Talk:List of Star Trek: Discovery episodes

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I definitely don't think this article needs it own page. The shorts don't warrant a separate page, they too can be included under the episodes section of the parent article, and it's been agreed on a pretty strong consensus that two seasons is no longer the standard on which to split,. -- Alex^TW 02:27, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is any consensus on when to split at this point honestly. We just need to do what's best. I agree that the shorts shouldn't have their own page, but including all of their information (which will grow over the next few months) plus full season episode lists at the already pretty big series article seems like too much for me. Not too much that a split must happen, but still at a point where a split will be useful. Anyway, it was a bold change and I am happy to discuss it further. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:09, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@BoogerD: Could you please contribute your thoughts here? - adamstom97 (talk) 03:41, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, I can add much. I feel as though I'd have to agree with @Adamstom.97:, that the main series article is already quite large and that over the next few months (presumably through next March) a section devoted to the spin-off series will only grow larger. Worth noting that After Trek, which also airs on CBS All Access has its own article. My personal editing philosophy is "Contribute. Let go." I try and avoid getting involved in endless policy discussions and devote my time and energy contributing in ways I find more useful. Maybe it makes me a weak or ineffectual editor for not going toe to toe with others over our dissenting opinions but...oh well. I will say that I'd be curious to hear the opinions of more editors. Overall, I think my edits speak for themself in regards to what I think. – BoogerD (talk) 04:19, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Star Trek: Discovery article is already over 135 kB after this split! Looking at WP:TOOBIG it notes that at 60 kB the article probably should be divided, and at over 100 kB it almost certainly should be divided. If the episodes aren't divided out, then what? With another season dropping in a few weeks, the article is only going to get longer. Nfitz (talk) 18:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

TOOBIG is referring to readable prose size, and if you look at that measurement for Star Trek: Discovery you'll see that it is only at 38kB which falls under the "Length alone does not justify division" category. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:09, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good point. Though by the time you add in this page, you are pushing the 50 kB point - and it's only going to get longer. Put it in now, to pull it out again in a few months? Nfitz (talk) 03:08, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@AlexTheWhovian and BoogerD: At this point I feel that the shorts need to be split-off to their own article, now that the show is out and people keep confusing it with Discovery (they are technically two different series). If we make that split, I would be happy to merge the episode list back into the main article. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are they technically two different series? They are all Discovery shorts, not other series shorts. They have the same production credits, including Bryan Fuller. They use the Star Trek:Discovery theme and graphics in the credits. They show USS Discovery in the opening credits and note that Star Trek:Discovery is a trademark of CBS. Meanwhile CBS themselves say that the shorts link them to Discovery link. I think it's too soon to conclude they are more than part of Star Trek:Discovery. Either way, we need to be consistent. We can't be adding the Shorts to this page, at the same time you are trying to remove the reference to them from the main page. As such, if we keep the shorts here, I'll restore that text you removed from the main page. Nfitz (talk) 03:08, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Length of short episodes

I see a user has removed a column of episode lengths from the shorts, with the rather brief edit comment "unnecessary". Typically if lengths vary considerably we document length in articles for individual episodes - but that is not an option here. I see no reason, not to add the episode length, and no discussion of not doing so at Template talk:Episode list or Template:Episode table - only descriptions on how to do it. I'm not sure why one would consider episode length unnecessary when the far less useful "production code" seems to plague so many episode lists! Does anyone have any thoughts about this, before I restore this what I consider to be an unnecessary deletion? Nfitz (talk) 18:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I disagree with the inclusion of production codes too, so try not to assume what I think. Is there support in the documentation, or at least a great multitude of other articles that include episode lengths that can support your argument? -- Alex^TW 23:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No assumptions here - and though I think such codes are unnecessary, general consensus is that they can be there. For episode length - what harm is done by putting the information there? What is gained by removing the information? Unlike episode summaries, it adds no extra lines to the table. With no standard episode length, the information is of interest. Where should such information go otherwise? Most shows air in a standard time slot and vary little. (Hmm in writing this comment, I'm interested to notice that Discovery episodes themselves vary a lot more than I was aware, with Vaulting Ambition less than 37 minutes, and Battle at the Binary Stars only 38 minutes, despite running in a standard 60-minute time slot.). Nfitz (talk) 02:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nfitz, in the prose section before the table. "Episodes vary between MIN and MAX minutes each", with a source to back this up. (Also as a sidenote, "Battle at the Binary Stars" and all further episodes did not air in any timesplot, they were released directly on CBSAA.) -- Alex^TW 02:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose that works for a series with two episodes. But how do you handle longer series? (obviously I'm referring to markets where Discovery is primarily broadcast, rather than streamed - CBSAA doesn't even carry Discovery at all in some markets - although this isn't particularly germane to this discussion - other than me pondering that perhaps timings should be added to Season 1 as well). Nfitz (talk) 03:11, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The shorts are only four episodes. There's no need for the length of all of them, only the smallest and the largest. The regular episodes don't need a length time, their span is already covered in the parent article infobox. -- Alex^TW 03:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]