movie called Halo Wars,can some one create a page for it or something. comment added by 98.71.63.39 (talk) 18:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

There is no movie called Halo Wars, only a game. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 11:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

That is weird It had flood,a different AI,and it didn't look fan made,how about Halo Wars: Genesis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.44.144.190 (talk) 15:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Halo Wars: Genesis is a comic book. You've probably seen cinematics from Halo Wars. If it's not on List of Halo media it probably doesn't exist. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 16:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Old logo

When I used to visit the page, the logo used for Halo 1, 2, 3, Wars and ODST appeared in the info box but has now been rightly replaced with the current logo used for Halo: Reach and Halo 4. However I believe the old logo should also appear at some point in the article. However the file no longer exists. Could someone please upload the logo? TurboGUY (talk) 22:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure such an old image would have a defensible rationale per WP:NFCC. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 20:03, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm just going to go ahead and say I have no idea what you're talking about. TurboGUY (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Unless there was specific critical commentary about the old logo's design, etc., we can't include it as part of the WMF's emphasis on free content (non-free exemptions being bound by WP:NFCC.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 13:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I think more people associate the old logo used in Halo 1,2,3,ODST and Wars with Halo than the new simplified logo which haven't even been used in a game yet. If not appearing at the top, it should do so later in the article. http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Halo+logo&gbv=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi Here is a link for those who can't see the difference between teh two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.180.171 (talk) 16:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

It's been used on all the novel reissues, as well as Reach, so your statement isn't really accurate. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 17:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

The Reach logo isn't the same as the current Halo logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.180.171 (talk) 14:19, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Halo 4

Could you mention something about the new halo 4 teaser in the STORY paragraph. If you havent seen the trailer/teaser it should be on youtube... but it shows cortana and master chief on the back of the ship where master chief is frozen , directly interpreted from the Halo 3 legendary ending. But on this trailer he breaks out of the freeze cylo to the voice of cortana caling for him. Thanks anyway. Cameron (New Zealand) Big halo fan. 14:56, 9 July 2011 (local time) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.74.227.209 (talk)

There's next to no verifiable plot information to mention at this time. The trailer may or may not be indicative of anything in the final game. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 16:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

We have got to start updating things outside of the games...specifically Comics/Novels.

I was disturbed at the lack of pages in regards to the novels past Contact Harvest, it all jsut redirects to the Halo franchise page with barely any info other than release dates and minimal plot. Also the lack of mentions for the comics reduced to skim mentioned on the franchise page instead of full out pages for each. It's a bit disturbing. I'll try and rectify this myself but I'd like to note this for people who edit this page in the future - Asian Inferno (talk) 07:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

As mentioned on Talk:List of Halo media, not all Halo articles, topics and media deserve their own pages. The Cole Protocol and Cryptum, for example, thus far have not generated enough reviews from importance sources to justify their existence, and even the other Halo novels are pretty scant on this detail as well. While this page does need to be updated to mention more about the various adaptations, that doesn't extend to article creation as far as I can tell. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 18:48, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

That seems to make some sense, although while I agree "Cole Protocol" and "Contact Harvest" may not warrant an article the "Forerunner Trilogy" and upcoming "Post-Halo 3 Trilogy" will deal with events related to the game more importantly than the others mentioned. The former being an expansion to the Terminals the latter a continuation of events from "Ghost of Onyx". But I'll hold off to just updating for now... - Asian Inferno (talk) 19:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Halo Megastructures NOT habitable

I don't think the general information should include the fact that the Halo Megastructures are habitable. You can only walk on them, not live on them as there is no food on them and you would get destroyed if you tried to live there. There are no beds on it and there is no oxygen and it is 0 degrees celcius.

Sincerely,

JH - Aged 11 years, Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.34.222 (talk) 05:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

no oxygen? then how do they breath and yes you can live on Halo and you dont need beds to live and their is water and food play the games (p.s plant life can be eaten) 50.98.122.61 (talk) 08:39, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the reception of the games

Someone decided to remove the scores for Halo 3 ODST, Halo Wars and Halo reach, how come? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.180.171 (talk) 14:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I dunno who cut them out, but I've reverted to include them. Their reception is just as valid. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Someone just removed them again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.180.171 (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Last sentence in the third paragraph of the intro...

"A new title, Halo 4, is currently in development, as well as a high-definition remake of the first game entitled Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary."

Since Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary has already been developed and released in stores, it is not currently in development... should the portion in bold be completely removed, or should it be altered so it reads something like "and a high-definition remake of the first game entitled Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary was released in November 2011"? PrintedScholar (talk) 11:22, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi there,

It looks like there's been a bit of vandalism at the top of the page. I don't know how to change it, but I thought I should let somebody know.

70.52.159.5 (talk) 04:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

vandalism will not be tolerated

Users who vandalize will be reported and blocked. --RichardMills65 (talk) 04:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 April 2012

I want to add this to the main Section of Halo Machinima: " Another good Machinima Series is THE HALO CE CHRONICLES by Dennis Powers. His Machinima can be seen on hcec.halomaps.org or halomovies.org." A want this added because he makes really good machinima. And I want others to know about it to. 117.228.74.214 (talk) 09:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please provide a source that considers his a good machinima series. The second line won't fly, though, Celestra (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 November 2012

I would like to add Halo 4 in the most recent Halo game release. Also I want to add Halo 4 to the timeline. SexyBroStudios (talk) 21:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Halopedia Link

Hey, I was wondering if we should give a link to Halopedia, the Halo Wiki, which has ties with 343i last time I heard. And no, I am NOT talking about halo.wikia.com. That site is so unreliable it's ridiculous sometimes. I mean this. Much more reliable source then the site hosted on Wikia, in my own opinion. —Jamn liciousness 05:40, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Critical reception of all the games

There are aggregated reviews of the first 3 halo games and a blank space for halo 4. Should the rest of the games in the series be added to the table? Crzyclarks (talk) 23:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Story Overview - Fourth Paragraph

The words "Africa" and "African" appear several times in the fourth paragraph. It appears it may be vandalism.

No need to worry. It's been fixed. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Halo: Silentium

The Books Section makes no mention of Greg Bear's final book in the Forerunner Saga. It's called Halo: Silentium, and releases January 8, 2013. Here's a link to the Waypoint article: http://blogs.halo.xbox.com/Headlines/post/2012/07/11/Tor-Books-Reveals-Title-Cover-Art-And-Release-Date-of-Third-Halo-Novel-By-Greg-Bear.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cases3 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Sale figures in the introduction

In the introduction it says the Halo games sold 46 million copies and provided a source. The source says nothing about the number of copies the series sold. Furthermore 46 million is the number of views of the live-action series on YouTube. SkySilver (talk) 23:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

It seems the old source, that stated the sales figure, was removed when a new source was added updating the revenue figure. I've re-added the original source now which states over 46 million sales. The1337gamer (talk) 07:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Relating the story overview with the games

Wouldn't it be a good idea to relate the story overview with the games? This way, people would know what was in each release of the series. I am not sure I can do it myself without messing up everything, but I could imagine some sort of tag being inserted at the beginning of a paragraph to signal the start of a game in the series and another tag at the end. Vinnie2k (talk) 11:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

More info about the Flood in the Plot?

I have no idea how to use the wikipedia talk page. Anyway, I read the plot outline, but should't there be more information on the Flood? There is literally nothing about the Gravemind and he was pretty important to the plot. And what about the brutes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.76.31.90 (talk) 19:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

The Gravemind and the Brutes are rather game-specific (heck, the Gravemind is simply an intelligent manifestation of the Flood), and need exposition that would start to swell the plot section beyond what's sensible. That's really why it's structure the way it is: anyone who wants specifics beyond that can go to the games' individual articles, or go to a dedicated wiki. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request: Microsoft CEO Phil Spencer?

After E3, Microsoft CEO Phil Spencer said that the "Reclaimer Trilogy" had been expanded into a longer series of games, saying they "[didn't] want to limit the Reclaimer story within a trilogy".

Phil Spencer appears to be a vice president at Microsoft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.214.20 (talk) 20:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Arguments for Halo being labelled military science fiction or not

• I believe the Halo franchise is classified as a military science fiction. Now I understand not all forms of media in this franchise might fit that definition but that shouldn't matter since the main storyline fits the criteria for Military-sci-fi and not all franchises classified as certain category may contain spin-off material fitting it's main classification.

For starters fans term it as military science fiction: [1][2]

Halo books are tagged under military-sci-fi: [3][4]

Amazon advertises them as military science fiction:[5][6][7]

This link tags it as military sci-fi [8]

The article on military science fiction more or less describes halo. I do admit to editing that article, but all i did was re-word it, not change it's original statements claiming the principle characters are military and a conflict occurs.

So again, not all franchises contain spin-offs that are the same ganre as the main storyline. Some responses please? 69.165.246.181 (talk) 03:14, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

The simple response is that if not all of the franchise's media can be classified as "military science fiction", ergo Halo is not a military science fiction franchise, but merely one that contains military science fiction themes and stories. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 13:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

That is not necessary. Star Wars is classified as space opera but not everything in the Star Wars franchise fits the definition of space opera. Take for example the The Han Solo Trilogy. They take place before the original star wars movies and do not classify as space opera because they don't fit the definition and are merely regarded as 'science fiction' adventure. The spin-off films on the Ewoks also do not fit the definition of space opera, heck they don't even take place in outer space. But they are set in the Star Wars universe and are equally a part of the Star Wars space opera franchise as much as the feature films are. The same is true for the han solo books. Not space opera but still a part of Star Wars.

The Forerunner saga in the Halo universe might not be military science fiction and should not be classed as such, but that doesn't change the main part of the Halo franchise from being military science fiction anymore than it does the Star Wars franchise from being space opera even though much of it's prequel and spin-off material does not fit that definition and are not classed as such. Your response? 69.165.246.181 (talk) 00:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

My response hasn't changed. If not all the work in the franchise is of the same genre, it's disingenuous to label them all as such. This is especially true because "military sci-fi" is primarily a literary genre, not one applied to video games, which are the primary works in the series. While I wouldn't call the sources you've listed above exactly reliable, they're all related to print materials. Do you have sources that refer to the series or video games in toto as military sci-fi? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 14:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• military science fiction video games do exist according to wikipedia and Halo is listed as one of them.

Also by your argument star wars wouldn't classify as space opera, even though it clearly is, because of the spin-off material. Video games can easily incorporate literary genres as the category page clearly shows. Shouldn't most Star wars video games qualify as space opera?

What is your response to Star Wars being classified as space opera despite not all it's settings necessarily fit that genre? Also Amazon does not lie when it categorizes it's products in a certain genre. They have to or else they'd be out of business. Halo clearly falls under wikipedia's definition of military science fiction. But you have not addressed the points of Star Wars being classified as space opera despite a lot of it's spin-off material not fitting that category? 69.165.246.181 (talk) 22:31, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia as a source isn't likely to sway anyone. I will repeat—are there significant sources that cite Halo (preferably as a whole) as military science fiction? You have not provided reliable sources. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:49, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

• The link was posted to refute your claim that military science fiction cannot be applied to video games, of course they can. Starcraft is labelled military science fiction, so I don't see why Halo cannot fit that genre as well.

You have evaded my question about star wars being labelled space opera despite not all it's spin-off settings fit that label. Spin-offs or prequel saga's don't necessarily have to fit the genre of the main story.

Do you have any sources supporting your claim that every aspect of a franchise must be of the exact same genre? 69.165.246.181 (talk) 21:06, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

You seem rather dug in despite having no sources. Shall I start an RfC? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 14:06, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

If that will help it is welcomed. 69.165.246.181 (talk) 01:55, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Planet list?

I believe it would be necessary to create a page listing the planets, moons, and other locations in the Halo universe. There is a sufficient amount of information on several of the planets and many other sci-fi universes have pages on Wikipedia that list planets from the universe's respected fiction. TYRULES6 (talk) 05:14, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Planets in Halo really don't play a huge role, and wouldn't meet the threshold of notability per WP:GNG. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 15:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

List of Star Wars planets exists, I don't see why not for Halo. But it's up to you. Or maybe create a section within a Halo article devoted to planets. 69.165.246.181 (talk) 19:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Should Halo be described as a military science fiction franchise?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Following from the discussion above, should Halo be described in the opening of this article as a "military science fiction franchise"? Arguments for are that sources describe the books as military science fiction (e.g. [9], [10]; arguments against are that the books are not the primary work, military science fiction is rarely used as a genre for video games, and no reliable sources describing the series as a whole as a military science fiction series have been provided.

Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 17:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

From what I have seen and heard, the series is simply described as science-fiction. Two sources concerning the books does not seem enough to make the entire franchise into "military science-fiction". The sources given in the relevant discussion also don't seem that strong: three are advertisements used by Amazon (probably for user convenience rather than strict genre accuracy), the book references are a little shaky for this site, and fan terminology shouldn't really influence things unless it becomes the terminology publicly used by the series creators and writers over a number of years. I say make it simply "science-fiction". Nice, neutral and actually covering all sub-genres. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

To play advocate, there are more than just those two sources (see the above-linked), but I cherry-picked because some seemed to be cited to Wikipedia. My concern was less the number of sources but rather their reliability. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 17:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Remarks: military science fiction video games being rare or not, still exist. Just like white tigers, no matter how rare, still exist. This cannot be an argument.

-Halo is a franchise with it's origins in a series of military science fiction video games. Back stories and spin-offs are not a part of the main series. If you want to go deep, no real science fiction story exists in a universe with a backstory that was also sci-fi since the backstories take place in a different time era or feature different adventures that fit a different category. I mean the starship troopers universe could not always have been sci-fi, something must have been there before the high tech.

-Furthermore, the arguments brought up in previous thread have not been addressed or even touched on.

-Also even if the sources are not entirely reliable they are still better than nothing. i think we should await further comments from different parties to come to a community consensus. But provided all arguments by each member are addressed. And lastly all members should be given time to provide sources (i am waiting for yours) as we are all tied up with our own commitments in life. I think discussion should still continue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.246.181 (talk) 07:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Frankly, this is getting tiring. I don't have to provide any sources; the burden is upon those adding the information. Unreliable sources can't be used for proof of anything. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 18:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes. I am commenting not out of familiarity with the subject, but because I have been invited to do so. Matthew Stover says the first game "Halo: Combat Evolved is pure MilSef" (military science fiction) and this is the theme of his opening chapter of the 2013 book about the Halo franchise, Halo Effect: An Unauthorized Look at the Most Successful Video Game of All Time. Stover's opinion is good enough for me. IMHO, it also passes the WP:DUCK test. – Fayenatic London 09:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yes: I wasn't sure "military science fiction" was even a thing, but I looked it up: "Military science fiction is a subgenre of science fiction in which the principal characters are members of a military service and an armed conflict is taking place, normally in space, or on a planet other than Earth." Pretty much exactly like Halo, right? That's from Goodreads, which to the best of my knowledge is a reliable source. Supernerd11 :D Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 21:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

The point I was making earlier is that it's using that moniker entirely in a discussion about the Halo books. Aside from a source provided from an author above, it's not to my knowledge used by any reliable sources when discussing the video games or other media at all. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 15:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yes in the original RfC post, the creator mentioned that a source was not found to define the series as "military science fiction." I think Fayenatic London's source is sufficient, and that the series can be defined in that way.Comatmebro ^{~Come at me~} 04:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
• Yes - for all the reasons specified above as well as the obvious: we have sources that call it such (excluding any fan denotation as such, and the person who fronted fan cruft as an argument should be trout-slapped). Our opinion is absolutely immaterial. We work off of citable references. Period. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry if I offended anyone. Unwarranted influx of personal opinions noted and trout slap duel accepted (I'm not being clever or antagonistic, just accepting my dues :)). Revised opinion from further research: Yes --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:26, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry; I just realized that my dislike of fanmob cruft led me to act snarkily towards you. A thousand pardons. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 00:59, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

YES IF above question implies should it be military sci-fi or not, i state it definitely should be military sci-fi. Again my argument regarding star wars and it's spin-offs were not discussed (see above) and I have stated that any spin-offs should be in a separate subgenre if necessary as in the case of Star Wars and the Han Solo Trilogy--69.165.246.181 (talk) 00:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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Book order

Would be nice to have something like this Ender's_Game_(series)#Chronological_order if the order is that complex — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.168.13.21 (talk) 20:01, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Approximate Story Order

The order is a) unreferenced, b) misleadingly facile at best, and incorrect at worst (Evolutions coming last?). "Because I want it" is not a valid reason for inclusion over our policies on verifiability. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 12:48, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you. I don't think there's any need to it, but I wasn't feeling like starting an edit war myself. --ProtoDrake (talk) 12:52, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

You should put at the top that the Halo Series is better than the COD series

Possible edits

This section could use some elaboration considering not ALL of the forerunners are dead. "The Covenant, led by their religious leaders called the Prophets, worship an ancient civilization known as the Forerunners, who perished in combat with the parasitic Flood."

This section could also use some editing to make it clear that Bungie was not the developer of this anniversary edition.

A high-definition remake of the first game entitled Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary was released on November 15, 2011, exactly ten years after the release of the original.