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Plagiarism

I've read the Wikipedia essentials and wanted some clarity on this topic. I have come across wiki entries that contain quotations of what individuals said. Now, this is a violation, correct? It would be documented as cited plagiarism?Wizpig10 (talk) 20:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey Wizpig10. Short quotations are usually insufficient in length to violate policy on copyright, but excessively lengthy quotations may very well need to be removed. Also, it's only plagiarism if someone claims to have written it themselves, not if they have a quote identified as a quote in a way that would be obvious to the reader, such as using quotation marks or block quotations. But these should always be clearly identified and sourced. TimothyJosephWood 20:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Wonderful, thank you for the clarification. The entry that I've read had a quote that exceed 50 words, so I figured that was a bit too lengthy.Wizpig10 (talk) 20:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

What happens when...?

I have found two websites recently that I was going to cite as sources for a Wiki article, but it turns out THEY may have copied from Wiki (because they were written after the original Wiki text). If no other source of the quote or verbiage is found, should Wiki be changed anyway? RM2KX (talk) 23:22, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@RM2KX: Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks says they are not reliable sources, so it's best to not use mirrors (sites that copy from Wikipedia) as sources. —MRD2014 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Why when i translate a pg must write Draft:

why when i translate romania - english must need write Draft: first? Silviu200530 (talk) 19:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey Silviu200530. I don't mean to be rude, but it seems very possible that your proficiency level in English may not yet quite be at the point where you can make large contributions on the English Wikipedia on the scale of translating entire articles. TimothyJosephWood 20:59, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

User:Silviu200530 - First, I am not entirely sure that I understand the question. You are allowed to translate articles from the Romanian Wikipedia into English directly into article space, but they should be in good English. You should not have links from articles in article space into draft space. You might consider contributing to the Romanian Wikipedia, since, as Timothyjosephwood says, you seem to be having difficulty with English. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:05, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Silviu200530. I always advise people to create new articles in Draft space unless they are very sure that they can write them first time to a satisfactory standard (which not many people can do). --ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Creating my own page

Good day :) I would like to create my own page but keeps giving me errors :)

Leighton Pearson 18:19, 1 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leighton James Pearson (talk • contribs)

Hi. Wikipedia is not intended for writing an article about yourself. You can however create your user page by clicking the "Edit this page" tab at the top, subject to certain rules. The rules are here.Charles (talk) 18:24, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

follow up to: YouTube link doesn't start at time 0

Hi again, and thanks again for explaining how to get a youtube video to start at a particular time point. It may become my second favorite wiki code after emjois . There are many excellent images shown on copyrighted videos. I know how to get screenshots from public, say NIH, videos onto the commons as images, but that is illegal for most videos. Is there a way to insert some wiki code that will not only point to a specific time of a video, but have the video screen at that time displayed as a still image on the wp page? As a specific example, the frame at 485 seconds into this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwu_djYMm3w&t=485s shows a petri plate showing the plaques (the clear circles) produced by the first synthetic virus, which would be cool to show in the synthetic life section, in which I have referenced the entire video. Yes, I think that I'm pushing the limits of wp policies, but maybe I'm not the first and this issue has been resolved in the past. As always, thanks again! DennisPietras (talk) 18:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, DennisPietras. I don't know if there is anything special about videos; but I do know that Wikipedia intentionally will not display images unless they have been uploaded to Wikipedia or Commons; so I would expect that a fortiori it will not display videos or stills from videos unless they have been uploaded. In any case, if the video cannot be displayed for copyright reasons, nor can a still from it (unless it meets all the criteria in WP:NFCC). --ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

creating my first article

i would like to get some feedback on how my first draft is looking and if it will stand the test of editors...i'm a bit confused about how to add in the references and the links. is there somewhere I can discuss it with other(s) so that i can make necessary changes before I submit? i've read many of the beginner's resources on how to make the article, but find it confusing still. thanks. 2606:6000:C34E:D000:177:A429:1D86:5B1D (talk) 17:43, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

2606: if you're confused about adding references, I would advise strongly against trying to create a new article, which is a far more difficult task. You can learn about referencing here. Maproom (talk) 18:05, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

My name is Leonard Trubia, core member of The League of Imaginary Scientists. I believe that my first "article" is deleted because it is replicated on our Collective Art site. Please clarify how I can remedy this situation. As an artist I both value and rely on wikipedia.

Sincerely, Leonard Trubia Leonardtrubia (talk) 17:17, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Leonard. The one and only edit you've ever made is this posting here. Can you clarify what you are asking please? John from Idegon (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

User:John from Idegon - This is the only surviving edit that User:Leonardtrubia has made, not their only edit. They are correct that they posted an article which was "replicated", that is, copied from, their web site, and were warned that it was subject to speedy deletion as copyright violation. The answers to their question are: first, don't copy copyrighted material to Wikipedia, even if you hold the copyright; second, don't try to use Wikipedia for an autobiography or otherwise to promote a profit or non-profit organization with which you are associated, as explained in the conflict of interest guideline. Many new editors think that it is all right to copy material from a web site or elsewhere to Wikipedia because they have the copyright. It isn't that simple. We do not host copyrighted material unless it has been released under a copyleft, and most web site owners and other copyright holders do not want to do this. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Is there a place to suggest articles for moving?

Similarly to "Articles for deletion". Verified Cactus (talk) 15:48, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

User:VerifiedCactus Yes, it's at WP:RM. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:58, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Verified Cactus (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Where to place a citation in a sentence

Hi,

I am new... just a quick Q

I am cleaning up/adding to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qader_Al_Rais

In the following sentence I am wondering about the correct place to locate the citation

During 2016, Al Rais art pieces were included in a group exhibition in Berlin, entitled Art Nomads - Made in the Emirates[8]

The source states all of the info in the sentence above, but should the citation maybe be placed a bit earlier in the sentence?

Thanks

Arty Giovanni (talk) 15:24, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Arty Giovanni Putting it at the end of the sentence implies that it supports the whole sentence. If it is placed somewhere in the middle of the sentence it does not support the part after the cite. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

For example, let's say [source] supports the statement that the sky is blue. Here's how it might look, depending on how it's used.

The sky is blue.[source] ... or,

The sky is blue,[source] but so is the ocean.

--McDoobAU93 15:35, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

New to wikipedia community, so not sure where to post this:

Preemptive strike /guess that on Monday, February 20 ... Washington's Birthday will get a lot of hits =) because President's Day redirects there. It's currently a start-class article. Also, question would be: where would I post messages like, so that people who might care will actually see it? Popcrate (talk) 14:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Popcrate. Not sure what you're asking. The article seems to have plenty of substance, so the fact that it is rated as "start class" just means that nobody has rated it yet. Few people will notice this, since few people even know that talk pages exist. But if you're concerned, since it's Start class in WikiProject HOlidays, WT:WikiProject Holidays would be the place to bring it up. --ColinFine (talk) 15:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia Popcrate! Unfortunately ColinFine is correct, most of the WikiProject article ratings are outdated or incorrect - it's also important to note, as I learned recently, that "start-class" is the default - many editors will tag the Talk page with the WikiProject template, and just leave the default rating, which stays regardless of the article's quality. A much better way to gauge quality is to see if the article uses reliable sources, is verifiable, and if it is complete; that is what users will be doing. WikiProjects here are entirely optional, as is their ranking system. For some topics they are more useful than for others. For many topics, the corresponding WikiProject has in some cases been inactive for years. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

OK just had my first EDIT CONFLICT =D ! Thanks fcolin... I'm going to copy-pasta this before I lose it from my clipboard and forget my train of thought... Thanks for the tip about the projects, Quick questions: Who usually rates articles? And: Is there an external place that the community usually chats? Or is mostly everything internal through WP:COM and Talk pages? Popcrate (talk) 15:34, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@Popcrate: As far as WikiProjects are concerned...typically no one rates new articles. For the more active WikiProjects, you can ask on the talk page of the project for your article to be rated, and someone might come around and do so, and also furnish you with some advice for improvement. But WikiProjects are not a primary way that feedback is given to editors on Wikipedia: ratings most often come from WP:Peer review, from the good article nomination process, and for the top of the foodchain, the featured article process.

To your second query, where do we chat...hmm...the Teahouse is a good place for questions, as is WP:HD. If you want to help establish consensus, that should be done on article Talk pages, and for many articles, via WP:RFC. There is also a live chat, its info is at WP:IRC. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 15:38, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot to mention, there's also the WP:VILLAGEPUMP! But you might want to see also WP:NOTSOCIAL and its brother WP:NOTFORUM. General chit-chat is not a goal of Wikipedia, all discussions should be centered around improving the encyclopedia. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 15:48, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for more info Psiĥedelisto ! Popcrate (talk) 15:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

(163693) Atira infobox

Hi, 163693 Atira has a moon! see this announcement. how do I add this information in the infobox ? Thanks Golan's mom 11:35, 1 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by אמא של גולן (talk • contribs)

Hello. 16393 Atira uses {{infobox planet}}, which according to its documentation has an argument |satellites = . You just 'edit source' the article, and add that to the infobox. אמא של גולן (ping added at the end, because the RTL text gets confused if I put it before the Wikilink at the beginning)--ColinFine (talk) 15:16, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Uploading an image to an article

I'm creating a page for a person. I would like to upload an image of them to their 'infobox' but I'm having trouble understanding how to do this // why what I'm doing isn't working.

I used this template,

{{Infobox MP | honorific-prefix = | name = Diane Abbott | honorific-suffix = | image = Diane Abbott low quality.jpg | alt = 50ish woman in black, with a bright red scarf, large black-and-white earrings and glasses, smiling and holding a microphone in one hand and a sheet of paper in the other | constituency_MP = Hackney North and Stoke Newington | parliament = United Kingdom | majority = 7,427 (25.3%) | predecessor = Ernie Roberts | successor = | term_start = 11 June 1987 | term_end = | birth_date = (1953-09-27) September 27, 1953 | birth_place = Paddington, London | death_date = | death_place = | nationality = British | spouse = | party = Labour | relations = | children = | residence = | alma_mater = Newnham College, Cambridge | occupation = | profession = | religion = | signature = | signature_alt = | website = | footnotes =

But cannot get the photo to stick...

Previously I tried to use the icon under the 'edit source' page called, 'embedded file', but I was continuously met with a message that denies my image because of copy-rights...

Some help would be great, thanks!

Edwinreik (talk) 10:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Are you talking about Draft:Fulvio Martusciello? If so there are two problems. Firstly you put a url rather than a Wikipedia file name into the "|image" parameter. Secondly, and more importantly from a legal point of view, you appear to have uploaded File:Fulvio_Martusciello.png to Commons as if it were free from copyright, but the image is taken from an internet page which says "© 2015-16 Fulvio Martusciello ... Tutti i diritti riservati". --David Biddulph (talk) 11:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that page is the one that I'm working on putting together. As for the image, I didn't mean to post it and once I figure out how to remove it I'd be glad to. Thanks for the heads up. I am very new to this...

So, in order to link a picture to the article I am writing, it should first be on Wikipedia? I will look for an appropriate wikipedia file name. Any further suggestions would be helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edwinreik (talk • contribs) 11:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Edwinreik. Wikipedia will never display an image from elsewhere on the web: it must first have been uploaded either to Wikipedia or (preferably) to Wikimedia Commons. Copyright images are not acceptable unless either the copyright holder explicitly releases them under a compatible licence, or their use meets all of the criteria in WP:non-free content criteria. Please see Help:Upload. --ColinFine (talk) 15:08, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@Edwinreik: Images are displayed in exactly the same way whether they are uploaded to Commons or the English Wikipedia. The image failed to display in [1] because you wrote image = https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Fulvio_Martusciello.png instead of image = Fulvio Martusciello.png. It's a different problem that commons:File:Fulvio Martusciello.png is copyrighted and should not have been uploaded or used at all. Commons doesn't allow images without a free license. Wikipedia only allows them under fair use criteria which are not satisfied for your image. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:09, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I see that David Biddulph had nominated that file for deletion; but since it's a clear and unambiguous copyvio, I've also requested speedy deletion of it. Please feel free to undo that if you disagree, David (well, or anyone else, really). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

photo

How do I upload a photo which is already online at WIKI? The subject is the Dutch composer Joep Franssens and the page is the English version Or perhpas sombody can do this for me Thanks IekeIekevanderHuijzen 08:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by IekevanderHuijzen (talk • contribs)

Hello, IekevanderHuijzen, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to use a photo that you find on another language Wikiproject, you don't need to upload it again, since most files are centrally hosted at Wikimedia Commons, which all projects share. You probably mean the file File:Joep Franssens.jpg. To use it, simply follow the instructions here: Wikipedia:Picture tutorial – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:14, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

trying to write an article about a local business, gets declined for being written like an advertisment

Can i get some help with my new article submission, iv written an article about a new local company using sources from both the company and other companies online but it has been rejected twice, the second time the comment said it has nothing notable in it. Can you help me understand how to make the article noteable and not an advertisment? Mikeoram (talk) 08:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Mikeoram, and welcome to the Teahouse. Notability is not about the way the article is written; it is about the subject. The subject is "notable" (in WIkipedia's special meaning of the term) when there is a substantial body of work in independent, reliable sources that discusses it in detail. If you follow the blue links that are in the messages on your talk page, they will take you to articles that describe the interpretation of "reading more like an advertisement" vs being "written from a neutral point of view", and how it needs to refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources so that the article can show the notability of the subject. --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:34, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Moved from previous section, likely misplaced: GermanJoe (talk) 14:47, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

ah okay, understood. does that mean that you cannot post if there are not currently any independant reliable published sources? As the company I am trying ti post about is fairly new it does not have much of a brand yet. Mikeoram (talk) 11:40, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Mikeoram:, generally yes. Startups and relatively new companies are often not "notable" (in Wikipedia's sense of the term), as they often lack in-depth coverage in independent reliable sources. However, if such sources exist, an article can be written no matter how new the company is. GermanJoe (talk) 14:47, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Citing All Items in a List

If I have made a list of people who were part of an organization, and all of them are verifiable by the same source, where is the right place to place the citation--after the first item in the list, the last, or at the title of/introduction to the list? RM2KX (talk) 03:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi RM2KX. Where is the case? It may depend on the layout, e.g. at the end of a sentence with a comma-separated list, below a table with list items in rows, and after the introduction to a list with separate lines for items. If the latter case has no introduction then you may have to add one. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Right here. Footnote 9 identifies all four people, but it looks like it may only verify the contribution of the last person listed. Thanks! RM2KX (talk) 04:55, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, RM2KX. There is a simple technique that allows you to assign a name to a reference, and then invoke it multiple times in the article. But the reference only appears once in the reference list. For details, please read WP:REFNAME. This technique would be perfect in this situation, in my opinion. To see the technique in use, take a look at an article I wrote, Harry Yount, where I used one reference 23 times. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:53, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I got a security message when i test a website i added on the external links section of an article.

I am trying to add a website on the External Links section of one article (Tarapoto airport in Peru). After finishing typing it and when I try to test if it works, I get a security message that say the website it is not safe. When I try to reach the website independently of the wikipedia, it works. So, I do not know what is wrong. Inca12 (talk) 03:16, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Inca12. I'm not sure what security message you got, so I can't reply specifically. But I will note that a compromised website may "work" (display correctly) while still doing nefarious things like injecting malware into your browser. --ColinFine (talk) 15:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

YouTube link doesn't start at time 0

Hi again folks! There is a YouTube video that I (as a science geek) think is terrific. While viewing it, I stopped it at the 23 minute mark to generate a URL which I included in an "external links" section of one article, which is cool. Now, I have inserted it as a reference (#48 currently) in Synthetic biology. I want the video in Synthetic biology to begin at 0 time, yet it starts at the later time stamp. sigh. I'm going to include the link here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwu_djYMm3w&t=1334s, to see if it does the same thing here. Can any of you please tell me how to get it to start at 0? Also, can any of you tell me why we don't have a "show preview" option when asking a question here? Thanks, DennisPietras (talk) 02:55, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi DennisPietras. &t=1334s in the url asks YouTube to start playing at time = 1334 seconds (22 minutes 14 seconds). You can simply remove it from the url. Never include a t= parameter in YouTube links unless there is a good reason to skip the start. The Teahouse has a special optional script for making posts here. It has some guidance for new users but omits many of the normal features. You can get them by using the normal edit links instead. We place new posts at top. You can for example start a new section by clicking "edit" at the first section and write your post above the existing text with ==...== around the heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:23, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Wow, that was perfectly clear and I feel perfectly silly for not noticing the time stmp at the end of the URL. Duh! Thank you DennisPietras (talk) 03:53, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

My Host Page

I made a typo on my Username for my Host profile. How can I change it?Bluespikez14 (talk) 23:03, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Bluespikez14. Teahouse hosts are expected to have a comprehensive understanding of Wikipedia's major policies and guidelines. Since you only have 18 edits so far, I do not think that you are prepared to take on that role. You are welcome to ask questions here about editing at any time, though. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:12, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@Bluespikez14: Your post is no longer on the Host profiles so the typo is irrelevant now. You are welcome to use the Guest profiles link instead. That's for new users and others asking questions. Note Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:34, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Solicitation for additional feedback on COI request

Editor Devopam recommended I come to the Teahouse for help. Devopam and I were discussing my edit request on the Lubrizol Talk page. The editor said he did not think my request could be made, but later said, "I may be wrong in my assessment so I will leave it to some other editor to work on this rather". I have since posted notes on WikiProjects Companies, Ohio, Technology and Cleveland, yet I have not received responses. Are there any other venues you would recommend that I (as a COI editor) request a review? Because of my conflict, I am keeping my involvement on Talk pages. Thanks for any help. Lz maor (Talk · COI--Lubrizol employee) 21:40, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Lz maor and welcome to Teahouse. Thank you Devopam for referring Lz maor here. I am not the best person to judge where a review of the article Lubrizol might be conducted. However, looking at the article, I concur that it is in need of revision. I am not certain that material currently included should be removed. Nevertheless some information is redundant, and the article should be expanded significantly considering the number of Lubrizol's employees, the scale of its operations, and its coverage in the media. For instance a brief search on LexisNexis Academic demonstrates that there are over 900 references to Lubrizol in readily available media sources. -Darouet (talk) 03:18, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

How to replace an image, how to validate my edit on the James the Cat page

Hello Soni I'm just learning my way around the Wikipedia page for James the Cat. I'm the creator & director of the James the cat series and can see that the page badly needs major corrections and updating. How do I replace the image that's been uploaded to the page? Also how do can I validate that I'm a reputable source of information? Thank you. Best wishes Kate Canning Chalcot38 (talk) 21:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Since we have no way to verify your identity, being creator and director doesn't help, in fact you are required to declare a WP:Conflict of interest in editing here. Having said that, you are in an ideal position to spot any errors, so please suggest corrections on the talk page, and provide references to WP:Reliable sources so that the information can be verified. Is your image copyright? Dbfirs 21:50, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Chalcot38. You're very welcome to make suggestions for improving the article on its talk page. The more specific you can make them, and the better referenced they are, the more attractive it will be for a volunteer editor to consider them. As matter of policy, every piece of information in a Wikipedia article should be supported by a reliable published source: personal recollections and other unpublished information is never acceptable; and self-published information only in limited ways. (Since the current article contains no references at all, it could be deleted at any time.) It is worth drawing attention to your suggestions by adding {{edit request}} to them (with the double curly brackets): this puts them on a list of such requests.

The existing image is used as a "fair use" image, complying with all Wikipedia's non-free content criteria. It would be welcome for you to replace (or supplement) it by other images from the series; but Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and requires that the images are not just permitted to Wikipedia, but licensed in a way that anybody may reuse them for any purpose, though with proper attribution. If you hold the copyright to some images from the series, you are able, if you choose, to license them accordingly, and can do so as you upload them. If you do not, but the copyright holder is willing, then they can follow one of the courses of action in donating copyright materials. Please see Help:Upload for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Colin

Your information has been very helpful. I'll follow through the WP COI and clarify the copyright situation. If my suggested updates are accepted, I'll update a better image of JTC with the correct copyright attribution. Thanks again Kate Chalcot38 (talk) 23:33, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

"Wikipedia isn't for business listings"

The person who rejected my article simply said her reason for doing so was because my article was about a business. Since there are thousands of wiki pages about businesses, I do not understand why my article could be rejected simply because it is about a business. I received all of my information from either the business's website or from interviews with the employees and founders of the establishment. Please help me figure out what I did wrong. AllyMP17 (talk) 21:29, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, your business website and interviews with connected people are not independent sources. You need to find sources where the business has been written about in newspapers and other WP:Reliable sources. You also have a WP:Conflict of interest in creating an article about your own business. There is some advice on your talk page. Dbfirs 21:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

It isn't my business? And their website doesn't count as a reliable source? AllyMP17 (talk) 22:07, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

For uncontroversial claims about the business, it can be reliable, AllyMP17, but you need significant coverage in independent sources to demonstrate notability. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:13, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Apologies for my assumption, but you still have a conflict of interest if you work for or have some connection with the business. I said "independent", not "reliable", but please read Larry's link above for clarification. Also, websites are regularly created for fake businesses, though I'm not suggesting that this applies here. If the source of some of your information was personal interviews with the founders, then this is WP:Original research. Dbfirs 22:19, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi AllyMP17, welcome to the Teahouse. It is important for Wikipedia editors to work based on the established policies. This also means, sometimes, that certain terms (such as 'reliable sources') means something different in general than on Wikipedia. If you read some of the links that Dbfirs left, you'll see that for example for Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Here at Wikipedia, reliable sources means that the sources are published, that cover all majority and significant minority views (see also Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). Some types of sources are especially considered as not reliable for the purposes of Wikipedia. This includes self-published sources; the website of a business, which presents information about itself, is considered as a self-published source, and therefore not sufficient to meet Wikipedia's standards. There are many other types of sources which are not sufficient, including blogs and sources with a poor reputation for fact checking. Please also note that if you're creating a new article, there are certain, stricter, requirements which must be met (including the aforementioned Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and the General notability guidelines. I hope this answers your question about the sources that will be needed.--talk2Chun^{(talk) (contributions)} 22:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in anything which a subject (whether a company, a person, a band, a charity, or anything else) says or wants to say about itself. That includes the subject's own publications, and also anything published by an independent source but based on an interview or press release from the subject. An article should be largely based on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. In any case, every single fact or claim in an article should be derived from a published reliable source. Please see WP:V for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

ResearchGate Reliability

Is ResearchGate (https://www.researchgate.net/) or the articles posted upon it considered to be a reliable source of 2nd or 3rd party information? AWearerOfScarves (talk) 20:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, AWearerOfScarves. It appears that ResearchGate is a social network for scientists, so therefore, content on that site itself would not be considered a reliable source for anything except the personal opinion of a scientist who posted there. I am sure that the site includes vast numbers of links to other reliable sources, though. Accordingly, it should be useful for doing preliminary research on a topic. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Please read WP:SELFPUB for further guidance. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:04, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

If an article has been published (e.g. in a journal) and subsequently posted on ResearchGate, then cite the published version, AWearerOfScarves. If it's on ResearchGate but hasn't been published (e.g. it's a draft), then it probably shouldn't be used as a source. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:36, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

what is an addlestone

what is an addlestone 85.255.233.206 (talk) 18:14, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

A town in England? TimothyJosephWood 18:17, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

What's the best way of archiving cited pages?

Have we got a good way of ensuring cited pages are archived yet? I'm rather concerned that Trump may cause many citations to become invalid and this may extend to places the government has contracts with and universities. Unfortunately archive.org will block old archives if subsequently a robot protection is put on the site denying access. I can see the point of that but it has no means of getting a review of the requirement for specific sites or archives. Also of course it would be better if there was a foreign mirror. Dmcq (talk) 17:18, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey Dmcq. This seems like it may be a better discussion for Wikipedia:Village pump. They're a little more suited to complex or highly technical issues. TimothyJosephWood 17:34, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Does that mean we haven't got any straightforward system of doing the job or know of a good reliable archive site yet? That's bad. I know I looked at this a couple of years ago and people were talking about it but I do feel we're rather getting to crunch time. Dmcq (talk) 17:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@Dmcq: WebCite and Archive.is are good alternatives. WebCite only checks robots.txt at the time of archiving, but it's vulnerable to DMCA takedown requests. Archive.is ignores robots.txt entirely and is hosted outside the US, so it's probably your best bet. I also came across a manual archiving project, which looks intriguing. More on the subject at Web archiving and List of Web archiving initiatives. Hope that helps. clpo13_(talk) 17:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much for that, I'll look them up. I should have checked there was an page on Wikipedia itself about the subject!. Dmcq (talk) 18:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

#1111

hey guys , thank you for your support .But as a rookie,i have many questions. Kindly help me. How long will it take for my article to get accepted? It shows that 509 articles ( drafts) need to be seen and decided. So, how long will it take ?

I want an aprroximate/estimated answer if you guys know.

And can i put a profile photo? if not why? cause i have seen editors having photos here in the teahouse. please discuss fast here and let me know. jordan (talk) 15:29, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey jordan. Welcome back. I have declined the draft in your sandbox as it duplicates an already existing article, RPG Maker. If you have additional content and sources, you should improve the existing article, rather than attempting to make a new duplicate one.

As to adding pictures, if you own the rights to the image, which usually means you were the one who took the photograph, you can upload the image to https://commons.wikimedia.org. Click the Upload button and following the instructions, indicating that you own the copyright to the image and it is your original work. Instructions for how to include a photograph in pages once it is uploaded can be found at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. TimothyJosephWood 15:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures

Hello guys I want to know that how can I upload picture in my User Page or change head pictures in the Different wikipedia articles I suggest users not to list the link this and that thanks :-) :-) Sawongam (talk) 13:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey Sawongam. Welcome back. The first thing you have to establish when uploading a picture is whether you have the rights to use it. The easiest way to know if you own the rights to an image is whether you actually took the photo yourself. If this is the case, you can usually go ahead and upload the picture by visiting https://commons.wikimedia.org and hitting the big blue "upload" button. Then follow the directions it gives you.

If you didn't take the picture yourself, it can get very legally complicated to tell whether it is usable on Wikipedia, and the answer to your question will very much depend on what picture you are talking about, and where it came from. TimothyJosephWood 14:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks bro but I did'nt found the the big "upload" button in the https://commons.wikimedia.org Can you tell me where is it located ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SawOnGam (talk • contribs) 03:07, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Top right-hand corner, to the right of the menu items "Images", "Sounds", and "Videos". --David Biddulph (talk) 04:01, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

most of the newly added information for the American Name Society deleted

Can someone please give me answers to the following questions: 1.) why was the detailed information about the American Name Society deleted?; 2.) what changes need to be made to have the information restored?; 3.) what is the proper procedure for adding new information to the site?91.35.28.38 (talk) 13:10, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello anon. It looks like the information was removed mainly because it was a violation of our copyright policy. Information added to Wikipedia has to be stated in editors' own words, and cannot be copy/pasted from online sources, and this is true in nearly every circumstance.

As to how you add new information, assuming you are the same person that was behind User:Mirko.casagranda, now blocked for promotion, the answer is likely that you don't. The purpose of Wikipedia is not to promote or advertise for companies or organizations, and if that is your primary purpose, then the information you would like added is likely not welcome. TimothyJosephWood 13:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response. For clarification, I am not the person behind the user name Mirkocasagranda. The reason for the American Name Society website is by no means promotional and is purely informational. The American Name Society is a 'sister organization' of several scholarly organizations, each of which has a wikipage. Three such organizations are provided below:

1.) The Linguistic Society of America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_Society_of_America

2.) The Modern Language Association: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Language_Association

3.) The Society for the Study of Indigenous Languages of the Americas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_the_Study_of_the_Indigenous_Languages_of_the_Americas

Could you, or one of your colleagues, please explain what additions and/or changes would need to be undertaken to resolve this issue?

91.35.28.38 (talk) 14:40, 31 January 2017 (UTC) 91.35.28.38 (talk) 14:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

For information to be included on Wikipedia it should generally be sourced to reliable third party publications, and satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for neutrality as well as potentially other applicable Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Even the other articles you point to did not, for example, include a comprehensive pages long list of every past president, which is both promotional and unencyclopedic. If any of these similar articles are also found to have content copied from their official website, the information should, and most likely will be eventually removed.

Just because these article exist, or exist in their current state, does not mean that they should. For example, the article for the Society for the Study of the Indigenous Languages of the Americas is currently only sourced to the official webpage, and is liable to be deleted if no better sourcing is available. Whether the article is improved or deleted can take considerable time though, since there are more than five million articles, and much less than five million active volunteers.

If you do have information that should be added to an article, and also have reliable sources for that information, you can post a request on the article's talk page and add {{request edit}} along with your comment. This will add your comment to a list of requested edits, and a volunteer will either accept and implement your suggestion, or will reject the suggestion and ideally leave a detailed explanation of why based on the content and the sources. TimothyJosephWood 15:09, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

My First Article regarding my company got "Speedy Deletion Tag"

I cant understand which portions to edit for my Company. here is the link for my article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Storrea

please suggest me what needs to be put and what needs to be omitted.

I am completely at a loss.

Please help me out.

Hasib cse05 (talk) 13:00, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hasib cse05: if your objective is to improve Wikipedia, I strongly recommend that you get some months of experience of copyediting, adding references, and other useful tasks, before you try anything as difficult as creating a new article. If you objective is to advertise a company, then you should use some other web site, Wikipedia is not to be used for promotion. Maproom (talk) 13:18, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Hasib cse05, and welcome to the Teahouse. Maproom is correct: while you are encouraged to do research and improve any topics that interest you, because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is not considered appropriate to write about yourself, your family, or your company. When people attempt to write about subjects close to themselves they have a conflict of interest. You can read more about this at the guideline page available here: WP:COI. Best, Darouet (talk) 20:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

My First Article

Hi i need to create a page for my community description and the leaders is it possible hereSenthurKumaran (talk) 11:10, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

South Indian Sengunthar Mahajana SangamSenthurKumaran (talk)

Hello, SenthurKumaran, and welcome to the Teahouse. That really depends on how you relate to this community. You should not write about things you are closely affiliated with. If it's about something else, read Wikipedia:Your first article. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello SenthurKumaran, I sometimes write short articles about small towns or villages, if these communities are described by newspapers, books, and research articles. I am however unable to find evidence of a community in South India named "Sengunthar Mahajana Sangam." Do you have a link on google maps, or another reference, that can provide the basis for research? If not, or if your community does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, it will not be possible to write an article about your community. -Darouet (talk) 20:11, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Darouet Sir

Thanks for your reply , It's about my caste association — Preceding unsigned comment added by SenthurKumaran (talk • contribs) 04:22, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello @SenthurKumaran: thank you for your note. May I ask a favor? Would you please read this editorial policy essay, WP:GNG, and let me know if your caste association meets the general notability guidelines that it describes? If you believe it might, please send me links to newspaper articles about your association. I believe it is possible that your community may not be the ideal subject of an encyclopedia article, but if you are able to examine the policy essay I've provided here, that might help you come to a conclusion. -Darouet (talk) 20:58, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

how to go back to the disappeared "user space draft mode"?

I'm afraid it does not hold the title "user space draft" anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:שוחרת/Corinna_Hasofferett&action=submit Please advise. In thanks,שוחרת/Renica 09:25, 31 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by שוחרת (talk • contribs)

שוחרת: there is a draft in your user space, at User:שוחרת/Corinna Hasofferett. It has not disappeared. Maproom (talk) 09:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

You deleted the {{userspace draft|date=January 2017}} tag in this edit. I have put it back for you. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:45, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help Maproom and action David Biddulph. It's good to know there is still much to learn. Let never come the day I'll find there is nothing more to learn in life...שוחרת/Renica 22:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)שוחרת — Preceding unsigned comment added by שוחרת (talk • contribs)

I am trying to add a page of an aspiring singer but the page didn't get approved

I am trying to create a page for Ananya Birla who is an aspiring singer. She is the daughter of Kumar Mangalam Birla and Neerja Birla, and granddaughter of Aditya Vikram Birla. I have tried and gathered all the facts and reliable sources that I could but couldn't get past the approval. The reason that I received due to which article was not approved is "This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner."

It would be great if I get some proper guidelines about the content and sources. Vickymehta03 (talk) 06:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Vickymehta03. When you say that this singer is "aspiring", that is a strong indication that it is too early to have an article about her. Please read our Notability guideline for musicians (including singers). We include articles about singers who have had successful careers covered in detail by reliable, independent sources, such as those who have had hit records, have won major awards, and so on. You mention the singer's parents and grandparent. Here on Wikipedia, notability is not inherited and we do not accept articles simply because a person has famous relatives. It seems that your draft article also had problems with style. Our articles must be written from the neutral point of vieew, summarizing what reliable sources say, without any trace of promotional language in Wikipedia's voice. I suggest that you read and study Your first article, where the points I have mentioned are explained in greater detail. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:40, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

 Administrator note - The article was nominated for deletion because another editor and the deleting admin felt that it was an unambiguous advertisement. Some stuff like this seems like self-indulgent content written by the subject herself: "It was during her time at university that she started singing and playing the guitar at pubs and clubs on weekends in London, whose vibrant music scene and bustling gig culture inspired her to transform her passion into a career." Vickymehta03, please also remember that there's a query at Talk:Kaabil that could use your attention. Thank you, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

poet John Dryden article lacks some information

Is it correct to inform on such an item and ask for its inclusion ? I am involved: The BCLA (British Comparative Literature Association) has been running a competitive translation prize named after the poet. my work has been awarded the 1994 John Dryden First Prize for my Revelation novella, translated from the original Hebrew into English by Israeli poet Betsy Rosenberg, with my cooperation. it also carries a lengthy academic article on myself and the novella. There is no Wikipedia article on BCLA and the Prize, yet their books are documented on the net and with google. Am I putting the carriage before the horses or will such an inclusion in Johשוחרת/Renica 06:25, 31 January 2017 (UTC)n Dryden' article be correct and feasible?שוחרתRenicaשוחרת/Renica 06:08, 31 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by שוחרת (talk • contribs) שוחרת/Renica 06:40, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, שוחרת. Here is my opinion: John Dryden died 317 years ago. I do not think that it would be appropriate to discuss a 21st century literary award in a biography of a 17th century poet. I do not know whether or not the association or the prize are notable, as Wikipedia defines that term. Research would be required. If so, the group and its prize should be discussed in a separate article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:52, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Dear Cullen 328. The prize is named after the poet.https://bcla.org/prizes-and-competitions/john-dryden-translation-competition/winners/ So, in this sense at least, the poet's memory is immortalized ...שוחרת/Renica 09:33, 31 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by שוחרת (talk • contribs)

Thanks again, dear Cullen 328. As for notability, the yearly book of BCLA is published by Cambridge University Press. שוחרת/Renica 22:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)שוחרת — Preceding unsigned comment added by שוחרת (talk • contribs)

Dear Cullen 328 I've just looked at your article on Henry S. Yount to learn about references and found a citation of a prize named after that gentleman. Could this be considered a precedent although Yount, born on March 18, 1839 is a bit younger than Dryden?שוחרת/Renica 01:18, 2 February 2017 (UTC)שוחרת Renica שוחרת/Renica 23:26, 1 February 2017 (UTC)שוחרת

Submission not getting accepted due to referencing deficiency

My article has not been approved due to referencing problems. The reviewer has given a comment stating that more reliable and notable sources are to be included. I have included links from famous technical blogging sites as referencing. What other links will be considered as reliable? Shalini Rkn (talk) 05:07, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Shalini Rkn. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what reliable, independent sources say about a topic. LinkedIn is not a reliable source. Quora is not a reliable source. No social media sites. No other Wikipedia articles. The vast majority of blogs are not reliable sources. Reliable sources include books by respected major publishers, technical journals, respected magazines and newspapers, and established websites with a professional editorial staff. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Linking

This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles; try the Find link tool for suggestions. (January 2017). I am dull as I did link articles. So I am doing something wrong.

I Dennie2me (talk) 00:35, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Dennie2me. You've added links from Feminism in graffiti to other articles. You haven't added links from other articles to that one - as you can see by picking "What links here" from the sidebar. --ColinFine (talk) 00:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dennie2me. As ColinFine pointed out, an "orphan" is an article which has no incoming links from other Wikipedia articles. If you want some information on how to "de-orphan" and article, please take a look at WP:DE-ORPHAN. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

OH!! ok thank you that makes sense now!! Dennie2me (talk) 18:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Possible to find a newly missing table from United States article?

This relates to the particular Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States. In the economy section of the United States article there was a great table from some official United States Government source (Census Bureau, GAO something like that). It showed the change in wealth from 1998 to 2010 in for different segments of the population. It was extremely easy to understand and politcally neutral. Can we get it back? Could I get the reference from some log? Sorry if this is not the right forum. I was too intimidated to ask on the talk page and wasn't able to meet the requirement of specifying the correct form of something that looked vaguely like this: ???? (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Very awesome that there is a place for beginners. DaKineStuff (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Is it one of the charts in Wealth_in_the_United_States? There was also a table recently moved to Income_inequality_in_the_United_States RudolfRed (talk) 00:37, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Asking for clarification if uploading pictures with permission of photographer

I am in contact with someone who has indicated that they are willing to supply me with one or more photographs that they have taken themselves. I have permission to upload them to Wikipedia and would like to put them on Wikipedia Commons for wide use. I have not uploaded images before or gone through the licensing options in detail, although it seems that there are two preferred licenses (Creative Commons and GFDL) and that both should be applied. My questions are 1) Am I allowed to upload this person's work with their permission? and 2) If I am, how can I best describe the license options to them, since they are not a Wikipedia Commons user? Thanks, Kumboloi (talk) 21:38, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Kumboloi. Thank you for asking. I'm afraid that permission from them to you to use them on Wikipedia is not enough in two different respects: first, permission must be either public or communicated directly to Wikimedia; secondly, permission to use materials in Wikipedia is not sufficient, as part of the aims of Wikipedia is that all its material be freely reusable. The easiest way for the copyright holder to release the images is for them to create an account here, and upload the pictures to Wikimedia Commons themselves, licensing them under CC as they do so: see Help:Upload. Alternatively, they can send an email as explained in Donating copyright materials, and you can then upload them. Either way, they need to release them under a suitable licence, which will allow anybody to reuse them for any purpose (including commercially) as long as they attribute them. --ColinFine (talk) 23:17, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. Thank you for the reply. I will send an email to the image-owner outlining his option to either upload the images himself or provide an email donating the copyrighted materials. He has a background in publishing and is probably more familiar than I am with these types of issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumboloi (talk • contribs) 20:49, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Kumboloi. First, the permission must come directly from the copyright owner, not secondarily from you (to be clear it is possible to do it secondarily but it involves complicated legal hoops—for example, a legal contract or power of attorney so let's bypass that). Second, make sure the person is aware that the permission is not for their use but for them to release the images into the public domain or under an irrevocable, suitably-free, copyright license allowing anyone to use them even for commercial purposes, with the only requirement of use being to post the license and give suitable attribution to the owner upon a re-use. What you can do is provide this link to the person: https://tools.wmflabs.org/relgen/ Best regards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:27, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Fuhghettaboutit. Thanks for helping clear this up. I knew that I couldn't just claim to have permission but wasn't certain how best to communicate the image-owner's intent to Wikipedia Commons. The less involvement I have the better. I will include some of your points in my next email outlining the options and see what he wants, or is willing, to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumboloi (talk • contribs) 20:49, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Screenshots and licenses

Hello! I'm currently making big edits in this article but I have questions about uploading of screenshots. Rights on this show are currently hold by one company, which owns separate site for watching, both of them have channels on Youtube and upload various episodes of this show, not without their logos in corner. Yet none of VHS rips on YT, from premier times and '00s retranslations, were taken down by copyright issues. So:

• how critical is uploading screenshot with said logos or without them (after edit in graphic editor)?
• with what licenses I should describe these screenshots?
• can they be used in other language versions of this article (with or without reupload)?

MahtMBah (talk) 21:09, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello MahtMBah and welcome to the Teahouse.

The fact that something was not (yet) taken down for copyright issues is not evidence.

Since the material you are talking about is clearly covered by copyright, the only way you could use something like this on English Wikipedia would be under WP:Non-free content criteria.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:38, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

As I understand: uploading for free watching =/= letting to use it or its fragments as free content? And logo issue doesn't matter since I should down-scale images before upload (which will occur anyway because of videos' poor quality)?

Thank you for answers!

MahtMBah (talk) 22:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi MahtMBah. The fact that content is allowed to be watched for free has nothing to do with copyright. A free image is one that has passed into the public domain (which has little to do with public display) or one that has been specifically released by its owner under as suitably-free copyright license—as demonstrate by affirmative evidence of the release upon the upload. Generally, where no free images exist, we only allow a single, representative, fair use image to be used for an article on a topic. Please see the Minimal usage criterion of Wikipedia's Non-free content criteria.

Since there is already a fair use image in use at Kalambur (newsmagazine), I do not believe the screenshots you are thinking of uploading would be acceptable under a claim of fair use and you should not upload them. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

All right, thank you for explaining.

MahtMBah (talk) 06:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Requested Article Redirect

I have requested a music article for the song "Handclap" by Fitz and the Tantrums, but when clicked, redirects to the article "Clapping" How do I fix this? Bedsidelamp (talk) 20:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Here you go. The song is mentioned with the capital C. Clifta 21:06, 30 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clifta (talk • contribs)

MUSICIAN ARTICLES

I read that you cant set up a wiki article for a band or mucisian yet I see plenty of articles. The artist I have in mind is already referenced in other articles so how di do this ? Jakandra (talk) 20:15, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jakandra: There's no rule against creating an article about a band or musician, unless you are writing about yourself or a band you represent, in which case you have a conflict of interest. See Wikipedia:Your first article for help on how to create the article. Funcrunch (talk) 21:20, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Jakandra, your use of the phrase "set up" suggests to me that you are thinking of Wikipedia as being like social media, or advertising. It is neither. What you do with an article is to write it, carefully, making sure it is a neutral summary of what independent sources have said about the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Is there a writers guide to how to write articles?

I'd like to write an article, however, I don't want to make to many mistakes, format things incorrectly, or present information in the wrong way. Is there a writers guide? Zachary G. 19:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZachAttrax (talk • contribs)

Hey ZachAttrax. Check out guidance at Wikipedia:Your first article and the somewhat more in-depth tutorial at Wikipedia:Writing better articles. Hope these help. TimothyJosephWood 20:05, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, how do I find the list of suggested articles?

Thanks PGA2013 (talk) 19:03, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello @PGA2013:, and welcome to Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Most-wanted articles and Wikipedia:Requested articles list possibly useful and requested articles. I'd also recommend to read Wikipedia:Your first article as it has a lot of good advice for new contributors (and I will also post a few other useful links to your talkpage). Hope that helps. GermanJoe (talk) 19:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Bio of a living person

Hello, How I can create a new article, if my article is already on Wiki? I need to create a Bio of a living person,but not edit existing page. Margor.88 (talk) 18:49, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Just edit the existing article. We don't create multiple articles about the same subject. By "my article" did you mean that the article is about you? If that is the case then you have a WP:conflict of interest and normally should not edit the article. See WP:COISELF for the limited exceptions. Any other edits should be proposed on the article's talk page. Meters (talk) 18:57, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Already asked [2]and answered [3] [4] at help desk. Asking more than once isn't going to change the answer. User works for the subject of the article, and is at COIN Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Brian_Skerry. Meters (talk) 19:11, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Why is my version of the post reverted

Why is my version of the post reverted when the new version gives the summary of work done by the personality over his lifetime? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shobhit.dalal (talk • contribs) 18:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I've moved the question to the top of the page to its correct location chronologically.--talk2Chun^{(talk) (contributions)} 22:23, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Shobhit.dalal: thanks for your note. It looks like this edit that you made to Asaram, [5] was reverted because it did not adhere to two critical policies of wikipedia: a neutral presentation of information (see WP:NPOV) that has been verified by high-quality sources (see WP:V and WP:RS).

If you are concerned that an article about a living person is not written fairly, you can make a post at the noticeboard concerned with Wikipedia's biographies of living persons, WP:BLPN. However, in this case I do not believe that other editors will support your contention, because your changes to Asaram were not supported by citations from reliable sources. -Darouet (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Shobhit.dalal, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've had a look at the page you're referring to (Asaram), as well as it's history. From what I understand, the main reason why your edits are being reverted is because Wikipedia requires that most information be verifiable by reliable sources, and written in a neutral point of view. From what I've seen, your edits here, here and here all include a number of (what you've described as positive) statements. The problem with these statements, as some of the editors have remarked, are that there are no reliable sources which corroborate your additions, and that the statements are not written in a neutral point of view.
On the other hand, the text you've replaced (which you consider negative), concerns facts, which (as far as I can tell) are corroborated by sources elsewhere in the text. Please also note the comments left on your Talk page, where another editor indicated that your edits and revisions can be considered as edit warring, which is highly frowned upon (and could lead to your account being blocked).
If you feel that the Article is not neutral, you are should first try to find reliable sources which any text you wish to add/edit. Your best option, after that, is to discuss these reliable sources on the Article's talk page, and try to come to a consensus with the Wikipedia community. --talk2Chun^{(talk) (contributions)} 22:44, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Redirects from two pages

I just added a second redirect to National World War I Museum and Memorial, and I am wanting to know if it is better form to list each redirect in its own sentence like I have it, or if I should do one sentence stating both, or if it matters at all. RM2KX (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey RM2KX. I have combined the two into one custom hatnote, which saves a bit of space. It's still pretty beefy though. I also wonder about the prudence of redirecting National WWI Memorial to this article. I find it hard to believe that the only National WWI Memorials in the world are in Kansas and DC. I wonder if this wouldn't be better as a disambiguation page, given that there are in fact articles on other nations' national memorials. TimothyJosephWood 18:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I think you right,TimothyJosephWood. However, the source of the redirect previously covered only one element within the topic of the destination, meaning it still has a talk page and edit history on that subtopic. How would I go about separating them from the disambiguation page, and would I even have to do so? RM2KX (talk) 19:26, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

(I've seen how to do this now.) RM2KX (talk) 04:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

After looking, I am not seeing other memorials with that title, exactly, so for now I've included a category link in the adjusted hatnote. RM2KX (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

wiki badges

how do i get the link to badges ? or atleast the badgeometer? kindly discuss and let me know thanking you, jordanben jordan (talk) 15:04, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey jordan. It's not entirely clear what it is you mean by "badges". Maybe if you can be more specific, or provide a link to the type of thing you're referring to, then we can be of more help. TimothyJosephWood 15:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

i meant i hve seen many ppl /editors havin sumtin called barnstars .i want one too. plus i saw a link for a new barometer sumwere .plus one more question,how do i write an article and put it on wiki? jordan (talk) 15:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Here is a page that describes writing your first article, Wikipedia:Your first article. - GB fan 15:41, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey jordan. Barnstars are tokens of appreciation given by other editors as a way to recognize when they think someone has done a great job of helping to build the encyclopedia. So in a nutshell, the way to get barnstars is to do a great job of helping to build the encyclopedia.

There are lots of ways that editors help do this, including fighting vandalism, copy-editing articles to improve grammar and punctuation, taking and uploading great pictures for use on the encyclopedia, and many others, in addition to editors who primarily work to create brand new articles. If you're interested in making new articles, you should check out our tutorial on doing so. But keep in mind that writing a brand new article is one of the more difficult things to do on Wikipedia, and it's far from the only way you can help. TimothyJosephWood 15:46, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi jordan. I can only offer you this advice concerning awards (aside from the useful information that Timothy Joseph Wood has already provided). I myself have received one barnstar, which I really appreciated. However, I did nothing to actively seek out that barnstar, nor did I do anything with the explicit goal of gaining an award. The barnstar I received was for my participation in improving Wikipedia (speficially, the Articles for Deletion section). I contributed by doing my best in researching whether an article deserved to be deleted in line with Wikipedia's established policies. Another Wikipedia editor appreciated my efforts, and awarded me with the barnstar out of his or her own consideration.

Therefore, I can only advice you not to worry too much about receiving awards right now. Instead, try to see where you can help improve Wikipedia (many options are already listed on Wikipedia:Community portal). Try to start small (e.g. copy-editing, reverting vandalism, adding reliable sources where they are missing, etc.) and build up experience. The barnstars will more than likely follow your positive contributions to this community project.--talk2Chun^{(talk) (contributions)} 18:38, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

thank u all for information and thank u joe roe.

jordan (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Links to de.wikipedia.org show as external links on en.wikipedia.org

Hi I'm creating the page for an artist called Maria Hinze (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Hinze). I want to link to one of her professors, Walter Obholzer (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Obholzer) but as his page is in German on the de.wikipedia.org it always shows as an external link, and now I have been told that this is against the rules of Wiki, but I can't figure out how to keep it as an internal link. Can anybody help? Many thanks Pseudophile (talk) 13:47, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Pseudophile. A regular wikilink to a foreign language Wikipedia article is created by placing a colon at the start of the link markup, then the language code, and then piping the link to the name you want to display. Thus [[:de:Walter Obholzer|Walter Obholzer]] displays as Walter Obholzer. There is also a template that is sometimes used, {{ill}}, to display the name being linked as a red link while still providing a blue link to the foreign article, and in that way, invite creation of the article here. However, this should only be used where the foreign language article is clearly a notable topic (under English Wikipedia's standards). I'm not sure that's the case here, as the German article is not well sourced (and I did not search to confirm myself). See also Help:Interlanguage links. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Tips for editing in wikipedia

Q.Hi I am SawOnGam and I am a rookie who joined wikipedia recently only about 10 fays and I want to know about the codes used in the wikipedia So can you list me the codes with their functions used in wikipedia Sawongam (talk) 12:48, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

ANS:Hey Sawongam. I assume that by "codes" what you mean is the markup that is used to format articles and talk pages. For an overview of all the most common types of markup used on Wikipedia, see Help:Wiki markup. TimothyJosephWood 13:04, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

You may also find Help:Cheatsheet a useful summary - Arjayay (talk) 13:30, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much - Arjayay (talk) For your kindness :-) Sawongam (talk) 13:49, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

changing logo & editing content

Hello,

I would like to edit this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Tobacco_Group by adding my company*s new logo and changing the text. I have added text in the back end and for some reason not all the changes have been applied when publish. Please advise.

Many thanks. Andreayoung (talk) 10:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Already answered at Wikipedia:Help desk#changing logo .26 editing content - please do not ask the same question in multiple places - thanks - Arjayay (talk) 10:52, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

trying to create wiki page for someone who has same name

Trying to create a wiki page for a person that has the same name as another person who already has a wiki page. Can someone show me an example as if the name I am writing a wiki page for Greg Lindsay but somebody else by the name of Greg Lindsay has already taken it? I already created it for Gregory Lindsay BUT want to edit it to read Greg Lindsay(producer) so I can establish it for Greg Lindsay the producer and not just regular, Greg Lindsay (from Australia, who already has taken it). Thelinzla (talk) 07:43, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Thelinzla, and welcome to the Teahouse. The page you created is currently called Gregory Lindsay. Before we sort out the best name, there is a more urgent matter - the article has been nominated for deletion. Your first action needs to be to find references in reliable sources that discuss him in depth, in order to show that he is notable. Without that, the article will probably be deleted. --Gronk Oz (talk) 08:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Thelinzla, please note that IMDB is not a reliable source so currently your article has no valid references at all. - Arjayay (talk) 09:05, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

IMDB is a reliable source because if you click on a link from there it will take you to another site proving the credit. For example, Greg Lindsay has a credit on Charmed. If you scroll down to his Charmed credit and click on it, it will take you off his page and bring you to Charmed's page where it will prove Greg played the role of Trey on Charmed and the release date of the episode. These are done by the studios and production companies and not the actor's personal page. These links prove the role the person is associated with being a writer, actor, producer, director, etcThelinzla (talk) 21:50, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Here are links from other sources: https://newslinela.wordpress.com/page/22/?archives-list=1 https://www.facebook.com/pg/GregLindsay.net/about http://charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Greg_Lindsay vzhare.com/watch/932425686855353 celebrities.prettyfamous.com/l/315981/Greg-Lindsay http://celebrityimages.org/celebrity/512226/612803Thelinzla (talk) 21:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

The first one appears to be a blog, the second purports to be his official Facebook page (but how do we know it really is his), the third one is a wikia, and the fourth is just a picture with text sourced to IMDB again. The facebook page can be used to establish personal details if it is proven to be his. None of these pages are of any use in establishing his notability. Blogs and wikias are WP:USERGENERATED. Meters (talk) 22:06, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Thelinzla. Please note we do not create pages 'for' anybody in Wikipedia, because Wikipedia is not for promotion of any person, society or company. Instead, we create pages 'about' people, who are notable. Please refer to WP:PROMOTION and Wikipedia:Notability for some basic guidelines to choosing a subject for Wikipedia article. --CiaPan (talk) 22:07, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

The criteria for Entertainers include having had significant roles in multiple notable films and television shows.

Mr. Lindsay has been involved in over 20 movies and TV shows. Including in these he has performed with or written for Academy Award winners, Emmy winners and huge box office entertainers such as Russell Crowe, Sylvester Stallone, Chelsea Handler, Ryan Gosling, James Cann, Will Ferrell - all of these can be verified through his credits on IMDBThelinzla (talk) 23:12, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Thelinzla. None of this is properly verifiable through Imdb. Even if the sources there were not to other user generated sites and the like, sourcing must be direct – not the attenuation you're championing of referrals to referrals – "see X (which is not considered reliable) but list Y which is". Cite direct reliable, secondary and independent sources. Also, we are not looking for a list of credits. We are looking for some depth of coverage, upon which a verifiable article can be built. Notability does not exist in a vacuum. Based on having looked for sources just now, I do not think an article is currently possible. One might be possible in the future, though, once the world has taken note of Mr. Gregory by writing about him substantively in the types of sources we need to exist for a person to warrant an encyclopedia article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:44, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand how you feel someone who has produced and written multi million dollar movies, and acted in blockbuster movies, is not relevant enough. And his surname is Lindsay -- so he should be referenced as "Mr. Lindsay" not "Mr. Gregory."Thelinzla (talk) 23:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Because nothing presented so far proves that he's been involved in this way. Wikipedia's verifiability policy requires that information be backed up by appropriate sources, as Fuhghettaboutit says above, so that readers can check out the sources for themselves. Meters has explained why the existing sources are unsuitable. clpo13_(talk) 00:06, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

SO are you saying you need more citeable sources? These would inevitably be more links that stem from IMDB and social media sites such as Faecbook. For example, Mr. Lindsay wrote and produced the $5,000,000 comedy feature "Reality Queen!" (with Mike Tyson and Denise Richards). How else would you want it cited other than through IMDB?Thelinzla (talk) 00:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thelinzla almost anything except IMDB, Wikia, or Facebook, will be better. Look for articles about Lindsay in actual newspapers or magazines; titles such as Variety, New York Times and others with similar status and reputations for reliability and independence. (These blue words are links to pages you should read.) Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 05:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@Dodger67: For some users those blue words may appear green until visited, as they are links to redirections. --CiaPan (talk) 14:54, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks CiaPan, is there a user preference for such green links? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:28, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking there is such option, but I was wrong: there is a gadget for it in some Wikipedias, e.g. in my home pl-wiki. For a consistent appearance I've put appropriate declarations in my global CSS, and I think other editors may use similar trick (but OP probably is not one of them). --CiaPan (talk) 16:03, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Still need your help to delete my .jpg file in Wiki Commons.

I am trying to do a speedy delete of one of my files named File: Jean Jepson circa circa late 1940s or early 1950s.jpg I have had some feedback from your help desk. From these replies I am now aware that I am not an administrator and so I do not have access to the delete button. The file was created in Wiki Commons following the Upload Wizard instructions. I have read the help links on Deleting and they provide a lot of details but I cannot find where to go to do the delete and how exactly to do it. It may be simpler if you deleted. I only have two files and I am trying to eliminate clutter. I made an error in the file name and put in the word "circa" twice. That is all.75.155.187.94 (talk) 06:50, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Since the file was uploaded to Commons, the file needs to be deleted there. If you are c:User:CableHut who uploaded the file, then you should log in to your account, gp to the file's page at c:File:Jean Jepson circa circa late 1940s or early 1950s.jpg, and then add c:Template:SDG7 to the top of the page. You can do this by simply adding {{SDG7}} to the very top of the file's page. You do, however, need to add this template within 6 days from the date of upload. If you are not the uploader, then you can request that the file be deleted by going to the file's page on Commons, looking at the side bar on the left, and then clicking on "Nominate for deletion". As it is the file has been tagged for not having proper permission, so it will eventually be deleted by a Commons' administrator after 7 days if proper permission is not provided.

Please also note that the other file (File:Jean Jepson Portrait circa late 1940s or early 1950s.jpg) has also been tagged for not having proper permission, and this file will also be deleted unless you can provide proof that it has been released under a free license. Please refer to c:COM:OTRS for further information. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:04, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Trying to talk to someone, but I don't understand what they are saying the problem is

Can someone help me figure out what the problem is with my suggestion for a change to an article? There is a user trying to tell me, but I don't understand his explanation. It is at the bottom of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mehmet_Oz. He says I'm doing OR and SYN, but I really don't think so. I'm trying explain why I don't think so, but he keeps saying I am. But I don't understand his reasoning. Maybe someone else can explain better? 45.72.157.254 (talk) 01:23, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, anonymous IP editor. The problem seems be with the use of the word "widespread". Calling something "widespread" when the cited sources do not use that word (or a very close synonym) can be considered synthesis and original research. Who says that four sources amounts to "widespread"? This is the sort of thing that needs to be resolved by talk page discussion leading to consensus. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:14, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I eventually figured out what he meant. It seemed really weird that it took the whole afternoon and so many messages to figure out what the issue was. Is it always like that here? At this point I feel like my head has turned inside out. Was I not being clear or was he not being clear?

I thought I addressed the point with quotes from the articles, but it seems like criticisms of Dr. Oz from doctors, the scientific community, journalists, and the US Senate in articles that are about his propagation of pseudoscience isn't a close enough link to say that the widespread criticism is about Dr. Oz's propagation of pseudoscience. Are those not enough people to be widespread? Clearly the two of us disagree, so hopefully some other people will chime in as well. 45.72.157.254 (talk) 02:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

No, but most matters here are not as slippery as gray areas of OR and SYNTH can be. Just remember, the source or sources needs to directly support the conclusion you are drawing, in their text. If you are drawing a conclusion, as here, from an implication of the number of sources saying something, rather than from what the sources themselves say, then you are engaging in a form of original research. The most common form of synthesis I see is the drawing of negative implications. For example, the claim that the history/origins of some subject/matter is unknown or not well researched because the Wikipedia editor has looked high and low for sources and has failed to find anything. That gap in an article that screams for some comment on the subject's history to make it seemingly complete makes this a very alluring form of synthesis to engage in (it's driven me to some distraction myself in articles I wanted to take to FAQ or to good articles but meeting the comprehensive standard felt impossible without some comment on an apparent hole one would expect to be filled in a complete article). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:54, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Good Wikipedia editors must rigorously cultivate the habit of saying nothing that is not an accurate summary of what the reliable sources say about the topic. That includes use of a term like "widespread". Fuhghettaboutit gave an excellent example. If, on the other hand, a leading authority on the topic had commented that its origins are unknown, then it would be appropriate to mention that in the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:05, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Fuhghettaboutit. That's very helpful. I still disagree that in this particular case I'm engaging in synthesis, but I can see how it can be a difficult area. And maybe widespread is just too loose a term - could be it needs qualifying like 'widespread criticism among scientists and doctors' or something like that. I've just put a proposal on the talk page, so other people can weigh in. Thanks again for the explanation. 45.72.157.254 (talk) 16:17, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

42, you are missing the point here. It does not matter if you have 3, 15, 46 or 192 sources where 7, 42 or 1538 people have been critical of him. Unless you have a source that says he has been subject to widespread criticism, it is YOUR conclusion that the criticism us widespread. We do not interject our interpretations into what we write here. Ever. John from Idegon (talk) 05:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Badges and groups.

Hi! I am very new to Wikipedia (as you can tell by my profile) and still finding out new things every day. I love contributing and helping the 'wiki community'. I recently came across a contributors profile and noticed they had certain badges/awards and was wondering how they gained them? I've done a bit of researching but only been able to find that I may have to join some 'groups' to earn badges? I hope you are able to tell me a bit more about these and point me in the right direction.

Many thanks. Kinghumez (talk) 22:59, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kinghumez, welcome to the Teahouse. You didn't name the user and there are different types of badges and awards. The large majority don't depend on joining any groups. The easiest to get are from Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure which automatically gives badges like Wikipedia:TWA/Badgeometer to users who do the missions. See Wikipedia:Awards for some of the other possibilities. They often require a lot of work or a friendly editor noticing your good edits – making lots of good edits increases the chance of that. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:25, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Kinghumez. All awards and badges on Wikipedia are informal and unofficial. Please read about Service awards, which are self awarded based on length of service and editing activity. Another common type of award are Barnstars, which are given by one editor to another for various types of productive activities. You can also get a variety of badges for completing the Wikipedia Adventure, but in all honesty, those are pretty trivial. There are a variety of other more prestigious awards, such as Wikipedian of the Month, and so on. Focus above all on improving the encyclopedia, and these awards will come to you as time goes by. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:35, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

And there is another possibility, Kinghumez: some users also put "userboxes" on their user page, to highlight their qualifications, interests, etc. If you want to find about a specific badge on a User's page, you can always ask on their Talk page - if they went to the trouble of posting it, I'm sure they would be happy to answer a question.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:25, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

"Thank" feature

I am not sure how the "Thank" feature works, even though I have BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:12, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

It's explained at WP:Notifications/Thanks. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:15, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Just as the name of it implies, it's used to thank another editor for their particular contribution to a page. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:50, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Where does it show up? On the recipient's talk page? Or as a bit of tiny type in the page History? How does the recipient learn that he or she has been thanked? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 13:25, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey BeenAroundAWhile. A thank shows up in your notifications at the top of you screen, similar to how you are notified when someone pings you. To demonstrate, I will thank you for your comment after I post this reply. Thanks are ostensibly public, since they are kept in a public log, Special:Log/thanks, but are much more private than a Wikipedia:WikiLove message, which is publicly displayed on a user's talk page, rather than tucked away in an obscure log. TimothyJosephWood 13:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

If you don't understand what WP:Notifications/Thanks says in English, it does have links (in the left-hand toolbar) to equivalent pages in some other languages. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:36, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to TimothyJoseph for the cogent and friendly response. C'mon, TimothyJoseph, pull up a chair and we'll share this pot of tea. I'm not sure why David Biddulph made such a snarky remark, but maybe his dyspepsia is acting up again. Hmm. The Tearoom is pretty crowded today, and I'm glad we have some friendly Wikipedians here to help out the newcomers and even to respond to folks like me who have BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 14:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

How to be an effective editor?

How to be an effective editor?16:23, 29 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjbcawili (talk • contribs)

That's a very open question, Jjbcawili! I would say it's about finding your "niche" here on Wikipedia. There are lots of jobs that help improve the encyclopaedia: writing articles (about things that interest you, things that we're missing, or things people want to read about), copyediting, counter-vandalism, patrolling, the list goes on and on. If you can find some tasks that interest you and that you're good at, you're definitely an effective editor. – Joe (talk) 17:42, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

edit

How to edit page and create new pages ? Also , how to change the name of a main article?16:22, 29 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjbcawili (talk • contribs) 16:22, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello again Jjbcawili. You can edit (almost) any article simply by clicking the "edit" tab at the top right of the page. Creating new articles from scratch is more difficult, but you can use the article wizard. To move pages (change their title) you have to be slightly more experienced, but until you get there you can ask someone else to do it on the article's talk page. You might find the the Wikipedia Adventure, a short tutorial on editing Wikipedia, helpful in getting started. – Joe (talk) 17:45, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

About Speedy deletion nomination

Hello,

Please tell me, is creating an informative page of any shop or firm on wikipedia, according to the terms and policies of wikipediaAbhishek.moonat (talk) 15:31, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Abhishek.moonat. It is not. An encyclopedia is a compendium of articles on topics of knowledge, already substantively written about by people out in the world and is never the place to first discuss topics, that the world has not already recognized. The vast majority of small businesses in the world are not notable, as we use that word to define the standard I summarized of previous recognition in writing. Generally, this means that unless reliable, secondary and independent sources have written about the shop or firm in substantive detail, a stand-alone article is not warranted. Please also be aware of our conflict of interest guideline, and that people owning or involved in a business, wanting to write about that business, must provide disclosure of paid editing. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:44, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Judgement of Articles

How are articles are judged? What qualities should an article possess so that it is eligible for posting it worldwide? I have checked out all the article-related Wikipedia pages but i still cannot understand. Please help.

Faceless Wikipedian (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Faceless Wikipedian. As threshold matters, an article should:

1. be on a notable topic (as demonstrated by citation to reliable, secondary and independent sources);
2. have only verifiable content;
3. engage in no original research;
4. be written from a neutral point of view; and
5. not violate any part of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.

Though I think this goes a bit beyond the scope of your direct question, after these threshold matters are met, the path to a great article would be to aspire to meet the featured article criteria. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:30, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Faceless Wikipedian. You can find out more information about how articles are evaluated by reading Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:56, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you!Wikipedian (talk) 13:13, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

My article is not on any Google search

I have written an article entitled Bill Elliott (musician), but the article appears to be transparent on any Google search, even using the exact words. After I was finished with it in my sandbox, I blanked the namespace article by mistake, (instead of my sandbox version) but undid it. The article shows up OK within Wiki, but not outside Wiki. The same is true for Google searching for a keyword within the article. Can you help? Thanks--Eagledj (talk) 14:21, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. A decision was taken some months ago that new pages would be NOINDEXed until they have been accepted by the New pages patrol process. This came as a surprise to many editors. There is an increasing queue (currently 15618 pages) awaiting patrol, and a backlog of more than 3 months. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, David Biddulph. I did not know this, and it seems like a Good Idea! Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Technically that decision was made five years ago, but didn't take effect until recently due to a software bug. – Joe (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

How to replace an existing citation with a more accurate link

How to replace an existing citation with a more accurate link Niccasey (talk) 13:23, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Resolved! thanks anway

Niccasey (talk) 13:26, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

page deleted

hello my friend have created page name called Audrey D'Silva but page was deleted , i wanna recover that page is it possible ?Mehakdhavan (talk) 11:06, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Audrey D'Silva has been deleted twice, the first at the author's request and the second after WP:Articles for deletion/Audrey D'Silva. The header of the latter page has a link to WP:Deletion review. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:31, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

hello then how can i recover that page , i have all proof and documents to prove {{subst:xsigned|06:51, 31 January 2017‎ Mehakdhavan}}

How can I find my deleted article in the deletion log.

Hi,

I wrote a page called 'Transcrypt' about a popular open source project I initiated. It was deleted because it was considered promotional. The reasons are said to be in the deletion log. I tried to search for record of this deletion in the log, but couldn't find it. I've filled in my user name and the name of the page, but there were zero hits.

Kind regards Jacques de Hooge Jacdeh (talk) 08:57, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. It wasn't an article, it was a draft. The link is there from the notification on your user talk page. The link goes to Draft:Transcrypt, which shows you the deletion log entry for that page. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:06, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, David, for your reply. I have seen the entry you refer to. Only I wasn't aware that this was indeed a deletion log entry. The person deleting the page replied me to look in the deletion log to find the reasons why. However I only found the original remark about lacking references there. The point is that I've added those references in order to comply with quality and notability standards. I didn't get any reaction to that. Not that these references were good enough. Not that they were worthless. The page was just deleted, that's all. So I try to get into a conversation with someone experienced about how to improve this page. But I don't succeed in that, which I find frustrating. So at least I am glad to have obtained an helpful answer from a human being. I will for now not invest anymore time in this page. Not that I'm not willing to in principle, but there's no guarantee I'll get a decent reaction after even more effort. Still I consider Wikipedia very useful. Using it almost daily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacdeh (talk • contribs) 14:45, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jacdeh. There seems to be a bit of confusion here. The message on your user talk page says that the draft was rejected (not deleted) by SwisterTwister last August, for lack of adequate references. Separately, the deletion log says that the draft was deleted by Athaenara last week for a different reason: that it was unambiguous advertising or promotion. Why there is this difference in view, I don't know (as I am not an admin, I can't look at deleted pages). Perhaps between August and this month you added material which made it more promotional; perhaps SwisterTwister noticed the lack of references and didn't consider the text; perhaps those two would actually disagree about whether it was unambiguous advertising: you could ask Athaenara for more information (I've linked them above, so they should get a notification about this reply). But the point I'm making is that while adding references could meet SwisterTwister's original rejection, it would probably not satisfy Athaenara's judgment for deletion, which was on different grounds. It is certainly often the case that people close to a topic find it hard to judge how promotional some text is: that's why we discourage people from editing articles where they have a conflict of interest. One way I like to think of it that, if you started the project, then Wikipedia has essentially no interest at all in what you think, know, have said, or want to say about it (I'm not trying to be offensive, just blunt): it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the project have published about it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, alright, I can of course not be considered to be objective. Thank you for the clear and extensive explanation. I didn't add anything else then references, one of them to a book, in which I had no say, nor do I know the author, but the project is descibed there in a separate paragraph. Also there's a reference to a discussion on stackoverflow. But perhaps I shouldn't be the one writing the article, although I think on the other hand I am the most knowlegeable about this subject. Anyhow I value your careful reply and do not at all consider it offensive. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacdeh (talk • contribs) 08:30, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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how to delete our notifications or alerts? How to clear some unwanted msgs on our user talk page ? kindly let me know about this by discussing thank you. jordan (talk) 07:56, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, jordan. Just to clarify, are you taking about notices and alerts or messages on your user talk page? They are two different things. Notifications and alerts appear in the icons in the top right of the page (the bell and the inbox) and are only visible to you. I don't think you can delete them but if you click the circle next to one it will mark it as read and won't bother you any more. User talk pages are the main way Wikipedians communicate with each other and are visible to anybody. You can edit your talk page (User talk:Jordanben) just like any other page – click "edit" in the top right of the page. However, usually people don't delete old messages, they leave them there as a record for themselves and other editors. If your talk page gets too crowded, what you could do is archive it instead. Hope that helps. – Joe (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

How to delete a file. Should be simple and straightforward but not working out that way.

I am trying to delete a duplicate file. The HELP sections says that files are deleted in the same manner as pages and that the process is very simple. Go tot he file (or page) and there is a delete button at the top of the page and you click that and a dialog box will ask for the underlying reason.

Of course when I open the file there is no delete button anywhere in sight and so I am unable to delete the duplicate file.

Please help! 75.155.187.94 (talk) 06:28, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@75.155.187.94: Which file are you trying to delete? --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:37, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Files for discussion, where you can nominate any file you wish for deletion. Though I am not familiar with the "delete button" you mention, please be aware that not all functions are available to unregistered editors. Please consider opening an optional Wikipedia account, which offers many benefits and no negatives. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:04, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi person editing from 75.155.187.94. It sounds as if maybe you read an instruction page directed at administrators—who do have a deletion button; non-administrators do not. In addition to the instructions above, it's possible that if it is truly a duplicate separate file, or a duplicate version of a single file, then tagging it for speedy deletion might be possible. It must strictly meet the criterion though, which are set out at Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Files. The deletion tags that you would place on the file page, if a speedy deletion criterion applies, is given for each criterion at the page I linked. A second possibility occurs to me. If the file is at the Wikimedia Commons, rather than on Wikipedia (people often don't realize images they see are not actually hosted here but there), then there is a "nominate for Deletion" link under the tools menu on the left hand side of the page. None of the deletion methods anyone has discussed here will apply to the Commons, though they have equivalent procedures. See Commons:Deletion policy. By the way, if you had told us the name of the actual file, we all could have crafted far more targeted answers for you. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I guess you refer Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Deleting#Deleting files. The page is for administrators as the name clearly says, and the second line on the page says: Basically, click on the "delete" tab at the top of the page (the tab will only appear if you are an administrator logged in to your account). In the future, please provide links to pages you refer to, in this case both the file and help page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all the helpful responses to my questions.

This is my first WP article that I am creating and I am not familiar at all with all your protocols. I am definitely not an administrator and that is probably why I could not see the delete button. Yes the file that I am trying to delete is in Wiki Commons so I will read up on that side of the house. I will be more specific about file names in future if I need more help. 75.155.187.94 (talk) 06:26, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

How to locate and edit a new Catgegory for a recently uploaded picture.

I had to create a new "category" as requested by the wizard while uploading my first photo for my first draft article. Of course I made a typing error in describing the category and now I need to edit it. I have looked all over the HELP feature and I can find no way to locate or edit my new category! Please provide some clear instructions on how to first locate and then edit my category. All this is related to my article: Jean Jepson, Dancer, Teacher, Choreographer.

Teahouse has been very helpful in providing answers to my previous questions. It is not clear to me though if sending email replies would be helpful if I have a follow-up question to your initial reply. Please comment on this.CableHut (talk) 04:19, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, CableHut. The Teahouse is for answering questions about editing Wikipedia, and I think you are talking about an image uploaded to our separate sister project Wikimedia Commons instead. No matter. I went over there and clicked the "edit" button on the image you uploaded, and changed "Category:Tap" to "Category: Tap dancer". That is a very easy thing to do. The categories are near the bottom of the image file.

As for email replies, that is very rarely necessary. Just return to the thread you started, click "edit", and add a follow-up comment to the bottom of the thread. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:23, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

how long

My article has be waiting for 3 weeks+ can someone get round to it soon please. 82.38.157.176 (talk) 00:31, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, 86. You are currently working on two draft articles. Neither are currently submitted for review. So in short no one is going to get around to either anytime. And I cannot help further because I have no way of knowing which one you want to submit for review. John from Idegon (talk) 01:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh I didn't realise the one I want to be submit is Draft:List of highest-grossing animated films in Canada and the United States I thought I did send that off i do it now the other one my next project I will work on that after, i will try to send it off now if I have anymore problems I will come back.82.38.157.176 (talk) 09:22, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Back it telling me both articles have been submit82.38.157.176 (talk) 09:24, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't know why John from Idegon thought that Draft:List of highest-grossing animated films in Canada and the United States (which was indeed the draft you linked to in your original question) had not been re-submitted for review. It was submitted on 1 January. There are 435 drafts awaiting review; about a quarter of them have been waiting more than 3 weeks. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Assessing an article

I'm a new user (about 800 edits) and I've been working on the article Guccio di Mannaia which is categorized as "Start-Class", but I'd like to ask someone to take a look at it to advise me how it might be improved. Is there a particular place to ask?

Thanks!

TimeForLunch (talk) 13:29, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi TimeForLunch, your best options for such specific assistance are either WP:WikiProject Visual arts or WP:WikiProject Biography. Post your request to either Project's talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:51, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, TimeForLunch. I think that the most obvious area for improvement would be to add a photo of the Chalice of Nicholas IV, which seems to be his best known work. It may take some effort to find (or take) a freely licensed photo, but adding one would certainly enhance the reader's understanding. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:10, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)That's an interesting topic, TimeForLunch, and an interesting article – nice work! My first stop for info on that sort of figure is always the remarkable Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani, which I see you've already consulted; those articles tend to have a very full bibliography, and following up those leads might perhaps lead to some further information. Many of them are likely to be quite hard to track down. On the article qua article, some quick changes you could make might be: (1) more wikilinks – not everyone knows what a chalice is, for example; (2) cut out "deceased" and any other euphemisms, replace with "dead" or other plain English word; (3) be ruthless with anything that might appear as peacockery or puffery – "widely considered a masterpiece" is almost certainly true, but is not something you need to say here, it should be obvious from the description; (4) expand general statements where it's easy to do so – even if the source says "the papal court", it should be pretty straightforward to look up who the actual popes were that Pace di Valentino worked for; (5) build round your article – an article on Pace, even if brief, would add context (and a wikilink) to Guccio; (6) (should probably have been #1) do what Cullen328 suggests; (7) use human-readable dates! – we aren't machines, ordinary mdy or dmy works fine here. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:51, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all this input, Roger (Dodger67) (talk), Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it, and Justlettersandnumbers (talk). I’ll take all these suggestions and work on them as time permits. This advice will also help with other articles going forward. TimeForLunch (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Template to tag inadequate ref?

I was looking at Alphabetic_principle, doing a bit of copyediting, and found several refs that were badly formatted— "cite" template without "ref" tags, so the ref was expanded in the text itself; URL and title with no tagging at all— and was able to fix them up at least somewhat. But this one, in § Role in beginning reading (second paragraph, second sentence), looks hopeless:

<ref>Chall</ref>

It wouldn't be so bad if there were a Reference or External link or such with some such name, but there's no such beast. I looked for a template to tag it with, but couldn't find any such; the best I could do was

{{clarify|reason=reference is a single name, totally inadequate}}

before the "/ref" tag. Is there anything more suitable? Please ping me to answer. --Thnidu (talk) 08:46, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Thnidu: I'd have thought {{better source}} would be appropriate...but that just may reduce to the same thing as {{clarify}}. Any sort of remotely likely tag with a reason= parameter may be sufficient for the purpose: leave an in-line reason why some more editing work is required, get the page listed in a cleanup category, then drop it back into the vast lake to be picked up at some future date by you or someone else who has time and interest in fixing the problem more permanently.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:57, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Thnidu: That ref was introduced in this edit on 1 July 2010 by an IP editor who has never made any other edits. There is nothing in the context at the time to help with filling out the details. --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:21, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Thnidu: There is an author of that name who wrote about the development of reading skills, so seems to be appropriate - for example, Chall, Jeanne S.; Jacobs, Vicki A. (1 January 1983). "Writing and Reading in the Elementary Grades: Developmental Trends Among Low SES Children". Language Arts. 60 (5): 617–626.. --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:27, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

The book in question is probably Chall, Jeanne S., Learning to Read: The Great Debate, McGraw-Hill, 1967. This book is widely cited in other books that discuss the alphabetic principle. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 09:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh: Thanks. There are so many templates, including about refs, and though I searched I just could not find an appropriate one. Your suggestions are helpful.

@Gronk Oz and Cullen328: Thank you both, comrades. With this I can put in a close-to-proper cite. --Thnidu (talk) 07:25, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz, Cullen328, and Thnidu: The correct template would be {{Full citation needed}} – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:56, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Finnusertop!
Respected more-experienced colleagues Gronk Oz & Cullen328, now I don't feel so bad about not finding it. ;-)
And in searching the Web for more info about the book, I found -- whaddayaknow? -- Jeanne Chall, with a fuller citation for the 1996 edition! --Thnidu (talk) 08:14, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

removing template messages in an user space draft

I've been adding citations, they are numbered, yet don't show on the list. I'm afraid to leave the draft's page (superstition...) in order to read the related info. Can you please help? שוחרתשוחרת (talk) 01:36, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, שוחרת, and welcome to the Teahouse. Without saving the draft, it's really difficult for us to guess what's wrong. Here are the instructions for citations anyhow: Help:Referencing for beginners – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, שוחרת. I agree with Finnusertop. Other editors cannot evaluate any unsaved changes that you may have made. Based on the last saved version of your draft, those tags should not be removed, because the problems with the draft have not yet been resolved. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:52, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi שוחרת. Unfortunately I do not read Hebrew, so I am not sure how to read your name. It's OK to use non-Latin script characters in your username per WP:UN#Usernames with non-Latin characters, but it might make it a bit easier for others to communicate with you and help you if you added some easy to type characters to your signature as explained in WP:NLS. Not every editor is using a keyboard which can type Hebrew script, so they may not be able to address you by your username. You can customize your signature so that the Hebrew characters show when you sign your posts per WP:CUSTOMSIG, and then change your name to something a bit easier for more editors to understand if you want.

Finally about your draft, its seem from User talk:Kudpung#Dear Kudpung you are trying to writie an autobiography. If you are the same he:קורינה_הסופרת, who is the subject of your draft User:שוחרת/Corinna Hasofferett, then I suggest you read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, Wikipedia's Law of Unexpected Consequences and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Hebrew Wikipedia and English Wikipedia are part of the Wikimedia Foundation family, but English Wikipedia probably has a lot more people from around the world editing it and sometimes some of these people do not do so with the best of intentions. Being the creator of an article or the subject of an article does not give you any final editorial control over any edits to the article per Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, so it's important to understand that right from the start. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you all good people, Cullen, Marchjuly and Finnusertop. I'm indeed working intenslynon this article, as the perfectionist I am in all I attempt to do. It is still work in progress and will for sure take me a while, but I love it and am sure will continue to write missing articles for wikipedia, now that thanks to your continuous help I'm starting to grasp the handles and the behind the scene dramas. What I like most is the transparency. I wish we could import it into our daily political life. I will relate in good time to some of the issues you raised. Right now what baffles me is the fact that while inserting citations, they got numbered alright at the specific location, yet they do not add up to the single citation at the bottom list for citations. My question is why is that so and could it be remediated? In Thanks, שוחרת (talk) 13:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרת שוחרת (talk) 14:00, 28 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרת

Hi again שוחרת. I am a bit confused. The draft you've been working on has no citations included in it at all. In a way, this gets back to the questions I answered yesterday, where I prefaced one of my comments by saying "[i]f the latest saved version is the version you are talking about..." Based on the above, it seems it is not. If you don't save your edits to the draft, then (still on the question from yesterday), you will lose that material if you log off and don't save (unless, of course, you save it offline, in a Word document or the like). Anyway, because it seems you have not saved the edits where the citation issue has come up, it's a bit opaque what the issue actually is. Have you included a dedicated references section with a {{reflist}} template in it? Viz:

==References==

{{Reflist|30 em}}

Here's some links to pages that might help: Help:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1; more involved: Wikipedia:Citing sources; there are numerous others, and each I've linked contains see also sections linking to additional help, guides and tutorials. Also, there's a visual guide to placing inline citations through <ref> ... </ref> tags that I am posting below (just click show). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:42, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Visual inline citation guide

Formatting references using inline citations

All information in Wikipedia articles should be verified by citations to reliable sources. Our preferred method of citation is using the "cite.php" form of inline citations, using the <ref></ref> elements. Using this method, each time a particular source is mined for information (don't copy word-for-word!), a footnote is placed in the text ("inline"), that takes one to the detail of the source when clicked, set forth in a references section after the text of the article. In brief, anywhere you want a footnote to appear in a piece of text, you place an opening <ref> tag followed by the text of the citation which you want to appear at the bottom of the article, and close with a </ref> tag. Note the closing slash ("/"). For multiple use of a single reference, the opening ref tag is given a name, like so: <ref name="name"> followed by the citation text and a closing </ref> tag. Each time you want to use that footnote again, you simply use the first element with a slash, like so: <ref name="name" />. In order for these references to appear, you must tell the software where to display them, using either the code <references/> or, most commonly, the template, {{Reflist}} which can be modified to display the references in columns using {{Reflist|colwidth=30em}}. Per our style guidelines, the references should be displayed in a separate section denominated "References" located after the body of the article.
Inline citation code; what you type in 'edit mode'	What it produces when you save
Two separate citations.<ref>Citation text.</ref><ref>Citation text2.</ref> Multiple<ref name="multiple">Citation text3.</ref>citation<ref name="multiple" /> use.<ref name="multiple" /> == References == {{Reflist}}	Two separate citations. Multiple citation use. References_________________
Templates that can be used between <ref></ref> tags to format references {{Citation}} • {{Cite web}} • {{Cite book}} • {{Cite news}} • {{Cite journal}} • Others • Examples

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Thanks dear Fuhghettaboutit. I have so much more to study - tomorrow - as it is 2 am in Tel Aviv. 

As for the draft I'm working on, can you see it indeed? It does have already 3 citations, more to come. I wish I could send a screen pic via email as I'm not sure it is possible to post a link here, or allowed. I've just discovered that the citation links appear at the very bottom of the draft format, not where they should. I'll try to decipher the problem tomorrow. In short, I'm working on this draft that upon completion should be approved for publication/saving. It might take me a while. Right now it is online and shown. Thanks a lot, Good Night, שוחרת/Renica 00:04, 29 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרת שוחרת/Renica 00:08, 29 January 2017 (UTC) שוחרת

Hello, שוחרת. I don't understand why you are so nervous about saving your work. Until you save it, Wikipedia cannot see it: it is some information in the browser on your device, not in Wikipedia. The worst that can happen if you save your work is that somebody thinks you edit is inappropriate and reverts it. (Well, if it is something really contrary to Wikipedia policy like a personal attack, you could get blocked, but anything you do in good faith will be accepted as such). We really can't help you if you don't show us what the problem it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 29 January 2017 (UTC) Thanks dear ColinFine. You know, Ignorance is not always bliss ("From Thomas Gray's poem, Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College (1742): "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."[1]". I'm trying to understand the situation while an article which is a work in progress. The history is that being new to wikipedia I saved an article as one saves a document, just not to loose it, yet here it means publication as of a finished edition. It was speedy deleted indeed fast of which I learnt too late. Then it has been undeleted with the text violation deleted, to my great relief. now I'm working in what is, if I'm not mistaken, the sandbox. I'm reacting now as my son's dog when as a puppy jumped high to reach the soup which indeed smelled nicely and got very hot liquids on his body. Since then he was evading the stove most carefully. The enigma is not resolved yet for me: How do I save work in progress when working in the sandbox and under restriction. I do not mind it not being public as long as it is not completed, I only wish to be 100% sure it won't disappear from wikipedia's location. Yesterday I found out that I can save it to my screen, which is a partial solution.

In Thanks,שוחרת/Renica 02:25, 31 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרת — Preceding unsigned comment added by שוחרת (talk • contribs) שוחרת/Renica 02:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

I assume that you are talking about your userspace draft (effectively a sandbox) at User:שוחרת/Corinna Hasofferett? As you have been told a number of times earlier in this thread, if you don't save changes, we can't see them and we can't help you with your problems. The last time you saved changes to that page was 22 January before it was moved to userspace for you with the copyright violation removed. If you save your updates there, it won't be deleted unless you violate the important rules such as copyright. While it is in userspace it won't be visible to the outside world through searches such as Google, but it will be visible to us to enable us to help you if you ask questions about it. But there is no point in you asking us questions about a version which you haven't saved. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:57, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Dear David Biddulph, I finally as the Romanian saying goes "a-si lua inima in dinti" English translation: to pluck up courage and clicked on the 'Save button" for the sandbox. ( It is kind of scary name for me as in Israel we have eliminated sandboxes because dogs used those for their mundane needs...) Please do note that it is still a draft with a lot of factual info yet not included as I am simultaneously investing a lot of time and attention in studying the huge absorbing wealth of literature on wikipedia history and decisions. In Thanks,שוחרת/Renica 06:36, 31 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by שוחרת (talk • contribs)

How to save a draft so it stays draftish...

working on a draft for a long time and yet not ready but so tired. How do I save a draft without having it published, just so that it waits for me nicely? שוחרת שוחרת (talk) 21:57, 27 January 2017 (UTC) Dear Checkingfax, Teahouse host

Please respond as soon as possible, I'm afraid to leave the draft so it won't misbehave and then so many hours of work might get lost.שוחרת (talk) 22:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC) שוחרת

Hi שוחרת. If this is about User:שוחרת/Corinna Hasofferett, it's already saved as an unsubmitted user space draft, and, barring out of the ordinary matters, should stay that way, undisturbed, for you to work on at your leisure. When you are ready to submit it, just click on the Submit Your Draft for Review! button.

If this is about another draft, one you have not yet saved, so long as you do so as a user space draft, or save it in the draft namespace, the same will apply. To save it as the former, simply preview anywhere (or save at your userpage) a link in this form: [[User:שוחרת/Intuitive Name For Topic]] → click on the red link revealed → paste your content → save. For the latter, do the same, but instead of using "User:שוחרת/NAME", use "Draft:NAME" as the title. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

May I ask for clarification?

Thanks you for your response, Fuhghettaboutit. So, I have nothing to worry about? the draft will stays undisturbed, it won't disappear and I do not need to click any saving button, even if I close my computer for the night?שוחרת (talk) 22:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC) שוחרתשוחרת (talk) 22:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC) שוחרת (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרת

Hi again שוחרת. If the latest saved version is the version you are talking about, you may log off, shut down your computer, go to Tahiti for a week, and when you come back, there should be no problem (generally for six months). Of course, the reason the draft was userfied for you upon request was because of a copyright issue. One of the "out of the ordinary matters" is where a draft contains a copyright violation. That will result in deletion immediately once discovered "even" as a draft. But since that has already been addressed for this page, and assuming you added back no copied content, yes, go to bed!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:51, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Tahiti too far, almost as far as my orphaned bed of rose thorns... Grateful,שוחרת (talk) 00:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרת שוחרת (talk) 00:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

It has just crossed my mind: Has wikipedia ever discussed or considered addition of a 'Save Draft' button? My understanding and feeling are that it might save lots of time to volunteers - contributors of editors - as with such a button patrolling or deleting activities would be enabled to a better end when a work is assessed not in the stages of a half baked cake but when completed. Am I bursting into an open door?שוחרת/Renica 04:04, 31 January 2017 (UTC)Renika שוחרת

@שוחרת: I like that idiom (though I would use "through" rather than "into"); yes, you are 'bursting through an open door', because your draft, like every page one can edit, has a prominent Save changes button at the bottom when you are editing.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

You are right, Fuhghettaboutit. Even in Hebrew it was 'through'. so I have no justification except the late hour. As for the button, I was thinking that the 'Save draft' button might signal it is still a draft. Right now each time I save, I'm asked if I'm ready to ask for review toward publication and my heart starts to cringe/flutter...Many thanks for the attention.שוחרת/Renica 22:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by שוחרת (talk • contribs)

How to handle reliable sources only available w/ UN/PW or by PDF

For an entry I'm writing on an entrepreneur, I'd like to use a profile that Businessweek did of him. Unfortunately, it is not available online except as a PDF via Ebsco which I access through my library (NY Public).

The PDFs are scans of the hard copy magazine, so you see the magazine name and date in the footer. I can include link to it in Ebsco, but the url comes up as a "proxy" which is some kind of red flag to the editors, and probably won't work because you need a library card with a UN/PW.

I have downloaded the PDF's and could archive them somewhere (archive.org, say), but I don't want to go the trouble only to find out that against the rules.

I'm sure this problem has come up before and am hoping someone can direct me to the right info -- or give it to me direct.

Sam Perkins (talk) 19:05, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sam Perkins. Sources do not have to be available online. See Wikipedia:Offline sources. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:13, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hey Sam Perkins. Template:Cite includes a parameter |url-access=subscription which indicates to other readers that a paid subscription is required to access the material. Otherwise, sources behind paid subscriptions are allowed under Wikipedia's verifiability standards, even if they're less than ideal. TimothyJosephWood 19:14, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

WOW! That was fast. Thanks for such a speedy reply. Checking out your solutions now.

Sam Perkins (talk) 19:26, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

And for completeness, Sam Perkins, I'll point out that uploading a PDF of a reference is hardly ever useful. Often it would be a copyright violation anyway, but even if it is freely licensed, it will hardly ever meet the requirement of reliability: even if it was downloaded from a reliable source, it could have been altered. --ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Colin -- Just to be clear, the pdf shows a scanned copy of the magazine itself -- like a photo of the magazine, showing the print on the paper -- like referencing a page or a chapter in a book via Google books, where you see the scan of the actual page.

Thanks again.

66.108.182.251 (talk) 15:03, 30 January 2017 (UTC)Sam66.108.182.251 (talk) 15:03, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Being asked to rewrite but don't know why

It would be helpful if someone could give me an example from my attempt, that indicates specifically why it needs a 'major rewrite' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Digital_Literacy_Coach eg, you have written this "...", which is unacceptable because "..."... please? I've modelled my post on other Wikipedia articles and asked friends to proofread, and can't see how to move this forward. Having already committed many hours to this, this is now extremely frustrating. :( Mistermchugh (talk) 06:46, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello Mistermchugh and welcome to Wikipedia! The reason your draft was rejected was primarily one of WP:TONE. As reviewer David.moreno72 wrote:

This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

That is good advice. Following the advice on the pages WP:NOTESSAY, WP:TONE, WP:MFA and WP:SMOS will help you get your article approved. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 06:59, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Mistermchugh. Your draft does not read as a neutral encyclopedia article about the topic of a "Digital literacy coach" but rather a review of the literature discussing the topic and also as an advocacy piece more or less arguing that this job title is a good idea. It comes off almost as a manual for implementing the position within an an organization. There are stylistic issues as well. We do not use the formula "Smith and Jones (2005) argue that . . ." Instead, we provide full bibliographic information in footnotes (also called references), rather than shortened bibliographic information in the body of the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:38, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I've already rewritten the article in a neutral tone, this seems like an extremely subjective matter, so I'm asking if someone could illustrate exactly how the tone of my article is inappropriate with a specific example. I've read the pages you've linked to, but I feel the text confirms these expectations. Specific feedback would be far more helpful than generic criticism.

Mistermchugh (talk) 07:41, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen that's more helpful, I used the text in this Wikipedia article as guide, who use exactly the formula you've described.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formative_assessment For example where they say, "Kluger and DeNisi (1996)[26] reviewed over three thousand reports on feedback..." So it's acceptable in that post but not in mine? This is the subjectivity I'm struggling with. Again, a specific example would be far less ambiguous and far more productive. Mistermchugh (talk) 07:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. The use is just as wrong in that article as it is in yours. Generally, if you want a guide from which to base your article off of, you should use a featured article. Some new users choose to create articles themselves after having become auto confirmed rather than via the WP:AFC process, or articles are simply updated by newer users who don't know the proper way to WP:CITE; thus some sections of Wikipedia receive more scrutiny than others. But the existence of a problem with one page does not justify the existence of a problem on another. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 07:52, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

No, it is not acceptable in that article either, Mistermchugh. That article should be copy edited to remove that type of prose. We have well over five million articles and probably one to two million of them have glaring problems and need work. That does not mean that we should add new articles that also have glaring problems. Instead, we want well developed new articles that comply with our core content policies and at least approximate compliance with our Manual of style.

As for a specific example, consider this sentence: "Attempting to provide technical skills training onsite to teachers in the use of technology has been found to be insufficient, and teaching skills in isolation can be ineffective in ensuring that teachers develop this kind of knowledge, for example, how to use technology to teach content in differentiated ways according to students' learning needs, or technological pedagogical knowledge (TPK); how technology can be used to support the learning of specific curriculum content, or technological content knowledge (TCK); or how to help students meet particular curriculum content standards while using technologies appropriately, (technological pedagogical and content knowledge, or TPACK) in their learning; this is where employing the services of a dedicated DLC has been found to be useful." With all due respect, that sentence is excessively long and convoluted, uses excessive jargon and acronyms, and is confusing to me even after I have read it several times. Instead, we want neutral, descriptive prose that is concise and clear, and avoids any trace of advocacy. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Jim, this is much more helpful. Trust me to pick an article as model that is flawed. This gives me the direction I needed, your time and specificity is much appreciated.

MisterMcHugh (talk) 08:08, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

It seems to me that there's another issue, unrelated to those described above. The writer is too close to the subject, and "can't see the wood for the trees". The article appears to be addressed to readers who already know what a DLC is. many readers won't know, and the article doesn't tell them. For example:

The first sentence says that DLCs are employed at schools that have "a 1:1 provision of devices". It says nothing about what kind of device. A fountain pen? A cricket bat? I guess it means a personal computer; if so, the article needs to say so.

The second paragraph preaches aboout how schools don't employ enough DLCS. But while the reader has no idea what a DLC does, it is unclear why they should employ any at all. There's a mention of "expensive hardware": maybe the DLC's job is to prevent the pupils from stealing the "devices"? Maproom (talk) 09:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I can understand your confusion. While I cannot say with certainty that the duty of a DLC is not to assure that devices aren't stolen, I believe that the main job of the DLC is to help teachers learn about and use the technology that the school is paying for. I agree that this absolutely should be stated in the article. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 11:41, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Maproom as hard as this is for me to admit, you've probably hit the nail on the head with the 'wood for the trees' comment, now there's way too many idioms in this thread. Part of the reason for wanting this post on Wikipedia is that I'm hoping it will open this up to a wider audience, but for now, despite my arboreal proximity, I'm the only one who is prepared to write this, and also knowledgeable about the role. My hope if it ever gets published is too put out to a wider community to invite a wider discussion.

Psiĥedelisto you hit the nail on the head, so there must be something in the article that makes sense. MisterMcHugh (talk) 02:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC) MisterMcHugh (talk) 05:09, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Mistermchugh, wanting to "open this up to a wider audience" is a bad place to start in writing for Wikipedia. This is a bit paradoxical, because obviously people do write articles specifically because they think they should be there. But Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion: it reports on topics which have already been written about. If your purpose is opening up a topic to a wider audience, there are other places which fit that purpose better. --ColinFine (talk) 17:25, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

ColinFine We can nitpick about the semantics and sensibilities about what you may or may not feel are my possibly nefarious motivations for creating this post—but let me assure you, I have one motivation, to add to the existing body knowledge; that is it. I have no agenda, I do not stand to benefit personally from this article, I created it because quite frankly I was/am amazed that there isn't already an article dealing with this, which is also more than a little ironic given the nature of the role. So, to clarify, as I see the whole point of Wikipedia in large part about opening up knowledge in general 'to a wider audience' ie not just those who are have paid for access to an online encyclopedia. That's it, is that so hard to accept? MisterMcHugh (talk) 02:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I certainly didn't mean to suggest anything in any way nefarious, MisterMcHugh, and if I came across that way, I apologise. I absolutely recognise your good intent in writing this: I was trying to suggest a reason why you might be finding it a frustrating experience, that (from what you had said) I thought your intention was not quite in alignment with that of Wikipedia. I'm sorry if it came over any other way. --ColinFine (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2017

Allee raza (talk) 05:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

allee raza

Welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know what you were trying to achieve with this edit, but a semi-protected edit request needs to be placed on the talk page of the article which you wish to be edited, and it needs to specify exactly what you want changed. For example, you could say "Please replace "abc" by "def"", and you also ought to provide a reference to a published independent reliable source to support the change. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:30, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Allee raza, please read David Biddulph's reply, just above this comment.

@David Biddulph: Allee raza won't have been notified of your reply, because you just typed their username without [[User:...]] or any of the templates, like {{u}} or {{reply to}} (a.k.a. {{ping}}), that would trigger a notification. --Thnidu (talk) 08:59, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Thnidu: If you look at who typed what here, you'll see that I didn't type Allee raza's username here, and you may wish to look at User talk:Allee raza to see the notification. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:16, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Ooops! I apologize for my misunderstanding here. Clearly, that "semi-protected" process has twists that I don't understand. --Thnidu (talk) 08:28, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Limited knowledge

How can I become a better editor if I know very little about a topic Patrick69046 (talk) 17:18, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Your knowledge about a topic isn't really relevant. The content of an article is dependent on what published reliable sources independent of the subject say, so those sources are what you need to be finding and reading. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:26, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, theres a lot of ways to become better at a topic, 1. Look for a topic your good at or one that you enjoy in real life 2. Look for verifiable sources on this topic and then you can put it on wikipedia and while that won't make you a better editor it will let you learn more about a topic, If you want to know how to become a better editor i'd recommend going to the Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. Have a nice day and good luck with editing! Wikipediauser123456 (talk) 23:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Wiki

What do you think I should write?😁 — Preceding unsigned comment added by B00K11 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@B00K11: I'd browse topics you find interesting, and also click on Random Article, and learn a few things by editing some that come up, even minor edits, such as adding a reference, or any content you find that might be useful is great to add on. Also -- please remember to use the four tides (~ ~ ~ ~) (without the spaces in between them) when commenting so we know who started the discussion :) Happy Editing! ActiveListener95|(˥ǝʇs Ɔɥɐʇ)