Talk:Napoleon

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Name conventions

It may be technically correct, but referring to him in one-seventh of this (18,000-word) article as Bonaparte, when he's universally known in our era as Napoleon, is off-putting and odd. Sca (talk) 20:59, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

No worse than using "Wellesley" before he became "Wellington". Sticking with what is technically correct or conventional prevents wikipedia being accused of revisionism or anything like that, which is more off-putting for academics who want accurate terms rather than contemporary or politically correct ones. He was Bonaparte pre-Emperor and Napoleon thereafter. Most historians use that format also, because Emperor is a royal title and royals are almost always called by their first name, which means it's coming from sources not modern concepts. Using Bonaparte upto 1804 is a matter of decorum: General Bonaparte, First Consul Bonaparte, Emperor Napoleon I of France (with WP:SOVEREIGN letting us just use Napoleon). — Marcus^(talk) 06:34, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

He was Bonaparte pre-Emperor and Napoleon thereafter.

– Reality check: He was Napoleon before, too, in general usage and understanding. This "technically" correct differentiation between the two doesn't serve the vast majority of readers, who will only be confused. Historians and other academics will already know the general outline of N's career (not to mention his full name). Sca (talk) 14:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm guessing, due to your ignorance, that you don't realise it meant He was [formally known as] Bonaparte pre-Emperor and Napoleon thereafter. I hope you don't need everything spelled out to you. — Marcus^(talk) 14:36, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I gather from the disparaging tone of your comments that you are are ill-mannered snob. Please review WP:CIV, WP:NPA. – Sca (talk) 22:17, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Reality check: Nothing to review there, your own condescending tone determined the manner of my reply. Suck it up. BTW, calling someone a "snob" is an uncivil attack. Hypocrite. Please review WP:GFY. — Marcus^(talk) 23:06, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, that was a typo. Sca (talk) 15:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

But articles shouldn't cater to a specific audience over the majority of others. This isn't a peer-reviewed journal paper or academic history book, it's an encyclopedia for everyone. Also, Marcus, you could have been a lot more civil about that. Prinsgezinde (talk) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

So? When literally the first line of the page explains that Bonaparte is Napoleon's last name, non-academic readers aren't going to be confused. --Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 09:57, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree with User:MarcusBritish and User:Scrooge MacDuck this an encyclopeadia. Using such distinctions will help educate the readers into the usage they will find in reliable sources, and, if school pupils, help them attain better marks in their history essays. In fact the section "Hundred Days" should refer to him as Boneparte because apart from his adherents no one else recognised him as emperor but as an outlaw and/or userper (see s:Declaration at the Congress of Vienna). -- PBS (talk) 13:42, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Poisoning troops at Jaffa

Revision is needed of 2.2. "To speed up the retreat, Bonaparte ordered plague-stricken men to be poisoned with opium; the number who died remains disputed, ranging from a low of 30 to a high of 580."

The allegations of Napoleon poisoning his own men in the aftermath of Jaffa are a highly disputed topic - there is insufficient evidence for this to assertion to be made with such certainty, particularly without adequate citation. It must also be considered that this subject is plagued by contemporary rumour - see, for contrasting examples, Emmanuel Las Cases' Memoirs of the life, exile and conversations of the Emperor Napoleon (1836) and François-René Chateaubriand's Portrait of Bonaparte (1814).

Either; the debate on this matter should receive adequate discussion in the article, this sentence should be heavily qualified and appropriately cited, or it should be removed entirely in the meantime. Joelj7 (talk) 16:29, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Napoleon's second wife .

She is described as of German royalty. In fact, she was the daughter of Joseph II, emperor of Austria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.220.194.49 (talk) 23:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Portrait de Napoléon Ier

Bitte, Can you change the chosen picture of Napoléon Ier to the one that illustrate this page Viele Danke.LeDernierConsul (talk) 11:01, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Removing the "of Italian descent" from the intro

This unecessary part that was added by an Italian sockpuppeteering user in early May should be removed. This has nothing to do in the introduction and is explained just as needed in the "Early life" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.119.68.246 (talk) 19:42, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done MOS:ETHNICITY: 'Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.' Renamed user 2563edsdasdvas1d (talk) 17:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Height

The text on his height is a bit confusing. This is probably due to paragraphing. In any case, it needs changing. "At 5 feet 2 inches (1.57 m), he was the height of an average French male but short for an aristocrat or officer (part of why he was assigned to the artillery, since at the time the infantry and cavalry required more commanding figures).[254] It is possible he was taller at 5 feet 7 inches (1.70 m){Huh Why write this HERE?] due to the difference in the French measurement of inches.[255][Shouldn't this be in the same paragraph as what follows]

"Some historians believe that the reason for the mistake about his size at death came from use of an obsolete old French yardstick (a French foot equals 33 cm, while an English foot equals 30.47 cm).[254] Napoleon was a champion of the metric system and had no use for the old yardsticks. It is more likely that he was 5 feet 2 inches (1.57 m), the height he was measured at on St. Helena...." 37.99.48.115 (talk) 06:07, 17 November 2019 (UTC)