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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 2.121.226.6 (talk) at 11:41, 23 December 2015 (→Edit Request: The Husbands of River Song). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Featured listList of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present) is a featured list, which means it has been identified as one of the best lists produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
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Edit Request

The colour for Series 9 in the Series Overview box needs to be changed to match the Series 9 table. 5.65.166.226 (talk) 19:31, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done The Series 9 table's colour was changed to reflect the new artwork. Alex|The|Whovian 22:51, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Serials" vs episodes

Good morning. Why is the List of Doctor Who serials named just that when every other series / show is name "List of xxx episodes"? It seems inconsistent to me, so I'd propose a rename. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Towe96 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please search and check the archives for already-closed discussions identical to this, and you will find your answer. There are now links at the header of this page that link directly to these discussions. Alex|The|Whovian 12:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your answer, Alex. Though I do not think that the 2005 series should have to carry the burden of the old series' format, I guess that's just the way it'll be for all these nostalgic people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Towe96 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you should spend more time doing simple research about this show rather than claiming that the revived series shouldn't "carry the burden of the old series' format", whatever that means. BlueBlue11 (talk) 20:43, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please remain civil, and when commenting, contribute to the discussion. In reply to Towe96's comment, please read the past discussions - the new series' covers less than a quarter of the entire programme. Alex|The|Whovian 00:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ninth Doctor and Tenth Doctor episode titles

Just a heads up. I've noticed that the Ninth Doctor episode titles and the Tenth Doctor episode titles for Series 4 and the specials have been replaced with silly names. It appears that this has been the case since 27 December 2014, which appears to be around the time of a major re-formatting of the page. Just thought it was strange that it hasn't been spotted in almost 12 months. Nothing else appears to have been discombobulated as far as I can see. GeneralClaudius (talk) 19:36, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think they're all fixed now. Ratemonth (talk) 19:56, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@GeneralClaudius: Huh? A year? You mean today? The edits were only just implemented today, as per Special:Diff/695669272 and Special:Contributions/85.150.100.188. Alex|The|Whovian 23:36, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request: The Husbands of River Song

"The Husbands of River Song" is included in the Series 9 boxset[1], and therefore should be listed under Series 9. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 17:43, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's well documented that series 9 only has 12 episodes--all of which has aired. This goes all the way back to the first Christmas special which was not part of series 1 or series 2 but was included in the series 2 box set. DonQuixote (talk) 17:48, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well actually, including "Last Christmas" Series 9 has 13 episodes. Christmas specials are grouped with the series they were released on DVD/Blu-ray with, hence the majority of Christmas specials are listed under the following series. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 17:54, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. Technically, Christmas specials are their own things and don't really belong with any series, but the article groups them with the individual series according to the box sets. I stand corrected, and I have to say that I'm neutral on the matter. DonQuixote (talk) 18:17, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The Husbands of River Song" is included in the Series 9 boxset[2], and therefore needs to be listed under Series 9. Consensus has been reached in the above section. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 19:46, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's hardly consensus; there is you and one neutral. I would really like some more input. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 21:17, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I realise that, but consensus is unnecessary, there can be no argument, "The Husbands of River Song" is included on the Series 9 boxset, and the way it works is that Christmas specials are grouped with the series they were released on DVD/Blu-ray with. By reverting my edits, you are being disruptive, as you are removing information with no grounds. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 21:21, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That has not always been the case; we also look at production blocks for instance, which negates DVD releases. So i'd like some more input before we change this. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 21:31, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No we don't, we list the Christmas special production block under the series it is grouped with based on boxsets. Anyway, this year's Christmas special was filmed in September closer to the filming of Series 9 than Series 10, which is thought to be beginning filming in May 2016. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 21:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Read this: List of Doctor Who home video releases#cite_note-christmas-257. Alex|The|Whovian 23:16, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That is only the case if the Christmas special is released on DVD/Blu-ray with the following series, it does not negate boxsets. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 11:04, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please bring up the alleged discussion where it was decided to list them as they're grouped by their DVD releases. Alex|The|Whovian 11:13, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't need to provide a discussion to prove my point, we do not list Christmas specials under the following series regardless of boxsets, if this were the case then "The Time of the Doctor" would be listed under Series 8. If we don't group by boxsets how do we group? No reason why it shouldn't be listed under Series 9 has been provided. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 11:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You claimed that "the way it works is that Christmas specials are grouped with the series they were released on DVD/Blu-ray with". For something like this to have been decided, there must have been a discussion and consensus on it here on Wikipedia, else this is simply you forcing your opinion of layout without anything to back it. "The Time of the Doctor" was described as a 2013 Special, hence its inclusion where it currently is. There have been several reasons - first and foremost, Christmas Specials are listed as introductory to a series, unless it has already been categorized into a Specials section. Alex|The|Whovian 11:55, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why should a Christmas special be considered the introduction to a series if it has no connection to it? The majority of past Christmas specials are listed under the following series because they were released on DVD/Blu-ray with it. There is no reason not to list "The Husbands of River Song" under Series 9. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 12:07, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Easier, tidier, and makes more sense. Correction: The majority of past Christmas specials are listed under the following series because they are introductory to the series (e.g. "The Christmas Invasion" is introductory to and leads into Series 2, just as "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe" is to Series 7). The fact that they were released on the same box-sets is an irrelevant coincidence. Alex|The|Whovian 12:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since when is that the rule? 2.121.226.6 (talk) 12:24, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Has been pretty much since this page was changed from individual tables (where specials had their own tables) that were separate to the series pages, to transcluding the tables directly from the series pages. Alex|The|Whovian 12:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide a discussion where this was decided? 2.121.226.6 (talk) 12:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This has been discussed before. My attempt to broach the issue of an episode being listed in a series that comes after it. Talk:Doctor_Who_(series_9)/Archive_1#Why_is_Last_Christmas_part_of_this_series. In that case, the contradiction of having the first line of the article saying "The ninth series of the British science fiction television programme Doctor Who premiered on 19 September 2015" and "Last Christmas" listed as the first episode in the table in the article. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Last Christmas" is not, actually, listed as the first episode of the series, nor claimed to be. As per List of Doctor Who serials#Series 9 (2015), check the second column entitled "Episode": "Last Christmas" is labeled with a –, and "The Magician's Apprentice" is #1. Alex|The|Whovian 12:42, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) "I don't need to provide a discussion to prove my point". Besides, the links for the archives exist on this page for a reason. Alex|The|Whovian 12:40, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That discussion states that the likely hood of "Last Christmas" being included on the boxset as reason enough to list "Last Christmas" under Series 9, but now boxsets are irrelevant? The discussion you provided does not prove your point but mine. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 12:48, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How does "Last Christmas" act as an introduction to Series 9? It ties up several Series 8 themes such as Clara and Danny's relationship, and "Death in Heaven" leads directly into it. How exactly does it lead into Series 9? BlueBlue11 (talk) 13:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That is a point, it doesn't contain any Series 9 themes but it does contain Series 8 themes, it seems as though the only thing keeping under Series 9 is its inclusion on the boxset. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 13:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

referring to my earlier comment, I meant "first episode in table" as first listed entry in the table not listed as first episode of Series 9. But I'll rephrase, how about "the contradiction of Series 9 starting on premiered on 19 September 2015, and "Last Christmas" being in the article on Series 9". GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the Christmas special as an introduction to the series without being part of it made sense and worked back when each series began in Spring and you had a coming soon trailer for it at the end of the Christmas special, but now each series begins in Autumn and subsequently there is no coming soon trailer at the end of the Christmas special and it is followed by an 8–9 month gap before the next series, it would make sense to list Christmas specials under the previous series. 2.121.226.6 (talk) 14:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So, now we're no longer debating on the inclusion of "The Husbands of River Song", but of "Last Christmas"? Alex|The|Whovian 02:18, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In that it's a Christmas special and we are discussing how Christmas specials are grouped with the series, it is related. Are both "Last Christmas" and "The Husbands..." part of 9? GraemeLeggett (talk) 09:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, gotchya. No. Alex|The|Whovian 10:28, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So what about my proposition above? 2.121.226.6 (talk) 11:41, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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