User talk:Bayesedam
April 2018
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Walashma's ethnic identity
Listen, we really have no conclusive evidence whatsoever in the historical record that they were Somali, "Harla", Argobba or this or that... Most early historians just take them to be "Arabs" based on their genealogies and the fact that Arabic was seemingly the court-language which doesn't mean much, as I'm sure you know, because nearly every Muslim ethnic group in the Horn of Africa has similar Arabian genealogies and most Horn-African medieval and early modern elites (Somali or otherwise) used Arabic for trade and writing, giving it a similar prestige as what Ge'ez enjoyed among Christians until about the 17th-18th centuries. But, nevertheless, we have no actual evidence from the historical record (Futuh al-Habasha, writings from foreigners and so on) that make the Walashma's ethnic background obvious.
In fact, there are a small number of Ethiopian historians who like to claim (in books that can be sourced) that they were "Argobba" or some sort of Southern Ethiosemitic speaking group, albeit with really no evidence other than some dubious local oral traditions... I mention this because the page used to be marred by edit wars between Somalis and a lunatic who is now banned because he kept insisting they were Argobba as well as others who were insisting they were Arabs. We all ended up agreeing that there truly was no clear evidence that they were of any of these particular groups and just left the main text neutral ("A Muslim Dynasty")whilst still leaving in sources that claimed they were POSSIBLY of this or that origin (Arab or Somali, etc.).
Now I mean no offense and please don't get annoyed here but I must ask that you leave whatever ethnic pride you have at the door and don't trigger another ridiculous ethnic edit war and please leave the page neutral because you really have no sources that claim, conclusively, with sufficient evidence, that they were Somali and I don't want admins to get involved and for me to have to point that out. I'm going to revert the page now and ask that you leave it be. There are several parts of it already that point out a likely or possible Somali origin without seeming too biased toward Somalis in particular, that should be enough considering we likely will never know, conclusively, what their ethnic origin was. Awale-Abdi (talk) 13:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC)