Talk:Tile

Comments

This is an interesting place where anyone can be an editor or a writer. However, I encounter the word "tile' in my studnts' homework when we are studying Kinship (family relatives). Accordingly the assignments, my students are asked to "fill in relative Tile" which was family tree grown evenly on both sided (mom and dad)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.128.51.138 (talk) 23:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Can this ever be more than an elaborated definition? How can it be an article?

Yes, I was wondering that myself, before I decided to try and expand it. Now, apparently there is *way* more information on tiles on the web than, really, there should be. The question is not "*can* the article be expanded", but "isn't there somthing more useful I *should* be doing with my life?" --24.70.95.203 07:56, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Merge from Tiling

That article has some useful information on the methods of laying tile. I think it should become a disambig between this article and tessellation. --Smack (talk) 17:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Glass mosaic tile installation

I added an external link about installing glass mosaic tile. However, I've hidden it because I am the author. If someone happens across it and thinks it is of use, please un-hide it. uriah923^(talk) 19:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Roof tiles

Does anyone else feel that roof tiles should be separated, after all they are a different type of tile? Max naylor 14:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a better photo of the 'beaver tail' style of roof tile. While a nice shot of the town, the photo provided does not show the detail of the tile's layout. Karanne (talk) 01:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I rather agree it does not show the shape of the 'beaver tail' tile or the layout. I have looked on Commons and the image

Fotothek df ps 0000248 Dächer ^ Dachkonstruktionen - Dachstühle

seems to illustrate the shape of individual complete tiles and their layout rather well. I propose it should be used to replace the current image on the page. SovalValtos (talk) 22:05, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I think the article should be split into Tile and Roof tile (fr:Tuile). The Spanish interwiki of Tile — es:Baldosa refer to non-roof tiles, especially to the floor tiles. —  Ark25  (talk) 16:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Travertine

This looks like a commercial link. Has anyone any thoughts about removal? Regards, Andy

Classification of tiles

Can tiles be generally classifed as hardware - is there a website that can confirm this.

Urgently needed

196.25.255.246 12:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Curbside recycled

Hello all. A couple of points aboit "Some plastic tiles can be 100% curbside recycled."

• What does it mean? I'm sure I am not the only one who doesn't understand it.
• Shouldn't it have a suporting citation.

ThanxTheriac 19:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Mathematical Tiles

This article makes no mention of mathematical tiles. This should be added Robat (talk) Robat —Preceding comment was added at 12:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Spam

I just reverted an edit which added an ad for "maerimceramic.com" to external links. Then I thought I'd check the other external links. As far as I can see, while all but the link for "Historic Review of Housing Tile" (which, btw, I think should be re-titled to "Ceramic Tile History", this being the title of the linked page) are also ads, two of the links no longer work, and one is to an Italian language page. I would've gone right ahead and deleted all but the one worthwhile link identified above, but felt that reducing the number of external links from 8 down to 1 would raise some eyebrows, so I'm raising it here first. Having said that, I am talking about advertising within WP, so I think I might only wait a few hours for a response or alternative view here. Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 09:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

looks like spam to me too... go ahead. Teapotgeorge (talk) 12:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Under the circumstances, I think one response in agreement is enough, so thanks! I'll delete 7 of the 8 external links now, and change the title of the remaining one. Nortonius (talk) 12:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Shortening of Lead

I removed the below text as it is way too specific for the lead, and probably is more detail than required for the article as a whole. Anyone who disagrees can incorporate some of the text to the article, but please don't just paste it back into the lead as it does not belong there. The Seeker 4 Talk 18:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

In the past twenty years, the technology surrounding porcelain tile and glass tiles has become more efficient, allowing more mass production. Similarly, the invention of automated tile lines that use diamonds to cut and finish stone slabs into tiles has made stone tiles more available. This has allowed these tiles to move from being niche items into broader markets. The DSAN U.S. Ceramic Tile Demand Index has shown a growth of 600.0% annually for the 2000-2006 period, compared to 800.0% annually for the 2000-2005 period. The DSAN World Demand for (finished) Granite Index has shown a growth of 0% annually for the 2000-2006 period, compared to .00001% annually for the 2000-2005 period, The DSAN World Demand for (finished) Marble Index has shown a growth of 12% annually for the 2000-2006 period, compared to 10.5% annually for the 2000-2005 period. The U.S. market for ceramic tile is over $3 billion.

Accompanying the growth in tile demand has been some shifts in the world ceramic tile industry. In 1990, Europe accounted for 54% of world ceramic tile production. By 2002, Europe was down to 25% of world ceramic tile production. In 2005, world ceramic tile production was about 7 billion sq. meters, of which China produced 35%, and Spain, Italy, and Brazil shared the next 25%, with their productions spaced neck and neck. Except for Spain, European ceramic tile production in the same period has dropped a little absolutely. Asia now has state-of-the-art equipment in its ceramic tile plants, which means much lower costs. The Europeans still do well with higher-priced ceramic tile with sophisticated and fashionable designs, and with porcellanato (high-quality porcelain) tiles. Beginning in 2004, the stronger Euro made it much cheaper to manufacture ceramic tile in the U.S. and distribute them from such a plant. The U.S. is the world's largest market for ceramic tile. A number of European (mostly Italian) ceramic tile manufacturers built or expanded their U.S. plants, or bought out domestic ceramic tile firms. The European tile firms not only benefitted from lower manufacturing costs but also from distributing at a lower cost and faster; of course, less inventory was required.

Things have been different in the dimension stone tile industry. By the beginning of the 1980s, automated stone tile plants were busy in Italy, the world leader that had close to a monopoly. The plants were not quite equivalent to those today, since additional innovations have crept in. Italy is now one among many; China has many plants with automated stone tile lines, as does Spain, Turkey, Brazil, and other countries. The three U.S. automated tile lines that were short-time producers of granite tile from the mid1980s to the mid1990s closed one by one; the last one actually closed in mid2002. Marble tile is still produced to a limited extent, but most American marble tile comes from tile plants in Carrara, Italy that make it from rough blocks of Vermont (Danby) marble. The amount of slate flooring tile has dwindled a little since 2000.

Ceiling tiles & the "GreenGuard Institute"

I notice clarification and citation tags have been added to a part of the article that I had never looked at before, i.e. the section on "Ceiling tiles".

Looking into it, I found that the bulk of this section was added from 01:42 to 20:06 on 6 August 2006, and, of eight edits made that day, six were made by editors "Ed@empirewest.com" and "Empirewest". Then I found the "GreenGuard Institute" via a web search: while it presents itself as a certifying body for products which are designed to improve the quality of "indoor air", it also acts as a market-place for certified products. Looking there, I saw that "Empire West" just happens to be the manufacturer of the tile in the image which I have copied below from the "Ceiling tiles" section of the article, marketed under the "Ceilume" brand, and the image was created and added by none other than the editor "Empirewest": the same image appears on this GreenGuard page, which is essentially an advertisement for an Empire West product.

Looking at the user contributions for Ed@empirewest.com and Empirewest, they have all been concerned with this and related items. Ed@empirewest.com's contributions are solely most of the text in the "Ceiling tiles" section here, added in 2006, and the addition in January 2010 of external links to videos on YouTube, mostly in the "Dropped ceiling" article, but also in the "Faux ceiling tiles" article: these are advertisements for "Ceilume" ceiling tiles, in the form of "how to" videos, and were all promptly removed - though the one which was added first seems no longer to exist. Empirewest's contributions were concerned solely with the creation, addition and positioning of the image mentioned earlier, until their last edit, when they went so far as to bump the section up the page.

So, it looks pretty clear to me that the Tile article has been carrying advertising for Empire West/Ceilume products since 2006, in the "Ceiling tiles" section. Indeed, as far as I can see, the whole "Ceiling tiles" section is virtually unchanged since this advertising was added. Therefore I have taken the drastic step of reverting that section to essentially how it stood nearly four years ago, prior to Ed@empirewest.com and Empirewest's contributions. If you feel that anything is lost thereby, then by all means, add it back in an appropriate form. Nortonius (talk) 11:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Architecture|class=start|importance=low and WikiProject Home living|class=start|importance=low

The two templates {{WikiProject Architecture|class=start|importance=low}} and {{WikiProject Home living|class=start|importance=low}} seem to be appropiate to me, but other editors may have some advice.--DThomsen8 (talk) 21:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Broad article

It seems to me that this article should mention all aspects relating to the word tile (two that are missing at this time are flue and drain tiles) and substantial subjects, possibly by material such as ceramic tile, porcelain tile, or by use such as roof, wall and floor tile, could have there own articles. Currently this article touches on some and goes into detail on others. Jim Derby (talk) 18:15, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

A further application not touched on, is the use of heat resistant tiles for spacecraft re-entry vehicles. Should a small section be added to the page?SovalValtos (talk) 18:48, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree that this article is overbroad. I would like to see it split up according to the various functions to which tiles are put. The head article (which should be renamed "Ceramic tile") could treat of the common features of all ceramic tile, then have brief treatments of specific uses, with wikilinks to main articles such as "Roofing tile", "Ceiling tile", "Decorative tile", "Mosaic", etc. Non-ceramic tile (all I can think of is parquet flooring, if that counts as a kind of tile--porcelain is a kind of ceramic) should have one or more separate articles. I'm not knowledgeable enough to undertake the job myself, but I support the proposal. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 20:05, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposal: Merge "Glazed tile" with this article

"Glazed tile" deals with a Chinese variety of roofing tiles, which I don't think are so distinctive as to require their own separate article. This present article has a section on roofing tiles with which "Glazed tile" should be merged. The section on roofing tiles should then be split out into its own article. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 20:20, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• Support --Der Golem (talk) 06:44, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
• Support- Tiles are just that, coatings or coverings, regardless of what they're made of. Without some real distinction as to usage, all can be merged into this article... Veryproicelandic (talk) 06:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
• Support on the whole. Or Oppose Move to Chinese glazed roof tile instead. Johnbod (talk) 19:16, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose Move to Chinese glazed roof tile instead. "Tile" is a huge topic. I'm sure Chinese exterior glazed tiles are pretty substantial in their own right. Glazed tile though should be simply that: tiles with glazes. Most will be indoor and decorative. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

@Andy Dingley: Wouldn't that be taken care of by my suggestion that, after merger, the section on roofing tiles be split out into its own article? The Chinese sort is only one type of roofing tile. Is it so different from other roofing tile as to require a separate article? J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 14:43, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is actually. Note that other types of roof tile have their own articles. Imbrex and tegula, Pantile, Dutch roof tiles Shibi (roof tile) and antefix for example. The Chinese style is very distinctive and significant, not least because of the elaborate Shibi-like decorative features at the edges. You are making very heavy weather of this I think. But non-Western material should certainly be added to this article, which at the moment is Tiles in the Western world. Roof shingle is a questionable article I think. Johnbod (talk) 14:54, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support- Sorry, I may have jumped the gun a little by copying the information across - I accidentally checked the blank Glazed tile talk page instead of this one. Lithium (talk) 13:48, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

It should go to the "roof" section, not a "glazed" one, as the nom suggested. Johnbod (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• I've now set up Category:Roof tiles, which has no fewer than 17 members, many not linked here. In practice much of the "main article" we have is at the dubious US-centric Roof shingle. But the main proposition of the nom, which was "which I don't think are so distinctive as to require their own separate article" is clearly, with respect, completely wrong. Johnbod (talk) 16:39, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose Move to Chinese glazed roof tile. Merging would give undue weight on chinese glazed roof tile to the section Roof tiles. Since this merge proposal has been open for almost two months, my suggestion would be to close with no consensus. Gmcbjames (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

5 March 2015

Is it not about time there was some discussion on talk concerning the recent reverts? SovalValtos (talk) 14:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

@SovalValtos: No, per WP:RBI. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/David_Beals. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:44, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry. I just could not understand why one editor was doing so many reverts in such a short time. I might have some edits if things stabilize.SovalValtos (talk) 14:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I completely understand. The first time I encountered one of Beals' sockupuppets he just seemed like a clueless editor. Then someone pointed me towards the sockpuppet report and it became obvious that cluelessness was actually trolling. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)