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What if I want to cite a source that is not online?

I understand how to cite online sources. How do I cite a source that is not online like a magazine? Thanks in advance! Alex Buxton (talk) 20:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Alex Buxton, use {{cite magazine}}, there are cite templates for a wide variety of source types. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:59, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

(ec)Hello Alex Buxton, welcome to Teahouse. You can "cite book" or "cite journal"<ref>{{cite journal|author1=Author name|title=You can add title of article here|journal=Nature|date=date of issue|volume=3|issue=January 2014|page=11|url=URL is important, but it is not available then don't post it|accessdate=20 May 2015|language=English|quote=any relevant info}}</ref>. You can post this way. As long as other editors don't have any problem regarding verifiability of your info then mostly no one will object it. If your edits are controversial then people may object. (All this is according to my knowledge)--Human3015 Say Hey!! • 21:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

If the edits are controversial the person questioning them can always go to WP:RX and hopefully someone will investigate. I did it myself once when I had access to the source.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Alex. To sum up, you cite it just like you would a source that is online, but don't provide a URL (and you would not of course, use the template {{cite web}}). You can cite manually, but the citation templates, placed between your <ref>...</ref> tags, are preferred as they provide consistent formatting (they also help remind users of the information a fully-attributed citation should contain). Links to the citation templates User:Human3015 referred to are {{cite book}} & {{cite journal}}. See more at {{Citation Style 1}}, and a beginner's guide at Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. On a side note, leave out the accessdate= parameter in these templates when your citation is to a paper source. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I just wen't to the page I was told to go to so I could ask the person to bring my page back. It did not work because there was nowhere to ask it. I wan't my page back. Can someone get it back for me??

I just tried to get may page back. I just wen't to the place I was told to go. But you can't ask the person the question about how to get it back. Can anyone help me get my page back?? Donovan delaney (talk) 19:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Donovan delaney. Go to User talk:Chrislk02, click the "new section" link, and make your request there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

my page Donovan delaney/sandbox/the Corpse Bride Video Game has been deleted again. I don't won't to start all over again. Is it still on here?? and can you find it??

My page User:Donovan delaney/sandbox/The Corpse Bride Video Game., has been deleted again. I don't won't to start all over again. Can you find it for me?? Donovan delaney (talk) 18:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@Donovan delaney: Apparently it was deleted by @Chrislk02: under WP:CSD#U5, blatant violation of WP:NOTWEBHOST. You'll have to ask them if you want the page restored. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:41, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Let me look into it and I will get back to you. Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 19:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@Donovan delaney:, per the first line which reads "The Corpse Bride Video Game is a fake game based on Tim Burten's Corpse Bride.", and the length of the content (at least 2 pages), this content is not encyclopedic in any way, and there is no way that having it available on Wikipedia can be rationalized (see WP:NOTMADEUP). What I am going to do is undelete the page, and blank it. You have a day or so to get the content from the revision I will link below, after which I will delete it again. (Here is the link [1]). (Please note, you cannot host this there, please move it into word or notepad on your local machine until you find a more appropriate place for it) Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 19:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

photo upload

Hi, I'm confused about which copyright category my jpg belongs to.

It is a photo of Lawrence Pitchko taken in the 1970s. I scanned it from a programme for a concert his was performing in Europe at the time Rayneet (talk) 15:32, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The image is almost certainly subject to copyright and inappropriate to be uploaded, unless the subject is dead in which case it may be possible to upload it pursuant to our non-free content criteria.--ukexpat (talk) 15:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

How to draft an article in userspace

Unrelated to my previous question, how do you draft an article in your userspace? Rubbish computer 15:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: You can create in at User:Rubbish computer/article name here. Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Rubbish computer 15:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

How to cite a reference twice

I have forgotten how to cite a reference twice. How is this done? Rubbish computer 15:19, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome back. I am sad to see that your computer is still rubbish. However, Wikipedia:Named references should provide what you need. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 15:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Rubbish computer 15:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

At start of first citation add a name, e.g. <ref name="Abcdefg">, and then the code for using it again would be <ref name="Abcdefg"/>. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

How can i create a wikipedia page

Good morning everyone at Teahouse. I would be grateful if someone of you could provide me some useful information.I'm interested in creating an account and additionally create a new page,but i can't find the steps that i have to follow in order to do it. Moreover, am i able to write some private details in my page about myself (e.g educational background, work experience,etc), or it is forbidden by Wikipedia policy?

Thank you in advance.Aidanika (talk) 10:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

• See WP:Your first article. Everymorning talk 11:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

To answer your second question - user pages are NOT the place to post your CV/resume "your user page is not a personal website. Your user page is about you as a Wikipedian, and pages in your user space should be used as part of your efforts to contribute to the project."
So you might want to mention which languages you speak, or what your special interests are, because it can be useful for other editors to know this, if, for example, they need help with translating.
However, your education and/or work experience are not relevant to your editing. For more detail please see Wikipedia:User pages - in particular, for what is generally allowed see WP:UPYES and for what is generally not allowed see WP:UPNO - Arjayay (talk) 11:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Aidanika hello and welcome to The Teahouse. Arjayay says "your education and/or work experience are not relevant to your editing" but that's not entirely true. What you know about can be helpful to others if your knowledge helps you to understand how to do research and evaluate sources for articles that relate to your experiences.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:18, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

7:00AM and 7:00PM

Hey. How should AM and PM be written in an article? I have seen AM, am, a.m., A.M., PM, pm, p.m. and P.M.. Does it even matter? —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:00, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

DangerousJXD, always lowercase but either am or a.m. is acceptable as long as the article is consistent. WP:MOSTIME explains it all more fully. Nthep (talk) 09:13, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Can someone see my first article and let me know the changes i need to make to conform to the Wikipedia guidelines

Dear friends at Teahouse, I have created my first article i.e, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAATH_Charitable_Trust Unfortunately i have got the following message https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Saath123#Welcome.21

I obviously don't want this article to be removed. Can someone tell me what the changes i can make on my article so that it survives!

Cheers! saath123Saath123 (talk) 08:44, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Saath123, Welcome to Teahouse. You wrote article nice, but it lacks sources. You should attach atleast 1-3 sources that mentions work of this organization. That organization is from Gujarat, India. Then if not The Times of India, Indian Express or Hindustan Times then atleast you have to mention some leading Gujarati newspapers mentioning work of this organization. Second Big mistake you done is your user name and organization name is same, it means that it is your own organization, and people will think that you just want to promote it. Promotion is against policy of Wikipedia. Read WP:Promotion. You can write article on your organization, but you have to provide some reliable sources regarding notability of your organization. Read WP:Notability.--Human3015 Say Hey!! • 11:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Saath123: I have to disagree a little with Human3015: you need sources which do more than just mention the work of the organisation. You need two or three substantial pieces about the organisation, written by people who have no connection with it, and published in reliable sources such as those Human3015 mentions. If at least two people unconnected with the organisation have not written about it, then it is not at present notable, and Wikipedia will not accept an article about it, however that article is written. --ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

ColinFine, now no use of replying him, he has been already blocked for indefinite time for using promotional username. Thats why I already said him that he done "Big Mistake". Hope he will learn from this experience. --Human3015 Say Hey!! • 17:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

There should be a link in the notability tag showing what you need to do, and the message from the user is very helpful. I've added the copy edit tag to your article, and I'm happy to do some research and add sources for you later. KieranTribe (talk) 11:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The article was deleted as a copyright violation. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

What is the difference between External Links and References?

I completely understand why the References section is needed and that its used to backup the information that is represented on a certain page or article. However, I noticed that many articles have a lot of external links, which lead to a homepage, which adds no value to the page/article and don't support the information that page has.

My question is how can you determine whether to add/have an external link on a page/article - do they have to add value? and what are the main purpose of them in comparison to references? (I guess thats two questions!!)

Thank you Kingoptimizer (talk) 07:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Kingoptimizer I think you have pretty much answered your own questions but to expand a bit. References are there to ensure that readers can check for themselves that what they are reading on Wikipedia is not just made up. That's why it is preferred that material is backed up by verifiable information from reliable sources that are (normally) independent of the article subject.

Also allowed are external links which do not in themselves support information in the article but they need to conform to the guidelines found at WP:External links. In the main the number of external links should be kept to a minimum and they do need to add value which is why, for example, lists of all a subjects social media outlets are not encouraged but perhaps a link to the subject's official web site would be considered acceptable. Also acceptable are links which do add information to the article but are too voluminous to be used as references. An example might be a website that records every performance by an athelete where the Wikipedia article has only summarised their career and highlighted notable preformances.

External links are one of those areas that are commonly misused and numerous links added which don't conform to the guidelines by people who misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia which is to be an encyclopedia and not a promotional tool for the article subjects. Nthep (talk) 09:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Nthep for the detailed explanation. It makes more sense now. Kingoptimizer (talk) 17:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Conflicting sources

Hi I'm still new on Wiki and am in a bit of a predicament. I'm working on the article Tove Lo and in some of the research I've done while expanding the article, I've came across instances where sources differ on certain facts. These instances are:

• Some sources say she wrote her first song at age ten and others say at age 11.
• Some sources say her first song was titled "Crazy", while others say it's "People Think I Am Crazy".
• Some sources she met an A&R (which connected her to a publishing company) at Icona Pop's record deal celebration party in Stockholm, while others say she met the A&R by chance in London.

I'm not familiar as to what I should in such a situation. Some assistance would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance. Slay A Bit (talk) 05:43, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Slay A Bit if you think the sources that are providing the conflicting information are reliable then use both of them. Something to the effect: "Lo wrote her first song at an early age, some sources say she was only 10<ref1> and others say 11<ref2>". This way the entry remains neutral and the information is verified. Nthep (talk) 08:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Nthep. Slay A Bit (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

request for additional information from an article

Forum:

This is my first attempt at asking a question relating to an article. The article is "Methyl Radical". There is a statement about its PRODUCTION. I would like to be able to ask the writer if there is additional detail that can be offered about the statement. But, first is that kind of question allowed? If so, how does one and where does one pose the question? Second, there would have been an initiaql writer than good chance one or more editors that could have changed the statement so to whom would such a question be addressed? A responder for Wikipedia mentioned raising the question in the "Teahouse" so here's my question.

Further, when at the article. "Methyl Radical" I see there is a "Talk" tab and that reading seems to be poster identities followed by "(talk)" which may be a discussion summary page, but if any of this is relevant, does one register for a "(talk)" page, is it assigned if someone registers? and where would it be stored?

Any comments or directions or suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated

On other websites, my ID frequently is "fairweather" 98.198.62.21 (talk) 00:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 98.198.62.21. Creating a Wikipedia account greatly facilitates communication among editors, so I recommend that you consider that. There is a talk page for every registered editor and for every IP editor such as you, as well. My talk page, for example, can be accessed by clicking "Let's discuss it" in my signature. Every article also has an associated talk page, and that is the best place to discuss the content of that article. But often the talk page on more obscure topics are inactive. Every article and every talk page also has a history page, which shows every edit to the page going almost all the way back to when Wikipedia started, nearly 15 years ago. So you could figure out who added the content in question, but there is no guarantee that the editor who added the content is still an active editor. Since they are volunteers, editors come and go all the time. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:54, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The talk page for Methyl radical has been inactive for nearly two years, but the most active editor on that article seems to be Plasmic Physics. I recommend that you address your question to that esteemed editor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Wanted to thank Cullen328 for his initial comments, but cannot see how that is done within the depths of Wikipedia. In other forums I belong to, one just clicks on "Reply" or "Post" and it gets done. If one clicks (in green) Cullen328, it goes to to a User / Profile Pager for Cullen, but no way to communicate. If you go to the (maybe a title in blue), seems in his case to go to a hisotry page of past (Talk), still no way to communicate. Wikipedia must set a record in the detail in this website. I'm in detail "OVERLOAD" Can't there be a more straightforward way to use the information in Wikipedia?

Wanted to do the same thing for the User? / Writer? / Editor "Plasmic Physics" mentioned by Cullen328 which was the reason for trying to ask a question of the article "Methyl Radical" Chem4EngrChem4Engr (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Chem4Engr. There is a lot to learn in Wikipedia, as you are finding. Stick with it! Most user's signatures contain two links, the first to their user page and the second to their user talk page. So for Cullen328, picking that name takes you to his user page, and picking "Let's discuss it" takes you to his uesr talk page. (For reasons I cannot fathom, users are allowed to have only one of these links in their signature. In my view, doing so is obstructive behaviour, but the guideline explicitly allows it. In that case, if they have only their user page linked, you can go to that and then pick "Talk" at the top).

If you look at the history of the 'Methyl radical' article (which you can also get to by picking "History" from the top of the article), you'll see that each editor's name is a link (to their user page), and is followed by a "(talk)" link (to their user talk page). In particular, there is one such link to User Talk:Plasmic Physics --ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Chem4Engr, there is one correction that needs to be made in the above information, and this is why it is so important that you registered. Cullen328 is one of the most helpful people here at The Teahouse and he gives some of the best answers. But he left one detail out of his response (he almost never makes a mistake) in this case when he said, "There is a talk page for ... every IP editor such as you, as well." Actually, there is a talk page for every IP address, and if yours changes, that makes it harder to communicate with you. It could also mean more than one person is getting messages at the talk page of your IP address.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:29, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

BLPs and age

So I've been helping out with a BLP article on an American Idol contestant, Quentin Alexander. I have a question about how ages are supposed to be formatted when we don't have a source on his exact birthdate, but we have a source for how old he is. One editor has objected to me removing it entirely, but I'm wondering if using a date-retroactive template that gives a vague 21-22 range is necessary if we don't have his exact birthdate-- my idea for handling it was just to type 21 in plaintext in the lead, until we've got a source for his birthdate. Is there a MOS precedent for this sort of thing? BlusterBlaster^kablooie! 23:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey BlusterBlaster. At Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Uncertain, incomplete, or approximate dates, they do not suggest providing an age but rather alternative birth years: "(born 1912 or 1913)". Does that work for you? Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll propose your suggestion on the article talkpage to open discussion in case there's objection, but I'll be bold and put it in the article as well. Thank you! BlusterBlaster^kablooie! 23:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Anytime!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

What does patrolled mean?

I’ve read the Wikipedia page for ‘patrolled’ 3 times, a little worried bout what it means. Patrol-abilty is reserved for the higher echelon of Wikipedia. I understand it’s an administrate tool that prevents ‘patrollers’ from visiting a page more than once as it marks on some level ‘patrolled’ , and these patrollers are looking for vandalism. What else are these patrollers looking to find? Is patrolling random and TAG I’m it? Bobmodikiw (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Bobmodikiw. A page that has been patrolled is one that (ideally) a person has checked for problems, performed whatever task is needed to address them (such as nominated it for speedy deletion; flagged for maintenance [e.g., "this article is not written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article..."; this article is an orphan..., etc.] moved to a new name in conformity with Wikipedia:article titles and a million other possibilities) and then marked as patrolled to indicate, in effect "I've already looked at this page so no one else needs to". If someone marked a page you created as patrolled, and did not make any changes to it, then you can take that as the person having checked, and indicated to everyone else, "everything is okay here". Patrolling is often not completely random. For example, it's often done to brand new pages in the article mainspace, as they show up at the Special:NewPages feed by new pages patrollers who are our first line of defense against the raging firehose of crap (with a few diamonds in the mix), that is constantly coming our way. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Any feedback on this new article?

My second new article...

Any feedback welcome. It's short & sweet. Okay to post this?

It will be better with pictures (see: https://www.google.com/search?&tbm=isch&q=Cruise+Room+Denver+Bar ) Not sure how to solve that just now.

Thanks. Justapersona (talk) 20:31, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Justapersona/Cruise Room -- I assume that's what you're talking about? — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 20:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I like it Justapersona. I have made two minor WP:MOS fixes and that's all. For the most part pictures from the internet are not allowed, unless they are under the correct license. Best place to learn more is c:Commons:Licensing. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 22:27, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I have made some additional MOS, grammar and typo fixes.--ukexpat (talk) 13:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Wow. Thank you, everyone. So much to learn. Love it. Justapersona (talk) 14:44, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Citation template for Historical Trust

Can anyone figure out a good citation template for this?

National Register of Historic Places?

NRHP Reference # 79000590 "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. 2009-03-13. http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov/natreg/docs/All_Data.html

Thanks, Justapersona (talk) 20:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Justapersona: in many confusing situations you can simply use "cite web". <ref>{{cite web|title=National Register of Historic Places|url=http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov/natreg/docs/All_Data.html|website=nps.gov|publisher=U.S. Department of Interior|accessdate=19 May 2015|quote=You can add here any relevant info}}</ref> --Human3015 Say Hey!! • 20:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

HI Justapersona. There is a whole world of templates (including an infobox) associated with articles about places in the register. See Template:NRISref which is probably what you are looking for. StarryGrandma (talk) 04:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Image License

I have tried unsuccessfully to upload an image for Amanda Oleander, but for various reasons there are issues with licesne. How will I obtain one if the image is available from a web site such as New York Magazine, or even from Ms. Oleander herself? If I take a screenshot from my phone and use that instead, will that require a license?

Thank you very much.

Org0198 (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

In order for an image to be correctly licensed, the copyright holder (which is USUALLY the photographer themselves, or the organization which pays them, but may be someone entirely different depending on contracts and the like) must explicitly license the image to be compatible with Wikipedia's own copyleft license, which is CC-BY-SA. Many professional photographers and organizations do not necessarily want to do this, as this allows any and all downstream users to reproduce or modify the work without limit, as long as they attribute the initial copyright holder. If, however, they wish to do so, they have two options 1) If the picture has never been published anywhere before, it can be uploaded at Wikimedia Commons, which is the media repository for all Wikimedia sites, including Wikipedia. 2) If it has previously been published, they can still release it under CC-BY-SA, instructions for doing so are at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Note: under normal circumstances, images you find on other websites are not eligible for use at Wikipedia, as their copyright is held by the original publisher or photographer, who has often retained full copyright privileges. This includes publications such as New York Magazine, so you cannot upload such pictures here. Also, while Ms. Oleander may own copies of pictures taken of her, copyrights on professional photographs are often still held by the photographer, and their use is still restricted. I hope all of this helps. --Jayron32 16:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Proper attribution for an article.

This is more of a point of information than a question. Your footnote No. 3 on the Dave Hakstol entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hakstol ) notes that it comes from Frank Seravalli via Philly.com and the Philadelphia Inquirer. Please note that Frank Seravalli is a Philadelphia Daily News staffer (as am I). Philly.com shares web space with the Daily News and Inquirer, and you shouldn't automatically default to the Inquirer when citing sources via Philly.com. Thanks 71.168.221.244 (talk) 14:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Point taken and amended. If you find other instances you can edit those articles for yourself to correct the misunderstanding. Nthep (talk) 15:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar

Am I eligible for any medal ? This is my statistics https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Svpnikhil&project=en.wikipedia.org. If you denied too I can accept it.Svpnikhil (talk) 12:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Svpnikhil Barnstars are a way of users thanking each other for their efforts. They aren't obligatory and many users ignore them and don't award them or receive them. The one area you can award something to yourself are the awards listed at Wikipedia:Service awards if you think you are eligible for one or more of those go ahead and add them to your user page. Nthep (talk) 15:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Link I added was informative with proof

My link was removed and stated that it is not adding anything, but if you read the Wiki Page, my link is adding much more information then the actual one.175.100.147.62 (talk) 07:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Which article and what link are you talking about? The edit is not showing up in your contributions for your current IP, you must have made that edit from an account or a different IP. Please let us know what edit or article you're talking about. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 09:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

How do I handle this situation since I'm not an administrator?

In a biography of a living person, there was a link to the website "beenverified.com". I interpreted that link as an advert|affiliate link and deleted it noting that it was an advert. In the normal course of editing Wikipedia, I've noticed that the link has been re-inserted,

I'm not one to get into edit wars; so what's the correct procedure for handling this? The article in question is Ryan Ruocco and is one of only four on all of Wikipedia referencing that site.
Mikeylito^TALK  07:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like it has been removed again by another editor. But, if that hadn't happened, you would've needed to either explain on the article's talk page why that link shouldn't be used, and/or posted on the reliable sources noticeboard asking for confirmation that that link shouldn't be used (so a consensus would be formed, and any editor wanting to add that link back would have to join the discussion instead of adding the link back). — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 09:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Can we use non-English newspapers as source?

There are many issues which are covered by non-English news papers in detail than English. For Example, The Times of India is reliable English source, it is largest selling English daily in the world. But same "Times of India" publishes Marathi language version in Maharashtra state(Population=110 million) of India named Maharashtra Times, also it has Hindi language version Navbharat Times. Times of India will not cover every important issue of Maharashtra state as it is a national level newspaper but Maharashtra Times will cover every detail of work relating to Government of Maharashtra or Biographies of people related to Maharashtra which can be very useful for readers. (Marathi language is also 16th most spoken language in the world). We can write it on Marathi Wikipedia, but as we translate articles from English Wikipedia to Marathi Wikipedia based on English language sources, then why we can't translate Marathi language articles to English based on Marathi language sources? Human3015 talk • 06:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Human3015, and thank you for your excellent question. The English Wikipedia is the free encylopedia of the entire world and universe. It is not the encyclopedia of the English speaking world. Reliable sources in other languages are perfectly acceptable, for topics where English language sources are lacking. So, when building an article on any given topic, English language sources are preferred if sources in many languages are ample. But if high-quality reliable sources are limited to those in other languages, those sources are perfectly acceptable as long as the resulting article otherwise complies with our policies and guidelines. Be sure that the sources are of high quality, and are cited properly. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen328 for your nice guidance. Nice to know that we can use non-English newspapers as source. --Human3015 talk • 07:49, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Human3015: One thing to add is that if you are citing a source that isn't in English, it is helpful to English readers to provide a short translation of the relevant portion of the text (no more than a sentence or so). For example <ref>{{cite newspaper|last=Rane|first=Vinayak|title=मुंबई इंडियन्स फायनलमध्ये|trans-title=Mumbai Indians Won by 25 Runs|language=Marathi|url=http://maharashtratimes.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/mumbai-indians-won-by-25-runs/articleshow/47350020.cms|date=May 20, 2015|quote=short translated text here}}</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahecht (talk • contribs) 06:19, 20 May 2015 (UTC+9)

Not sure if the OP knows but there are several on-line translators available e.g. google - some of these are very good.DrChrissy ^(talk) 21:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Human3015. I suggest a slight tweak be made to the template markup suggested above by Ahecht. I think it would be better to use |script-title= for the Maharathi text and |title= for a romanized version of that text. See Template:Cite web#Title for more specific details on how to do this. - Marchjuly (talk) 04:13, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Book Notability "Published Works" Question

The notability guidelines for books state: "The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself," with the explanation, ""Non-trivial" excludes personal websites, blogs, bulletin boards, Usenet posts, wikis and other media that are not themselves reliable."

My question is, are Book Reviews from reputable sites and reviewers sufficient to make a new book article, and/or article for its author? The two specifically for my case are by a famous author at SFBook.com and from a professional reviewer at Lesbrary.com. Both sites are quite reputable and reliable.

174.24.38.211 (talk) 06:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 174.24.38.211. The first website you mentioned is self-published and incidentally, riddled with glaring typographical errors. The second one is self-identified as a blog. So, I have to disagree with you. Neither is a reliable source, in my opinion. We are looking for sources with professional editorial control and a good reputation for accuracy, fact checking and correcting errors. These websites, in my opinion, do not meet that standard. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Understood, thank you for your reply, I'll not make the new page. 174.24.38.211 (talk) 06:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Can't find answer=

I received an email to say that there was a message from John from Idegon but I cannot find it anywhere. Can you please help. Thank you. Maplepond (talk) 04:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I posted what us known as a talkback template on your talk page (User talk:Maplepond) to let you know I'd replied to your earlier question here. Until you respond to the question I posed there, I have no interest in helping you further. John from Idegon (talk) 05:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Maplepond:HERE Click it. It might help you more than that reply above mine... John from Idegon Consider at least pointing them in the right direction next time. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 05:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Maplepond: Your original question and the replies to it have now been archived here. If John from Idegon had left the section name on his talkback, you may have found it before it was archived. The question that John from Idegon refers to above is “what is your connection to the company you are writing about?” Perhaps he suspects you have a conflict of interest on the company. —teb728 t c 08:00, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I work for ClearView, the company that I am trying to create the entry for. I am the marketing manager at ClearView. As mentioned before, someone unknown to the company, created an entry on Wiki for ClearView that was not factually correct. I am just trying to get factual information approved. Thank you. Maplepond (talk) 08:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Maplepond: Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Since you work for the company (and particularly in marketing the company), you are strongly discouraged from writing about it on Wikipedia. Also if as you say there is already an article about the company, a second article would not be accepted; any changes would be in the original article. Although you should not edit the article yourself, please feel free to request changes on the article talk page. —teb728 t c 09:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I cannot find the existing article, only a disam page at Clearview.--ukexpat (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Probably ClearView: According to its second AfD, it was about an Australian company, like Maplepond’s draft. @Maplepond: if the previous article has been deleted, there is no need to correct the information in it. And not all companies are notable enough for an article in an encyclopedia. —teb728 t c 18:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for this advice. I was not aware of this criteria. I would like to request the original article be amended. Is it possible to provide access to it and for me to provide corrected/updated information? Also could you please advise how a similar company in Australia, AMP, has a Wiki page? My assumption was they created it themselves? Here is the link. This company is very similar to ClearView. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMP_Limited thank you for your continued assistance. Maplepond (talk) 22:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Maplepond. I'll try and answer your question about similar articles. There are lots of articles that have been added to Wikipedia over the years: some very good and some very bad. Ideally, the bad ones are eventually discovered and improved if possible or deleted when they cannot be fixed. The reality of the situation, however, is that Wikipedia editors are all volunteers with limited time and energy, so many bad article's continue to go undetected.

Your draft is being judged based upon its own merits and whether it satisfies the notability criteria laid out in WP:ORG. The fact that other stuff such as the AMP article exists is not really relevant and does not automatically mean that your company should have a Wikipedia article. You need to establish that your company has received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources (not trivial coverage or passing mentions or coverage in primary sources). Wikipedia notability is not something that we can create or add through editing. It's not something that can be inherited from others.

Often copying the format of similar articles, especially really good ones such as featured articles or good articles, can be helpful when creating an article, but we cannot copy the notability of its subject. I don't mean to discourage you, but there are many things that Wikipedia is not and it looks, at least at the present, that your company does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria. -Marchjuly (talk) 02:50, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Just for clairty, all I did in the firt instance was amend the original entry which someone must have thought was notable enough to allow it. So, still not sure why I can't get my updated version approved? Thanks. Maplepond (talk) 22:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Maplepond. I'm afraid that assumption is wrong. There are many articles which were created by people who didn't know or didn't care about notability, and slipped in "under the radar". I think that is less likely to happen now than in the past, because there are many people patrolling new pages; but it certainly used to happen, often. --ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

When is the proper time to insert a non-free image in an article?

As I mentioned in my guest profile, I've been a Wikipedian for more than 9 years now. So, I figure it's time I learned to do things correctly.

I'm in the process of developing several articles. Some I've written as userspace drafts;one currently resides in the Draft namespace. When I've uploaded a non-free image for use in my drafts, it has either been deleted or, preferably, commented out.

So, when is it proper to insert a non-free image into an article, assuming all other criteria have been met for using a non-free image?
Mikeylito^TALK  00:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mikeylito. Non-free content may be used only in article namespace—not in draft namespace or in userspace drafts. So the correct time is when the draft is moved to article space. —teb728 t c 00:49, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mikeylito. As TEB278 points out, non-free images are not allowed to be used in the userspace per WP:NFCC#9. I believe, however, that you may link to an image if you like so that the link acts as some sort of place holder until your article is ready for the mainspace. This is easily done by adding a colon before "File" name like this [[:File:file name]]. This will create a wikilink to the file's Wikipedia page. Once your article has been added to the mainspace, simply remove the colon and the wikilink will be replaced by the actual image. One last thing, make sure the image satisfies all 10 criteria for non-free use specified in WP:NFCCP. The one people seem to forget the most when adding non-free images to articles is the "separate specific non-free use rationale" required per WP:NFCC#10c. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to both TEB728 and, especially, Marchjuly for your responses. Indeed, I was aware that all other criteria for non-free images needed to be met. In fact, I put the use rationale for the userdraft articles in the image's description, but clearly that was insufficient. However, the edit tip you gave, Marchjuly, is a quick method of developing an article with the least amount of bother while still being able to "see" the article as it should finally be presented.

I'm going to test it out with the article in the Draft namespace as that's the article most ready to go. However, I'm going to check some other places to make sure a violation isn't being caused elsewhere. Thanks!
Mikeylito^TALK  02:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Just a quick addendum. After a quick test, I prefer to edit out the reference to the non-free image and then implement it when (and if) when the draft is moved to Article namespace. Thanks for the responses.
Mikeylito^TALK  02:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: and @Mikeylito:. Actually a non-free file is not supposed to be hosted on Wikipedia unless it is used in at least one article. So the :File: workaround does not work unless the file is used in another article or unless the idea is to create a red link to a file that has not yet been uploaded (or unless you are relying on the fact that it takes several days to delete an orphan non-free file). —teb728 t c 06:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

You're right TEB728. I was basing my suggestion on the assumption that the non-free file being discussed above had already been uploaded and was being used in another article. I should have been clearer about that when I mentioned wikilinking because all you will get is a red link if no such file yet exists. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:53, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Writing about a book thats beneficial for the public and the environment

Dear Friends in Teahouse!

I read a book about two people from Melbourne who cycled to meet, interview and explore different people simpler living styles reducing, recylcing and reusing. I am a Singaporean citizen and an Australian permanent resident.

However I am working in China for couple of years now. I thought this was a great book that had the chance of finding main stream interest in Asia where many of these ideas need some attention. Also because its written in an easy to read manner and talks about a cycling adventure.

I am new to wiki and I wrote an initial first paragraph and it has been turned down twice. I dont want to give up because I think its worth the trouble. Can anyone please offer me some tips or ideas on how I can overcome this obstacle?

Thanks a million!

J.Raavenan (talk) 00:35, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi J.Raavenan. I am sorry to say that it does not help if a subject is beneficial. What is required is that a subject is notable (in the sense that it has received significant coverage in reliable sources) and that the article is written from a neutral point of view. Your draft was rejected because it was not neutral. —teb728 t c 01:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Alright. I will focus on the neutrality of the article and re-submit quoting a few reliable neutral sources.

J.Raavenan (talk) 22:27, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Purging

I need to purge an article; how do I actually do it? I have previously asked what "purge" is so I know what it is. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey DangerousJXD. Navigate to the page, click edit at the top of the page (not a section edit link). In your browser you will see a url like

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Masako_Katsura&action=edit

Change the word edit (that I've underlined at the end) to purge and hit return. Done. See also Wikipedia:Purge. By the way, if you go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and scroll down to Appearance section, you'll see one of the options you can tick says "Add a clock in the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC (which also provides a link to purge the current page)." Once you have this you will always have a clock in UTC which may be very helpful if you have your other time preferences set to an offset, and allows you to purge any page just by clicking on the clock. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks. —DangerousJXD (talk) 23:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: I would recommend enabling the purge gadget at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets → Appearance. This adds a little link in the more dropdown menu for you to purge the article easily. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

peer reviewed journal citations

Hi, The person I'm creating a Wikipedia page is a little flustered because she doesn't understand why the Peer reviewed journals that her work has been published in doesn't meet notability guidelines. She feels (like others I think) that you can't get much more notable than that. Her book has been published, but she wants her Wiki bio in place before she she launches it in three months. Any advice?v Chrisking1977 (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Chrisking1977, welcome to the Teahouse. Have you looked at our relevant notability guidelines - WP:NACADEMICS and WP:AUTHOR? Also, please be aware that Wikipedia is not the place to promote oneself and have a look at our conflict of interest guidelines. It would help if you told us the subject's name so we can further advise you. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi NeilN, Thank you very much for replying. Yes I've carefully reviewed the notability guidelines several times. And I know what you mean about self-promotion. I probably shouldn't have mentioned that as it is secondary to the fact that this author quite notable in all respects.

My friend (the subject of the entry) has a lot of work has been rigorously reviewed in peer reviewed journals. So I think maybe I"m going about this the wrong way. I was wondering if you could suggest what kind of citations should be used here, and for what kind of facts. The article is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Feminine_Capital

Chrisking1977 (talk) 22:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Chrisking1977: Let's clarify this a bit. An article can only have one topic. The subject of the article you're linking to is the book, not your friend, so the notability requirements are different and listed at WP:NBOOK. So basically what we're looking for is published in-depth reviews of that specific book. The authors may be notable but that doesn't mean the book is. Each article (subject) must be notable in its own right. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

BTW, I see that the book's website has a reviews page. These are blurbs and not the kind of in-depth reviews we're looking for. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Neil. That's very valuable feedback. Sorry if I was unclear about the type of content. Chrisking1977 (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I've written content on many existing articles but...

I've written content on many existing articles but how do I submit my sandbox as a new article? For review and such... Its just a stub. Bobmodikiw (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the sandbox page. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

You do not need to submit it as a new article. Once you finish your editing, you can just submit it and search for the item or article. The new page appearing would show your contributions. Cindyruoyu (talk) 02:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

See your talk page. Thanks EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Seeking opinion on a draft article

I'm writing an article on a music app that was released last fall called Auxy-- I'd like to know if I'm going in the right direction with it so far; haven't gotten any response in some WikiProject venues when I last asked for input, so I decided I'd try here. Here is what I've got right now in my sandbox, so a perusal by someone who either has some knowledge wrt writing app/software articles or even a layperson on the subject with an eye for NPOV and general article quality things would be great. Thanks, BlusterBlaster^kablooie! 18:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

BlusterBlaster hello and welcome to The Teahouse. Just from a quick look, the article looks better than a lot of drafts I've seen. It could use more detail but I think there's enough there for it to pass. However, the lead is longer than the rest of the article, when the lead should merely summarize what the article says. Ideally, it shouldn't have references, but the common name of the product appears to need a reference and I've seen that done in the first sentence. I'm not familiar with the sources but there appear to be at least some that meet the standards.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:27, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Vchimpanzee: Thanks for the input-- a lot of the structure and citing choices were based on WP:NSOFT and the MacPaint GA, so the structure is indeed a bit weird in comparison to the average article. I'll wait for a bit to see if anyone else chimes in, and from there I might give it a toss into AfC.

Little cleanup help please - screwup at AfD

Eek. I just seem to have made a certain amount of mess at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2015_May_18, by listing an AfD for Access intelligence and then unwisely doing a move of the AfD page (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Access_intelligence). Link seems to be correct now, but the entry in the log has failed to process correctly and now is glued to the bottom of the "Persona 3 The Movie: No. 4, Last Episode" entry, w/o a heading. Can't see how to rectify it. Can some savvy person fix it please? Cheers! -- Elmidae (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Elmidae: Fixed in this edit. Make sure to follow WP:AFDHOWTO next time, or the a lot easier way use WP:Twinkle. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 19:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Cheers! Apparently following WP:AFDHOWTO with additional stupid little flourishes is not indicated :p ---Elmidae (talk) 07:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Why there is lack of arts related items?

One issue for wikipedia volunteers si that why there are not arts (specifically design)related terms and their explanations? For example, what does "framing", "rhythm", or "multimodality" mean in design? Cindyruoyu (talk) 16:23, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cindyruoyu your question "what does "framing", "rhythm", or "multimodality" mean in design?" almost reads like a homework question??
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary, so we don't normally define terms, please try Wiktionary
We do have an entire article on Framing (visual arts) and one on multimodality that mentions design 8 times - although I admit rhythm is almost totally about music - whereas it is also a very important term in architecture and other forms of design. Why are there no such articles? - because no-one has written them - so this is your opportunity.... - Arjayay (talk) 18:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cindyruoyu—Wabi-sabi is an interesting term. I think it relates to design. There are of course many others. And then there is an art movement called Pattern and Decoration, which I think is design-oriented. I share your interest in arts-related terms. There is also Painterliness, Tonalism, Monochrome painting, Hard-edge painting, Bokeh, All-over painting, and Minimalism. These are in no particular order. They are just a few of my favorite articles which loosely fall into the category of arts-related terms. Bus stop (talk) 18:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm trying to create my first page and am having difficulty getting it approved in the final stages - what does it mean when someone says: 'More coverage would be nice'? The page is on an entrepreneur called Alastair Lukies.

I'm trying to create my first page and am having difficulty getting it approved in the final stages - what does it mean when someone says: 'More coverage would be nice'? The page is on an entrepreneur called Alastair Lukies.

The process is so difficult, it's actually quite off putting I'm finding. I would love to keep contributing but unsure where I'm going wrong on this one.

Tidswesa (talk) 16:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse...what they mean is more sources by third parties.

See Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

You may also want to read over Wikipedia:Tutorial/Citing sources -- Moxy (talk) 18:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

• Link to the draft article: Draft:Alastair Lukies —Anne Delong (talk) 19:21, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Reference

Sorry,I forgot where to find the answer: How exactly do I refer to a page of a wiki article written in another language? Thanks in anticipation LouisBB (talk) 08:23, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi LouisBB
Rather than retyping the advice, which is quite long, please see Help:Interlanguage links - if you still have any specific problems, please come back - Arjayay (talk) 08:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) To create a wikilink to different-language Wikipedia (or another Wikimedia project) see Help:Interwiki linking - basically, you prefix your link with the appropriate language or project code. To link an article on en-wiki to an article about the same subject on another Wikipedia, go to Languages in the right-hand menu and choose "Edit links", then just fill in the relevant boxes. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Latest sumbission-can't find John's reply

I have received an email to let me know John from Idegon has responded to my question but I can't find it in the teahouse. Could you please show me where to find it. I have looked everywhere.. Thank you. Maplepond (talk) 07:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Maplepond - It is currently about 10 up from the bottom of this page Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#Problem getting approval for Wiki entry. - Arjayay (talk) 08:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Anya Camilleri—Should I Revert?

On 17 April 2015‎, User:82.55.186.169 removed age and place of residence, along with the references for both of those facts from the article Anya Camilleri. There was no edit summary left for either of those removals. These are the only edits that have been made on Wikipedia by that IP address. Ordinarily, I would just revert, but looking at the IP address, it seems to originate in central Italy (and possibly from Ms. Camilleri's office or residence?). Is their some BLP reason for me not to revert? I asked this on the talk page about a month ago, but have seen no response from User:82.55.186.169. Carl Henderson (talk) 06:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Carl Henderson: If the IP gave no reason for the revert and has not responded, then yes you should revert the edit as it is removal of sourced material. Where the IP is located shouldn't matter in any BLP situation unless they specifically are requesting removal of information on the talk page. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 06:07, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

You will need reliable sources. The reference for her age doesn't give her age (probably did once but isn't archived anywhere). The reference for her house has been changed and no longer has the information that she wrote and signed there, but the page is available archived at http://web.archive.org/web/20121218233708/http://www.romizivillasinumbria.com/works.html. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

The reference I gave for her date of birth on my last revision Company Check lists "Year of Birth: 1961". The other reference Our Renovation Works seems active, too. I just checked both in a browser I don't normally use and forced reloads to clear any cached content. I can't figure out why those are not showing up for you. Carl Henderson (talk) 21:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

A very big THANK YOU to Fougettaboutit for fixing the problems in my sandbox. I really appreciate it.Rayneet (talk) 04:45, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Alright just ignore my cleanup... -_- EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 05:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Rayneet: If you wish to thank an editor, it's often a great idea to do so on their talk page. If you think their work is exceptional, you can also consider giving them a barnstar. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:30, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Discography and citations

Screenshot displaying where to access the RefToolbar

Hi, 1. The second line of my discography is in a box and I don't know why. How do I eliminate this? 2. I need to use quotation marks in my citations. How do I get those? Rayneet (talk) 02:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Rayneet: Page is User:Rayneet/sandbox. I have fixed the boxes in this edit. Any line starting with a space will be in a box. Your references appear malformed. I suggest using {{Cite web}} to help you. This is easily accessed in your edit toolbar as shown in the image to the left. It is under the Cite menu, then Templates, then Cite web. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Is this new article ready?

Might as well call this my first article... I've created my sandbox, and a sub page for a new article on SCIM (System for Cross-domain Identity Management).

There is actually already a stub for this, here. My article is here.

Should I solicit feedback first, or sign-off from anyone, or just go ahead and update it with my longer version?

Justapersona (talk) 01:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Justapersona: Welcome! Given the quality and references in your version, I would recommend simply putting your version into the stub as it is undeniably better. Use an edit summary that links your sandbox such as Expanding article, content copied from my draft; [[User:Justapersona/SCIM]]. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Redirect/disambiguation question

This may not be the right place to ask this, as it is a very specific question and I'm not a new user - please direct me to a better forum if you know of one. I have a question about dealing with redirects and disambiguation of biologically-synonymous terms. I would like to (one day) create a page for Ellisia nyctelea, a small plant that I am fond of. However, to ensure it is not an orphan, I would also like to create a page for its genus, Ellisia. You'll notice that link is blue... that's because it is a synonym for Sertularella, a genus of hydroids, and the page redirects there. How would I go about creating a page for the plant genus (a currently accepted taxon in the Hydrophylloideae, so I figure it would get preference), while making sure the hydroid synonymy is respected as well? Disambiguation confuses me to no end and I don't even know where to start with this. Thanks! Antepenultimate (talk) 01:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Antepenultimate: Personally I would replace the redirect with your article, then at the top use a hatnote to link to the other article. I would suggest either {{for}} or {{about}} for this use. Something like

For the genus of hydroid, see Sertularella.

EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

That seems like a simple solution that is very doable. Thanks for the quick reply! Antepenultimate (talk) 02:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

What would be the appropriate venue to discuss or dispute an arbcom decision?

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#TheRedPenOfDoom.2C_third_filing resulting in the ruling that users with fewer than 500 edits/30 days should not/cannot edit Gamergate controversy or Talk:Gamergate controversy. Given that the discussion is closed and users with less than 500 edits can't/shouldn't edit the talk page, where should one discuss it? Do I need to open a request that the block be rescinded? Making such a request so soon after the decision was made (less than twelve hours at time of post) feels more than a bit bad-faith to me, but I can't find a good place to discuss this. Thanks, Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 23:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

My advice was that if this relates to series issues involving a living person take it up at WP:BLP/N; otherwise leave it well alone. Another option would be to find 500 spelling mistakes... Stuartyeates (talk) 00:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice; I think you may have misunderstood what I'm upset about, though. I'm more interested in the meta-discussion as to whether limiting access to the talk page is a) beneficial to the core goals of Wikipedia, b) conducive with the "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." mantra (though that thing has been degraded so much in the last decade that I'm not sure it should still be our tagline), c) an effective method of limiting edit-warring on the respective page, d) looks good to outsiders, e) looks good to insiders, and about a dozen other gripes. Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 00:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

One thing to remember, it isn't as though such decisions are made out-of-the-blue, with no preceding events, as though arbcom randomly picks an article talk page and says "Nope, you can't edit it!". Unfortunately, there's a long history of a coordinated, off-Wikipedia attack on that talk page, and the only way to keep it under control was to shut it down to new users. If there is anyone to blame, it isn't arbcom, it's those who sought to disrupt Wikipedia for their own political or social reasons. You shouldn't bother ArbCom about this, you should bother THEM and tell them they shouldn't have been so obnoxious. Yes, it does prevent otherwise good-faith new editors from contributing, but they couldn't do that anyways, given the attacks on the page in question. This stops the problem. --Jayron32 00:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

But where would I discuss this; the Teahouse doesn't seem like a good place to get into a protracted argument on the philosophy of wikipedia governance. Surely there is some place where wikipedians could Wikipedia policy. The unusual nature of the decision precludes the talkpage of the relevant article as a realistic discussion venue, and I'm not well-versed enough in the multitudinous nature of community organization on wikipedia to know of an appropriate page, talk or otherwise, to start such a debate. I don't want to shit up the wrong place. Looking around some, perhaps WP:RFC is the correct place? Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 00:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Looking further, RFC is definitely not the right place, as procedure there is to link right back to a talk page, which is impractical here for obvious reasons. Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 00:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

General discussions often go on at WP:VPM. Maybe there? --Jayron32 00:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

It seems like as good a place as any. Thank you for the help! Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 00:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

If you want to challenge an ArbCom decision, I would suggest you do so at WP:ARCA; this is the only venue where amendments can be tabled to ArbCom decisions. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Use of images

I have a short question that I have been wondering about for ages. I know you can use any image from the wiki-commons but wondered, how and what is needed to upload an image. I also wondered if you can use any image from a website such as shuuterstock, if I gave the reference. thanks Wrightie99 (talk) 20:57, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

@Wrightie99: In general you can only upload images that you own and have the copyright to so you can't upload images from shutterstock as they would be owned by someone else. You can use the wizard here if you would like to try it out. Winner 42 Talk to me! 21:27, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Wrightie99. Commons only accepts images that are free: either public domain (for example by being old enough) or explicitly release under a suitable Creative commons licence. As Winner 42 says, the easiest way to do this is if you own the copyright; but if the owner is willing to licence it they can follow the procedure in donating copyright materials and then you can upload it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding to the above answers: Welcome to the Teahouse, Wrightie99. If you take a photo of anything which is not itself copyrighted, then you hold the copyright, and you can freely license your photo under an acceptable Creative Commons license. I am not familiar with Shutterstock, but you can only upload other people's photos if they are properly freely licensed as indicated clearly on the website. Flickr gives people the option of specifying a license acceptable to Wikimedia Commons, but you have to check the specific license carefully, since a license that excludes commercial re-use is not acceptable. Copyright has expired on photos published before 1923, and work photos by employees of the U.S. Federal government are free of copyright. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:42, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I just visited the Shutterstock website and read their license language. I feel highly confident in saying that the Shuttertock license is not a Creative Commons license. Shutterstock is a commercial business. Customers pay them for limited rights to use a photo and they pay the photographer 25 cents per download. Freely sharing their photos is not allowed. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

how to start a wikipage

I am new to creating a wikipage. How do I start, create, a page?Kurlywillows (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Kurlywillows and welcome to the teahouse. Writing an article from scratch (please think of it as an article, not a "page", as it will help get you in the right mindset for what we do here) is not the easiest thing to do, as there are a lot of rules and policies you must follow; so my advice would be to get some experience editing existing articles first. But if you want to go ahead, I would strongly advise reading your first article and then using the article wizard, which will help you create a draft where you can work on it without it being immediately subject to deletion if it doesn't meet all the criteria. General things to think about are the fact that every single statement in your article should be individually referenced to a published reliable source, and nearly all of it to sources unconnected with the subject. If you can't find any substantial writing about the subject by people unconnected with it, then it will probably be impossible to write an article that will be accepted. Another thing to beware of is that if you have any connection with the subject (eg yourself, your friend, your relative, your company, your band, your charity) then you are discouraged from writing about it because it may be hard for you to write in a suitably neutral way: see COI if that is the case.

After all that, I hope you can contribute, and enjoy doing so. --ColinFine (talk) 20:24, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Getting reported for no reason

I have been warned by Ukvoltaire123 for a small edit that I did. It was just a small change on some numbers and yes it was exact same place I edit and he/she warned but he/she accuse me for something I didnt do. And says he/she will report me if I continue. I'm really confused and I never get reported before so please help me. Paleocemoski (talk) 17:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

@Paleocemoski: Don't worry, you've done nothing wrong and you have not been reported. I'm not entirely sure what Ukvoltaire123 is trying to say through their broken english, but it appears they are attempting to troll you. They have already been blocked in the past and I have reported them to administrators. Winner 42 Talk to me! 17:35, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

@Paleocemoski: What s/he said is you must not add info without reference. That user is somewhat correct. Don't worry. As per BOLD, you have not done anything wrong.
But, have a look at his/her talk page. That user has blanked several pages, and was indulged in vandalism. Well, well. Please do read You don't need to cite that the sky is blue and WP:NOTBLUE as well.
I don't feel your edit was harmful. I consider this as personal attack. Though of moderate level, but, I would prefer letting an admin know.
117.212.138.199 (talk) 17:41, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Well I usually don't add info without reference but I just write the total episode number, which it is something that I counted. But probably I should put references even in that. Please correct me if Im wrong.Paleocemoski (talk) 17:52, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Generally sources are useful, adding a reference to where you having a listing of the episodes would be sufficient. Winner 42 Talk to me! 21:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

The user has been reported by Winner 42, and I have left a message at that user's talk. But, have a look at his/her talk page. I would advice you to stay away from that user. Very mischievous user. Call it peacock term but that user doesn't behave friendly.
117.212.138.199 (talk) 17:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

problem using sister contents of wikipedia

why cant i use other sister contents of wikipedia like wikibooks,wikitionary,wikinews e.t.cMentalist karan (talk) 15:34, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mentalist karan - Because, like Wikipedia, these websites can be edited by anyone - so are not reliable sources - Arjayay (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Please do not re-format your question after it has been answered - if you want to ask another question please do so under the reply - Arjayay (talk) 16:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

How to propose a merge and history merge

On Badi al-Zaaman Abu al-Izz Ismaeel ibn al-Razzaz al-Jazari and al-Jazari, these articles appear to be about the same person. How do you propose a merge and a history merge? Rubbish computer 13:55, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Rubbish computer: This is a pretty obvious case, so I would say that you can be bold and just go ahead and perform the merge yourself. You'd follow the instructions at WP:PROMERGE. That being said, I really don't see any content from the shorter article that's not already better covered in the longer article - if you agree, I'd suggest simply redirecting Badi al-Zaaman Abu al-Izz Ismaeel ibn al-Razzaz al-Jazari to al-Jazari. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:02, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, I will do this. Rubbish computer 17:42, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Format?

On Theretra acuta, instead of 'Random article', it says 'Random page' at the side and instead of 'Talk' the Talk page is entitled 'Discussion.' I can't tell if this is only on my computer or whether or not this is a problem. Other articles do not appear to be the same on the whole but I have come across articles like this before. Rubbish computer 11:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't have that problem on that page (just checked), although I had that same problem on a different page a few minutes ago. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

How to find pages that need more citations or edits so I can start editing and helping out the community?

Hello - Love the teahouse. I did some tutorials on WIkipedia and learned a lot. I found this page that shows a few pages that need editing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal/Opentask. However, is there another way to find pages in a specific niche that need editing. I am asking, because I am knowledge in the tech niche so I can help edit articles/citations/wrong information much better for that niche!

Any help is appreciated! Kingoptimizer (talk) 19:26, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Kingoptimizer: You might be interested in WikiProjects, which are groups of editors that have a similar interest in a topic area. For example, if you're into software, you might check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Software and consider joining. If you look at the 'Project Articles' section, you'll see a summary of articles by quality; if you look at the stub articles, you'll find many short articles that probably need expanding or references. Further down the page, you'll find a to-do list with articles that also need help.

Each WikiProject is independent and runs differently, so not all might have a to-do list - but as far as I've seen, most do have a list of project articles sorted by quality. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 19:55, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! User:SuperHamster. I think I have a new addiction now! Editing Wikipedia.. Thanks for your help - how can I boost your reputation or make you a friend or something? :-) Want to make sure that people know your a great user!! :-)Kingoptimizer (talk) 20:14, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem Kingoptimizer, happy to help. Alas, there's no reputation to boost or built-in friend feature :) See you around! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:39, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

But you could choose aBarnstar and leave it on SuperHamster's user talk page if you wanted, Kingoptimizer. --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! ColinFine. I will do just that! :-)Kingoptimizer (talk) 03:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Is it worth writing an article?

I am thinking of having a go at writing an article about my Grandfather and the Yachts he designed. The trouble is I don't want to spend loads of time writing the article if it's not going to end up being notable enough. The yachts were designed in the 1930s. One at least won a design competition and was publihsed in the Yachting Monthly magazine. Another one had an hour long TV programme made about it - Boatyard I think it was called. They are also catalogued many times in the Lloyds Register of Shipping Small Craft Section. Is this notable enough? Are the references independent enough? Please advise. Thanks. Siddyboy3.0 (talk) 21:06, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

@Siddyboy3.0: It is hard to determine without actually seeing the sources, but it appears that your grandfather may be notable for Wikipedia. What Wikipedia is looking for is significant coverage about him in independent reliable sources. Here is the notability guideline on people if you think he can fit that, he deserves a Wikipedia article. Winner 42 Talk to me! 21:29, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

(ec) Siddyboy3.0 hello and welcome to The Teahouse. I assume Yachting Monthly would be considered a reliable source by Wikipedia. If so, that is a start. I'm not familiar with Lloyds Register but it sounds worthwile. The fact that one of the yachts has an hour-long program about it is another good sign, though depending on how old it is, I'm not sure what we would use to show the program aired or its content. If it was a production by a major network, it might qualify as a reference.

But getting past the question of notability and independent sources, you have a conflict of interest and would be discouraged from writing the article yourself. If you could provide independent sources and write with a neutral point of view, which is hard for someone close to the subject, you could try. But use the draft space or the Article wizard. Good luck.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:31, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - I might just give it a go and see what happens. I can't remember just now who produced the TV programme but it's been aired on QUEST, Discovery Channel and a few others.

Siddyboy3.0 (talk) 21:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

@Vchimpanzee: The Lloyd's Register is as reliable as it gets in the maritime world, so give it a go Siddyboy3.0! :) Just holler if you need any help. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 22:11, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

W.carter thanks. I knew the Lloyd's name was respected and figured it was related.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:23, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

A problematic conflict of interest exists, Siddyboy3.0, when promoting the topic the editor cares about is more important than improving the encyclopedia. Financial and ideological conflicts of interest are especially problematic. I assume that no one makes much money from promoting 1930s yacht designs, and there are no cult groups or political parties pushing those designs. So any conflict of interest is exceedingly mild - making grandpa look good. Rely on summarizing what reliable sources say, and refrain from inserting any family lore. Admit your connections, as you have already done here, and all will be well. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@Siddyboy3.0 I think discussing your article ideas with the folks at WP:WikiProject Sailing could probably be very useful. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:41, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

user:levidog101 its worth it righting an articale — Preceding undated comment added 14:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Changed username then forgot it

I recently changed my username but now I forgot what my new one was! Please helpEdit56824 (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Do you remember what your name was before you changed it? If so, you can find you name change request at Wikipedia:Changing username/Archives- don't know an easier way, sorry. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I do remember my old name. Is there any easy way to search on that link you provided?Edit56824 (talk) 19:51, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

There's a search bar at the bottom. If you type in your old username, I guess it'll find the username request you made. Although you do realise that you shouldn't use more than 1 account simultaneously? Joseph2302 (talk) 19:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

In most straightforward renames, the old username is redirected to the new one - if you just look up your old userpage, you should find yourself at your new one. Yunshui ^雲_水 19:55, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you I did find it. But I realize now that it identifies me. Can I change it again?Edit56824 (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Or link it with this new one I just created?Edit56824 (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Joseph2302 you're right. I would like to link this current account with my old one. I had to create this current one so I could ask the question. I'll keep better track in the future.Edit56824 (talk) 20:08, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

You could have just asked it by your IP.
117.207.26.105 (talk) 20:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Shoot. Well I'll know for next time but hopefully it won't happen again. So do you think I should pursue changing my now identifiable username again or try to link it with this new account I created to ask this question?Edit56824 (talk) 20:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

The issue is that I had a page I was creating under my old username so I'd like to keep that content.Edit56824 (talk) 20:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

No advice.Edit56824 (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Anyone there?Edit56824 (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Edit56824: Accounts can not be linked. Either stop using this one and rename the old one or start using this one only. btw, we are all volunteers, don't expect an instance response. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)}!

The page you created should still be there. Try typing the title into the search bar, and clicking on "Everything" on the search page. What was the title of the page you were working on? Howicus (Did I mess up?) 20:48, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Howicus: What on earth are you talking about? EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 20:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

When Edit56824 said "The issue is that I had a page I was creating under my old username so I'd like to keep that content.", I assumed they meant that there was a page they started with their old account that they are trying to find. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 20:53, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

user:levidog101 if you cant remember just start a new wiki page and then write down your new password and username

• always write down your pass word — Preceding unsigned comment added by Levidog101 (talk • contribs) 14:41, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:Disrupt

Where do you report a user for disruptive editing TeaLover1996 (talk) 12:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse TeaLover1996, we hope to help you with this editing problem. The first thing that needs to be done is that the editor who is performing disruptive edits has to be warned on their talk page. I suggest that you include examples of what was disruptive. Editor-to-editor contact and discussion is always the best first step, an administrator will be more likely to assist in the problem if you have already tried to resolve it yourself. If this doesn't completely answer your question, please come back to the Teahouse for more help. Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  12:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@Bfpage: I need to know where to report someone in case I need to TeaLover1996 (talk) 14:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@TeaLover1996 WP:RVAN is usually the best place to report vandals, but you must have warned the editor enough times (usually around four is good). Once you report, an administrator will review the report and decide whether the vandalism is severe enough for a block. Hope this helps! Cheers Katniss♥ 18:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

editing help needed

Hi there! Can you please advise as to what needs to be changed. I felt as though the peacock terms and opinions were removed and left only factual information. If you could give me sine examples of structure that needs to be corrected, I would be so very grateful. Thank you!

Teamwesley (talk) 22:02, 15 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teamwesley (talk • contribs)

Hello, Teamwesley. It would be helpful if you would tell us which article you were talking about, but I presume it's Draft:August Wesley (wrestler). I haven't looked very far through it, but from the beginning:

• The first sentence "August Germaine Wesley, born the 2nd oldest of 7 (Linda, Veronica, Nina, Nefertari, Junior and Olympia) on May 21, 1972." isn't a sentence, as it doesn't have a main verb. The list of his siblings doesn't belong in the lead (too much detail) and isn't referenced.
• "with an illustrious career" is evaluative, not neutral, and should never appear in any Wikipedia article unless it references a reliable source, independent of the subject, which says that the subject's career is illustrious.
• I don't know whether the source you cite says that "he was honored" when he was selected, or just that he was selected; if it doesn't say he was honored, then the article shouldn't say so (and I'm not sure that it should say so even if the source does).
• The first paragraph of "Early years" is about his own view of his story. That is acceptable, (though a description by an independent source would be better). but still needs to be cited to a reliable source (but it could be a non-independent source as long as it is saying that this is what he says about his early years)
• "Little did he know that ... " is hardly ever appropriate for an encyclopaedia.

These are only a few points, but I hope they give you an idea of what's needed. One other point: you have plenty of references (good!) but none of then has a URL. It is not required that references be available on line, but it's a lot easier for reviewers to check them if they are. I guess (though I might be wrong) that quite a few of these are online, and it would help your article to be accepted if you made it easier for reviewers by providing the links. You could also used 'named references' to avoid repeating them when you use the same source more than once: see referencing for beginners. Good luck! --ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Help Me

I created an article of a notable person. "Mike Bleed Da BlockStarr" because he was on Wiki. I may did a few things incorrectly so if anyone can be of some assistance in editing the article so it will not be deleted, it would be of great appreciation. The information in the write up is all facts & can be searched in many sources. Such as Nola.com, allmovies.com, iHeartRadio.com, IMDb.com, mikebleed.com, among others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blockstarrinc (talk • contribs) 21:14, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

• Hi, Blockstarrinc, and welcome to the Teahouse. What is needed in this article are reliable sources that demonstrate that this musician is notable. Also, you need to add these sources to the article yourself, otherwise the article will probably be speedy deleted. Everymorning talk 22:34, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

And, Blockstarrinc, note that "notable" in Wikipedialand doesn't mean important, or famous, or popular, or influential: in most cases it only means that several people unconnected with the subject have decided to write about him and had their writing published in reliable places (which doesn't include user-generated sites like iMDB. I don't know about the other sites you mention). --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Newbie needs an invite

Hi. Can one of the Teahouse regulars leave a talk page invitation for this guy: User talk:Vlmh? He's made a handful of edits since late 2014, but has had no talk page communication with anyone before today. I had to revert several of his recent edits because he was inadvertently breaking pipe links, and I left a corrective/explanatory message on his virgin user talk page -- admittedly not the most welcoming first message for a potentially productive new editor. I would be grateful if someone would leave a friendly Teahouse message for him. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:08, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

 Done in the future Dirtlawyer1, the Teahouse works in reverse and new sections go at the top. The blue button in the header does that automatically. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 03:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. Duly noted. I did find and use the "blue button" after searching in vain for the "new section" tab. Not sure how my comment found its way to the bottom of the stack. It's a mystery. Thanks for your quick response on the welcome message for Vlmh. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

History of Moropa High School

Draft article

Name of School: Moropa High School Postal Address: P.O. Box 132, GOMPIES, 0631 Physical Address: Madisha-Ditoro, Zebediela, Mokopane, 0631 Tel: (015) 662-0114 email: moropa@live.co.za Principal: Mr. M.J. Nambo Mobile: 0825050114 email: nambo@webmail.co.za The school was built by the community of Madisha-Ditoro in Zebediela, Limpopo Province, RSA (south of the Capital Polokwane). The school was originally started in 1984. It was initially operating from Mmammati Primary School with two teachers, namely Mr. Molepo and Mrs. Mphulo (nee). This is after the community realised that it was growing and needed a higher school nearby for their children. During 1985, the school got two more teachers, namely Mr. Sediba and Mr. Kekana. During 1986, the community built one maiden block of three classrooms and the pupils and their four teachers were relocated from Mmammati Primary School to the new building at the western outskirts of the village, next to the Gompies River (its current location). Another block was added in 1987 to cater for the then Form 1 upto Form 3, modern day Grade 8 to 10. The name of the school was given in honour of a great community leader named Moropa Madisha, who helped many community members to settle peacefully in the village under the old apartheid regime of bantustans (black African homelands). Ditoro is the grandfather of Fika Madisha, who is well-known in the village, hence the village being named Madish-Ditoro.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.76.131.245 (talk) 03:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, 197.76.131.245. This is not the place to present a draft article. If you want to create an article about your school, please read WP:Your first article. Pay particular attention to notability: while this is less strongly applied for high schools than for many subjects, it remains the fact that every single piece of information in a Wikipedia article should be cited to a reliable published source. Before even thinking of writing an article about it, you need to find where other people, unconnected with the school, have already written about it, because that is what you must use for the basis of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The OP came to the Help Desk on 18 May and asked how to create an article on the school. The advice given was first to create a registered account, and then to use the WP:Article Wizard to create the draft article in draft space, providing references to reliable sources for the information. Create a registered account, then follow the advice given by User:ColinFine, which is the same as the advice that you were given at the Help Desk. (Posting the same request at two different pages, after ignoring the advice at the first, often results in one's edits and requests also being ignored.) Robert McClenon (talk) 18:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding pictures

Hello everyone! I've just added a picture to the page Charles de La Vieuvillebut I don't know how to make it smaller. Could you help me, please?

Courtously, User: The Count of Zielin — Preceding undated comment added 11:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

 Fixed After the file name, you can add a size, for example |200px makes them 200px size (which is a standard sort of size). Also, for reference, new Teahouse question usually go at the top of the page (unlike most other boards, where it's at the bottom). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Bad things

Hw do i fill in morning when i got up on my bed