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Creating new page for a company
Creating a new page for a company. Dear all, I need help creating a page for a 41-year-old company I'm working with. What could be the reason that the page was deleted. I want to mention that I did not want to publish yet, cause it's not ready, could not find a save botton, had to publish it, knowing it will not be online. Please advise me what to do as a beginner.
thank you Armen Sepetjian (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Armen Sepetjian, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have some misunderstandings about Wikipedia. First, everything, everywhere in Wikipedia is published, in the sense that it is visible (and in most cases, editable) by anybody in the world - articles, drafts, personal pages, everything. That is why the Wikimedia Foundation insisted that the "save" button be renamed "Publish". That is a different sense from when we "publish" something as an article in the main encyclopaedia.
- Secondly, what we create here is not "pages for" a company or anything else; it is articles about notable subjects. Not every company (just like not every sports person, politician, musician, artist...) is notable in Wikipedia's eyes: we require that an article be based close to 100% on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about it, and therefore such independent published sources must exist. Your company may be notable, but most companies in the world are not. Thirdly, if you are working with the company, you almost certainly have a conflict of interest; and if you are in any way compensated by the company (whether as an employee or volunteer, or as a contractor) you are required to make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor.
- If you can clear those hurdles, then you may try to create a draft article about your company, using the articles for creation process. This is a very difficult task for new editors, and even more difficult for editors with a conflict of interest, because material that looks straightforward to you may look promotional to other editors. But if you want to try, Your first article is the place to look.
- In short: if you are coming here to tell the world about your company, you are probably in the wrong place (I mean Wikipedia, not the Teahouse). That's not what Wikipedia is for. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Armen Sepetjian (talk) 09:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC) Thank you for your prompt reply. Honestly, I was hired months ago to accomplish certain tasks, one of the most important one in this, being present on Wikipedia. It was my fault I tested an unfinished page. The company I'm working with is not similar to any other food product distributor. It's something related to Middle Eastern Culture, Lebanese culture. I have many reasons to believe that Al Wadi company must be present on Wikipedia. All I need is your advice, as you mentioned above, I will go to the "Articles for Creation page" and proceed from that step. Hopefully when I'm in need of help I will hear from you. thank you Armen Sepetjian (talk) 09:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- It's not your fault if you were given a task that may be impossible to fill. Nevertheless, if this company is truly WP:Notable and it is shown to be so by WP:Reliable sources, then welcome! Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
HELP
Hi, I just noted that the user {u|Dean197} has deleted plenty of text from this article "Mi Notebook Air" url:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi_Notebook_Air. I had spent a lot of my time editing it and it now fees like a waste of time.... Was this article previously reviewed by a senior editor before acceptance. If so, is it ok for someone to remove most of the text from the article? Should I edit other articles or not? Can someone please review/? Thank you for your advice. Earthianyogi (talk) 01:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Earthianyogi, welcome to the Teahouse. From what I can tell Dean197 removed content that was considered unnecessary and/or lacked citations. I see you've left a message to Dean197 on the talk page; I have pinged them on your behalf. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Tenryuu, Thank you for your response. I did read his/her comments "content that was considered unnecessary and/or lacked citations.". Thanks for pointing it out. However, I think slightly different as follows:
1. I check this user's profile and s/he seems like an inexperienced editor on Wikipedia. Also, they have not yet replied.
2. This editor seems to have made no effort to correct it themselves. If they cannot, they should at least try to find the missing references. If they cannot, they should leave a [citation needed] tag on the article and leave it for others to improve it. If they cannot, they should contact the author of the article. I feel so because the article must have been passed by a senior editor and maybe worth it.
3. How can we assess this user's credibility in deleting the text? I mean, a text that is relevant to one person may be irrelevant to another, depending on their perspective.
4. If an editor feels that some content needs to be deleted, then they should first check with the author of the article or other editors before doing so.
5. I edited a few Wikipedia articles. I noticed that references are missing in many places in various articles. That does not mean that the text is any less relevant. I just feel that sometimes authors do not have the time or the energy to add these references, or some do not even have that kind of training to do so. Therefore, we should put a collaborative effort to make and improve Wikipedia, rather than just deleting another person's effort.
6. Please note I am not the author of this article. However, I had spent time editing it, and I feel like it has been a waste of my time when someone just comes along a deletes the text. I wonder how would the author of the article feeling.
I hope I am making sense.
Thank you
Earthianyogi (talk) 09:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Earthianyogi. Yes, you are making sense; but no, that is not entirely how this works. The relevant policy is BRD. If you read this, you will see that your point 4 is specifically wrong. As for your other points:
- 1 is not relevant, except that the other editor may also be unfamiliar with how we work.
- 2: I agree that that would be preferable, but there are many reasons why people do, or don't edit in the most preferably way.
- 3: I'm not sure what the "credibility" of an editor is. Editing Wikipedia is a combination of applying rules and policies, and balancing subjective views of what is appropriate: that's why we have BRD. AGF says that we should treat all editors equally unless and until their continued behaviour gives cause for concern.
- 5:Wikipedia policy does not require everything to be cited, as long as it could be in principle, (see WP:PERENNIAL#Require inline citations for everything), but editors are often more picky about new material introduced. You are entitled to introduce material without citation (as long as you have verified that there is a source that could be cited - but then, why not cite it?); Dean197 is entitled to regard that as unsatisfactory, and remove it. The next step is to discuss the question and reach consensus.
- 6: Usually "the author of the article" is a phrase without a referent. Most Wikipedia articles are the work of several, sometimes many, separate editors. It is in the nature of how we work that sometimes people will put in effort that is ultimately discarded. This is one of the reasons why it is sometimes a good idea to propose a change on the article's talk page before making a change.
- Note that I haven't even been to look at the article and your edits, so I am making no statement about whether I agree or disagree with your additions: I'm just answering your questions about the process. --ColinFine (talk) 09:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- ColinFine, Thank you for your reply. I agree with all your points. Concerning point 4, I have not looked at the policy; however, I was just porpoising that we do so. But it is okay if that has already been thought through. I regard to credibility, I mean how do we ensure that the person has the right set of knowledge and skills to do so. Also, a text that is relevant to one person may be irrelevant to another, depending on their perspective. May be the person is just a fraud (how do we assess?). I mainly edited the text of the article, without adding any new info or removing any old info from it. It is okay that some of the work gets discarded, but It has to be done in the right way on a factual basis; otherwise, it is just discouraging. Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 09:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- ColinFine, also, I read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle. It talks about positive contributions. Just deleting a text without any discussion does not sound positive or constructive to me. Also, it mentions nothing about deleting text. Another editor Tenryuu and I have left comments on Dean197's talk page, but have not got a response yet. Thanks. Earthianyogi (talk) 10:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, Earthianyogi. You were bold, Dean197 reverted, now you're discussing. That's how it works. As for credibility: there is no particular knowledge required to edit any article constructively. There are some basic skills in using and understanding English, which we assume that an editor has until they give us reason to doubt that; there are some skills in how Wikipedia works, which we assume that a new editor does not have, but try to teach them gently. You are right that there are people who come on here not to build an Encyclopaedia; but we start by assuming good faith. And if a large edit is done by a vandal or POV pusher, it is usually straightforward to undo it, so nothing is completely lost. --ColinFine (talk) 11:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- ColinFine, Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 11:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
From quick look, the article was tagged before Dean197's deletions with too much detail and citations needed - and much of what was deleted was separately tagged with citation needed - so the actions were not entirely arbitrary. If citations can be found for the deleted content it may be appropriate to restore it, or some of it. Personally, I agree that even if citations are available, there was too much esoteric detail. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a document that helps a person decide which notebook to buy. David notMD (talk) 13:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- David notMD, Thank you. I understand, but in that case, why should this article be accepted by Wikipedia in the first place? I feel that it should be completely removed, should n't it? Earthianyogi (talk) 20:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Earthianyogi: if you feel that the article does not meet Wikipedia's criteria, you may nominate it for articles for deletion. Make sure you read WP:BEFORE first. --ColinFine (talk) 08:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Tenryuu,:David notMD,:ColinFine,:Earthianyogi: This is a very insightful discussion and really helpful. As pointed out, I am a new editor. And as I noted in the edit summaries, I removed some sections due to lack of citations and what appeared to be overly specific detail that the regular person wouldn't be interested in. Some of the text also sounded like it was lifted from an advertisement, so I amended some of that to sound more impartial to the topic at hand. I can image how frustrating it would be to have someone come along and remove text you'd put considerable time and effort into making. However, so much of the instruction aimed at new editors is to be bold and as I am a professional writer in my day job I thought I'd take a crack at making the page more useful to the average reader. I could be totally wrong and have missed the point, however, and very much welcome any feedback from experienced editors out there. Dean197 (talk) 10:28, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Help, Help, Help!
Hi, this is Shadowblade08 again. I only get onto Wikipedia around once a week, and every time I ask a question, it gets archived before I can read the answers that people typed. Here the deal, is there a way that I can stop people from archiving my questions, or is there a way that I can find them? Thx. Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:27, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Your previous questions were "Who was this written by?" on Talk:Coronavirus disease 2019, "Hi everyone, just wanted to check in, and see what was up", "I was just curious, there is so little content in this story. Would it be possible to have someone to write more? on Talk:STS-3, 'Would it be helpful to combine all the different COVID-19 articles into one article, and just have them labeled under different topics?", "Is it possible for me to close a topic on my discussion page?", and "Do you have a coat of arms?". You can't really be surprised that we're not going to keep things like that live indefinitely. You can find the archived questions here by typing in the search field near the top of the Teahouse page where it says "Search archives"—if you're not sure of the exact wording of your question, the easiest thing to do is search for your username. ‑ Iridescent 15:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Excuse me, but I realize that you are clearly annoyed at me. If you want to just be annoyed at me, lets talk about it on my talk page, because there is no reason for me to do it here, where you are definitely not answering my questions. If you want to answer my question, then great, but your not, at least, yet. Thanks again, Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Despite the fact that you had no question here? And your previous questions were answered? puggo (talk) 16:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Not the only people annoyed with you. You joined three weeks ago, have done ~150 edits, but none to articles. Instead, you pose questions at Teahouse and invite other editors to chat with you on your Talk page. Talk is not for chat, and Teahouse is for asking questions about how to edit articles. Get with the program. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- David notMD, some edits to an article were made, like this one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Which I had reverted a few days later because all of the content added was already in the article. David notMD (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- David notMD, some edits to an article were made, like this one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Not the only people annoyed with you. You joined three weeks ago, have done ~150 edits, but none to articles. Instead, you pose questions at Teahouse and invite other editors to chat with you on your Talk page. Talk is not for chat, and Teahouse is for asking questions about how to edit articles. Get with the program. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Despite the fact that you had no question here? And your previous questions were answered? puggo (talk) 16:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Excuse me, but I realize that you are clearly annoyed at me. If you want to just be annoyed at me, lets talk about it on my talk page, because there is no reason for me to do it here, where you are definitely not answering my questions. If you want to answer my question, then great, but your not, at least, yet. Thanks again, Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- DavidnotMD, I would like to point out that I was only editing what I knew. I knew that there was info like that in the talk page, but people want to read the article not the talk page.
- Shadowblade08, the location of your thread in the archives is linked in the message in your talk page informing you of the archival. Look for a blue "here" to click.
- With that out of the way, what's with your reply to Iridescent that you modified later on, and your reply to the thread immediately below? Are you trying to find out how far you can take the trolling before the nice people at Wikipedia block you? I note that David notMD tried to advise you at your talk already; it's becoming quite clear you are not here to improve the encyclopedia. I would be very careful about your next few edits. This is not a place to hang out and troll around. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- By the nice people I think you mean all the people that are annoyed at me, like you and DavidnotMD, and lots of other people. Whats the deal, cant we just RIP?
- Usedtobecool,
- I am very aware of that, however at my age, there is very little that I actually can type about, because most of the things on Wikipedia I have know idea of how to talk about. I am sorry that you are disappointed in my edits, but I am only typing what I know about. (which isn't much)
- If y'all would stop arguing for a little bit, and pay attention, cause I have another question. Going back to the original question, I know how to find it. (thanks to the page that I read, not you guys) Now my question is, is there anyway to stop an comment or article, (or whatever else you want to call it) from getting achieved?
- Some people who have automatic archiving of their user talk pages add some kind of code to stop certain posts from being archived, which means that there are ways, but Teahouse posts don't need that. (If you were to add any such code to your posts, the code would be removed, because Teahouse posts do have to be archived when there hasn't been any discussion for a while – the page would grow completely unmanageable otherwise.) As long as discussion in a section is actively going on, that section will not be archived. --bonadea contributions talk 14:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- {{Do not archive until}} it's the right time, Bonadea. Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, that is the code, but I can't think of any situation where it would be used in the Teahouse. --bonadea contributions talk 11:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- {{Do not archive until}} it's the right time, Bonadea. Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Some people who have automatic archiving of their user talk pages add some kind of code to stop certain posts from being archived, which means that there are ways, but Teahouse posts don't need that. (If you were to add any such code to your posts, the code would be removed, because Teahouse posts do have to be archived when there hasn't been any discussion for a while – the page would grow completely unmanageable otherwise.) As long as discussion in a section is actively going on, that section will not be archived. --bonadea contributions talk 14:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification
Hi, I have received this following notice. I am not sure what is this and what I am suppose to do? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
"Disambiguation link notification for April 22
An automated process has detected that you recently added links to disambiguation pages.
- Hello, Earthianyogi. It's warning you that some of the wikilinks you added to Blended threat were to pages that are only disambiguation pages, and it would almost certainly be better to replace them with (probably piped) links to the specific topic that is relevant here: specifically Operations and Environment. There's nothing you have to do - that's why it's only a warning - but if you are going to add links to help the reader, it helps them more to link to the specific article. In my opinion, while some of the links you added were good ones, eg "Cyber-attack" I think that linking to life, information, operations, environment and property are really examples of WP:overlinking. --ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, ColinFine. Thank you. I have removed these links to life, information, operations, environment and property. Earthianyogi (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Earthianyogi, In your preferences, go to Gadgets and in the Appearance section, enable "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange"; and every time you add a wikilink, check back to see whether it is blue or orange. Orange links need to be replaced by the appropriate blue ones, usually from among the ones listed in the page pointed to by that orange link. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Usedtobecool, fantastic. That's a cool trick. Thank you :)
Earthianyogi (talk) 13:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Help these users are threatening me that I will be blocked and deleting my work
I need help. Some people are threatening me that I will be blocked and deleting my work. First they said I did not add reference. Even though I gave all reference. Now they are removing line saying, this is duplicate. They are removing the most important information from the article abstract. The abstract needs this. I have followed the rules and not done anything wrong. Please see this and ask them to stop blocking me.Pratap Pandit (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Pratap Pandit: Per the note on your talk page, the block warning is due to edit warring. Stop making changes to the article and discuss on the article's talk page to get consensus on the changes. RudolfRed (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Pratap Pandit, Howdy hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! For starters, you are edit warring, wherein you repeat the same edit. That is not helpful, and can get you blocked. The way to solve this problem is to discuss it on the talk page (Talk:2020 Palghar mob lynching). Its possible this is a simple misunderstanding, please discuss it with the other editors. If that fails, there are multiple forms of dispute resolution available. But please don't edit war, that is disruptive. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 15:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
CaptainEek, Ok I will do as you asked.
RudolfRed, Please read the line they are removing. The user is saying it is nor fit for LEAD, but it is THE MOST IMPORTANT LINE of the article. Please see this news article why it is important. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/no-muslim-arrested-for-palghar-lynching-incident-maharashtra-minister-anil-deshmukh/articleshow/75288363.cms
I think these users are BJP agents and that is why they are removing important facts from the article to spread rumours. They must be blocked.
- @Pratap Pandit: It looks like you may be engaged in a content dispute. If your change gets reverted, you can use the talk pages of articles. And no, you are not going to be blocked unless if you cause disruption. Read our block policy for more details. You can do almost anything here with common sense. Aasim 15:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Aasim as CaptianEek asked I raised the issue on Talk:2020 Palghar mob lynching but no one is replying. Instead now they have asked administrator with false case of Edit warring.
I have not violated the 3 revert rule that this user explained on my wall. So with only 2 edits, how can they file the false report ? is this allowed ? Pratap Pandit (talk)
- @Pratap Pandit: I am guessing it's been resolved to your satisfaction; sometimes erroneous reports are made, administrators review them, so nothing bad results. Sometimes, admins can make mistakes too; if that happens, there are processes to appeal, and discuss more broadly among Wikipedia community. Do note, however, that 3RR rule is not a license to revert 3 times. Wikipedia functions on common sense, and WP:GAMING can backfire spectacularly. Even in minor matters like 3RR, admins can block an editor for edit-warring even if the 3RR line has not been crossed. On the other hand, according to that report, you had not made any reverts after receiving a warning at your talk page; that reflects very highly on you. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Usedtobecool After reading WP:GAMING, it seems I was being lured to step into the trap for blocking. Yes, I am satisfied with the verdict given by the administrator RegentsPark on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Pratap_Pandit_reported_by_User:GreaterPonce665_(Result:_No_violation_). Yes, I have read the full page on Edit warring, and I plan to strictly follow these rules. I was surprised by the hostile manner I was treated by them. The threat of getting blocked had got me stressed and I immediately clicked the Help link on left margin that brought me here. This thread on teahouse was my last ditch effort to seek help, had I received a similar response here I would have abandoned Wikipedia. I am glad that I asked help and the users were so welcoming. RudolfRed, CaptainEek, and Aasim thankfully explained the matter well. Aasim and MrClog also discussed the issue I had raised with the other editors after which they relented and allowed my edit for which they were edit warring. I have read the welcome post by Aasim those were helpful in explaining basic things. I see that other user who was posting on my talk page is now blocked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brihaspati#Blocked Pratap Pandit (talk) 11:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Pratap Pandit, that editor was blocked for a completely unrelated reason.
- India-Pakistan and Hindu-Muslim issues are among the riskiest and most unpleasant areas of editing in Wikipedia; even experienced editors could lose perspective over there; many avoid those areas like the plague. Naturally, most new editors from India/Pakistan are likely to start off on these very minefields and end up quickly blocked wrongly or rightly; being right about an issue isn't enough, you have to know the right way to go about convincing others too. There is something called Discretionary sanctions authorised for India-related editing where administrators have more personal discretion to enforce the rules more strictly, which you should expect to receive a notice about soon. Be especially careful when editing India-Pakistan and Hindu-Muslim articles; you could get into trouble in Wikipedia or worse, in real life. So, be careful not to divulge any information about yourself that others could use to track down your real-world identity, if you intend to continue to edit these areas. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:21, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Serial Number, about your reply below, I admit I had lost my nerves, but you need to understand the very stressful situation I was pushed into, please see this thread to understand. Usedtobecool how can you be so sure that it was a completely unrelated reason ? The Wikipedia article says "Swarajya (magazine) is an Indian monthly print magazine and online news-portal. The publication subscribes to right-wing liberalism and critics note it to be a pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) publication". If you look at the line, which these 3 users were edit warring to remove, it perfectly fits this description. I am following the policies so I hope I will not get anymore ominous notice. Ok, I will be careful in the topic. Pratap Pandit (talk) 12:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Pratap Pandit, A discretionary sanction is only intended to be informative; if indeed you receive one, please do not take it as implying anything wrong with your editing so far. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:18, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Usedtobecool, the nomenclature used is really strange, why would someone call it "sanction" if it is intended to be informative ? Oxford dictionary defines Sanction as "a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule". Looks like Wikipedia chooses its names to strike fear into the users. Someone should think of a better name for it. The information nevertheless is useful, it will save me another heart attack. Many thanks. --Pratap Pandit (talk) 13:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Pratap Pandit, hah! that was just my mind skipping over a word; I meant to say discretionary sanctions notice. (The sanction itself is indeed very sanctiony, and very indicative of wrongful conduct.) And, turns out, the correct terminology is even milder—it's apparently an "Alert". The template for the alert is at {{Alert}} if you're interested. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Phew Usedtobecool, "alert" is indeed lot less terrifying than the former. The links you gave are very helpful. Will follow what is said there. I would appreciate if you could help me to clarify one more thing. I have already read Good Faith and Civility policies. This blocked user seems to have taken a ginormous offence about my question. On his talk page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brihaspati#Blocked, he claimed, "I called him B worker" This is absolutely false. All I did was ask him that question as I had this suspicion. A query is not the same as declaration. Is even asking such a question, considered a sanction-able offence here or was that user over reacting ? Pratap Pandit (talk) 14:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Pratap Pandit, it's not sanctionable on its own, no. The editor was justifiably offended; I am not going to investigate the extent of their reaction and whether it goes into the "over-" territory. Context matters. If I were asking someone if they are an Ayurvedic doctor in real life because of their demonstrated expertise in the area, it would be a compliment; if I asked the same question to imply that they were pushing pseudoscience, it would be an attack, specifically, an ad-hominem attack. Neutrality is one of the three core policies of Wikipedia; so that which might as well be worded "Your edits are so biased; they could only be coming from someone brainwashed or paid by the BJP" would be offensive to any editor, especially so an editor who has possibly received all kinds of insults and accusations, having been active in one of the most unpleasant areas of the project. Tell you what, focus on content, not the editor (unless you have sufficient evidence of the editor's wrongdoing to push for some kind of sanction; even then, best focus on the actions, not motivations/affiliations) and there's never any reason to worry. While we are at it, there are some questions that you ought not ask even of friends (see WP:OUTING). Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:33, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Brihaspati has been indeffed for undisclosed paid editing wrt Swarajya, so I wouldn't worry about them taking offence, though your general remarks are well taken, Usedtobecool. Bishonen | tålk 15:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC).
- At the time, the unblock was looking like a matter of formality; am I glad I suppressed by contrarian urges! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Brihaspati has been indeffed for undisclosed paid editing wrt Swarajya, so I wouldn't worry about them taking offence, though your general remarks are well taken, Usedtobecool. Bishonen | tålk 15:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC).
- Pratap Pandit, it's not sanctionable on its own, no. The editor was justifiably offended; I am not going to investigate the extent of their reaction and whether it goes into the "over-" territory. Context matters. If I were asking someone if they are an Ayurvedic doctor in real life because of their demonstrated expertise in the area, it would be a compliment; if I asked the same question to imply that they were pushing pseudoscience, it would be an attack, specifically, an ad-hominem attack. Neutrality is one of the three core policies of Wikipedia; so that which might as well be worded "Your edits are so biased; they could only be coming from someone brainwashed or paid by the BJP" would be offensive to any editor, especially so an editor who has possibly received all kinds of insults and accusations, having been active in one of the most unpleasant areas of the project. Tell you what, focus on content, not the editor (unless you have sufficient evidence of the editor's wrongdoing to push for some kind of sanction; even then, best focus on the actions, not motivations/affiliations) and there's never any reason to worry. While we are at it, there are some questions that you ought not ask even of friends (see WP:OUTING). Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:33, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Pratap Pandit, (Adding for the record, in the interest of fairness) the unblock discussion is enlightening. I see there was this diff, a full 25 minutes before this from you. So, that's quite a feat of irony they managed there in templating you soon after. Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:38, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, Usedtobecool I am glad that you noticed. I decided not to throw a tantrum over it but it did raise a lot of questions in my mind. Which is why I had to ask, but I never got a response, only tantrums. Your advice is very useful, I agree that it is better to be careful on the safer side. Pratap Pandit (talk) 06:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Phew Usedtobecool, "alert" is indeed lot less terrifying than the former. The links you gave are very helpful. Will follow what is said there. I would appreciate if you could help me to clarify one more thing. I have already read Good Faith and Civility policies. This blocked user seems to have taken a ginormous offence about my question. On his talk page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brihaspati#Blocked, he claimed, "I called him B worker" This is absolutely false. All I did was ask him that question as I had this suspicion. A query is not the same as declaration. Is even asking such a question, considered a sanction-able offence here or was that user over reacting ? Pratap Pandit (talk) 14:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Pratap Pandit, hah! that was just my mind skipping over a word; I meant to say discretionary sanctions notice. (The sanction itself is indeed very sanctiony, and very indicative of wrongful conduct.) And, turns out, the correct terminology is even milder—it's apparently an "Alert". The template for the alert is at {{Alert}} if you're interested. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Usedtobecool, the nomenclature used is really strange, why would someone call it "sanction" if it is intended to be informative ? Oxford dictionary defines Sanction as "a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule". Looks like Wikipedia chooses its names to strike fear into the users. Someone should think of a better name for it. The information nevertheless is useful, it will save me another heart attack. Many thanks. --Pratap Pandit (talk) 13:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Pratap Pandit, A discretionary sanction is only intended to be informative; if indeed you receive one, please do not take it as implying anything wrong with your editing so far. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:18, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Serial Number, about your reply below, I admit I had lost my nerves, but you need to understand the very stressful situation I was pushed into, please see this thread to understand. Usedtobecool how can you be so sure that it was a completely unrelated reason ? The Wikipedia article says "Swarajya (magazine) is an Indian monthly print magazine and online news-portal. The publication subscribes to right-wing liberalism and critics note it to be a pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) publication". If you look at the line, which these 3 users were edit warring to remove, it perfectly fits this description. I am following the policies so I hope I will not get anymore ominous notice. Ok, I will be careful in the topic. Pratap Pandit (talk) 12:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Usedtobecool After reading WP:GAMING, it seems I was being lured to step into the trap for blocking. Yes, I am satisfied with the verdict given by the administrator RegentsPark on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Pratap_Pandit_reported_by_User:GreaterPonce665_(Result:_No_violation_). Yes, I have read the full page on Edit warring, and I plan to strictly follow these rules. I was surprised by the hostile manner I was treated by them. The threat of getting blocked had got me stressed and I immediately clicked the Help link on left margin that brought me here. This thread on teahouse was my last ditch effort to seek help, had I received a similar response here I would have abandoned Wikipedia. I am glad that I asked help and the users were so welcoming. RudolfRed, CaptainEek, and Aasim thankfully explained the matter well. Aasim and MrClog also discussed the issue I had raised with the other editors after which they relented and allowed my edit for which they were edit warring. I have read the welcome post by Aasim those were helpful in explaining basic things. I see that other user who was posting on my talk page is now blocked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brihaspati#Blocked Pratap Pandit (talk) 11:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
why so many people are so keen to reject?
Hallo, the AFD process for the bio I wrote just finished and resulted in a keep. The bio was declined twice and than rejected. I kept asking what was the problem and the only answer was not reliable sources. when I tried to understand what were exactly the sources to cause the problem I got no answers at all. if you are too busy to feed the writer of an article with all the information he needs to understand your decision and improve his article please just don't do anything. If you fail someone's work than it would be fair for you to be available to explain your decision and help. Honestly i don't feel that those who have rejected/declined the bio I wrote were moved by genuine intentions, otherwise they would have answered me and explained me what it was wrong in their opinion.
In the ADF talk page I was accused of going everywhere to ask for information, what was I supposed to do? if nobody answers me should I just let it be?
moreover, telling a person stuff like "fails WP:GNG", "fails WP:BASIC" or " fails WP:ANYBIO" needs to come with an explanation as those are very much interpretabile guide lines. If your point is to get something done fast please do something else. If your point is to improve wikipedia be there for giving all the necessary info.
thank you --19:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)AlejandroLeloirRey (talk)
- moreover, when I received the rejection I went everywhere asking what I could do and everybody just told me there vere scarse possibilities for me to see the bio published. after I asked 1000 times someone finally offered me to put it in the AFD and I have accepted. This behavior is not constructive neither. don't Just answer "it is hard or it is almost impossible" tell also what is can be done. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 19:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- An acceptable article requires reliable sources that establish the subject as notable. If no-one can find such sources, then the subject isn't notable, and an article on it is not warranted. There's nothing that can be done to get round that. Maproom (talk) 07:29, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Maproom: hallo, please ping people when you give them an answer otherwise they might never see our answer. I said that my article was kept, but this is not the point. the point is not if the sourcing is good or bad but the fact that if you tell someone his sourcing is bad than you need to explain a little bit your opinion, especially if you have the power of failing his article. if you say the source is bad than explain why in detail. probably the user spent a lot of time writing his article, you can take 10 min to let him know why his work is not accepted. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, AlejandroLeloirRey, I'll explain why some of the references in Marricke Kofi Gane do not help to establish that he is notable.
- 2, 3, 4 and 8 report what he said himself, so are not independent.
- 5, the link given is to a page that does not mention him.
- 6, the link given is to a page with no content, but apparently written by him and so not independent.
- 7 is to a list of articles by him, and so not independent.
- Reference 1 however does seem to me to qualify as helping to establish notability. Anyway, I see that the article has now been accepted; so, congratulations! Maproom (talk) 08:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Maproom: I wan't talking about Marricke Kofi Gane but this one sounds like a very good answer. this is exactly the type of answers people should give when they fail an article.
- To everybody, if you tell someone that this is not the right place to talk about anything than give the link to the most appropriate place. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- AlejandroLeloirRey, see [[1]]. You could create a new discussion on the same page. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- I applaud Alejandro's sincerity and politeness. Thanks. I get so many snippy comments and rudeness from editors that I wonder how they ever made it through kindergarten. I am sure we all wish Alejandro success, and I, for one, hope he will stick around and help improve the encyclopedia by working on other articles. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- AlejandroLeloirRey, see [[1]]. You could create a new discussion on the same page. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, AlejandroLeloirRey, I'll explain why some of the references in Marricke Kofi Gane do not help to establish that he is notable.
- @Maproom: hallo, please ping people when you give them an answer otherwise they might never see our answer. I said that my article was kept, but this is not the point. the point is not if the sourcing is good or bad but the fact that if you tell someone his sourcing is bad than you need to explain a little bit your opinion, especially if you have the power of failing his article. if you say the source is bad than explain why in detail. probably the user spent a lot of time writing his article, you can take 10 min to let him know why his work is not accepted. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- An acceptable article requires reliable sources that establish the subject as notable. If no-one can find such sources, then the subject isn't notable, and an article on it is not warranted. There's nothing that can be done to get round that. Maproom (talk) 07:29, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Early discharge of a soldier during WWII
I know someone who had served in the US Army during WWII from October of 1942 until November of 1944. He was discharged from Fort Dix in November of 1944. Now, this seems odd to me. Why would someone be discharged from the US Army with so much of the war yet to be fought. He did not have any injury. In fact, I don't think that he was even in any frontline duty. Most of his time I believe was within the United States. I thought that all WWII enlistments or draftees were extended for the duration of the war. Why would someone get out in November of 1944. 13:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)66.211.253.226 (talk)
- Hello IP editor. I'm afraid we cannot assist you. This forum is here solely to give help and advice to people on how to edit Wikipedia content. This sounds more like a Google search, or maybe a general query to ask the folks over at our REFDESK. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- To the IP, yes, please re-ask at the Reference Desks. I can think of at least one good reason why this might have occurred, but in deference to the protocols I won't give it here. {The poster formrely known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.178.214 (talk) 06:43, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
can we change default style of talk page ?
i could not find info on Help:Talk_pages. at present we can change style of signature, is there anything similar way to change style or layout of user talk pages ? Leela52452 (talk) 14:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here
- leela52452: Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you want to change your signature? If so here is a nice tutorial:Wikipedia:Signature tutorial.
{{u|wylie39}} {Talk}
14:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)- @Wylie39: i want to change or atleast try something new layout style for talk page. default signature style is good enough and i dont want to add few extra bits or bytes everytime i use signature. Leela52452 (talk) 14:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- As far as I know, they're all pretty close to the same, but you can definitely make some changes to how it looks. See User talk:Iridescent, for example. Useight (talk) 14:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- leela52452:Here is another example: User talk:Doc James
- @Leela52452: you might also get some inspiration by browsing through various pages at Wikipedia:User page design center. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Wylie39: i want to change or atleast try something new layout style for talk page. default signature style is good enough and i dont want to add few extra bits or bytes everytime i use signature. Leela52452 (talk) 14:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Leela52452: But, as regards signature style, please don't place anything else after the
~~~~
(as you did above and elsewhere). The timestamp it creates should be the last thing in your post. There's no reason to provide a link to your meta talk page on enwiki – discussions about enwiki should remain here. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)- @AlanM1: thank you for bringing to my attention, i will no longer update anything after timestamp Leela52452 (talk) 16:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Leela52452, I guess you could make the meta talk page a part of your signature, if you'd like. Something like Leela52452 (talk) (OTHER suggestion or critique)" should be fine by WP:SIG#EL in my opinion. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- hello @Usedtobecool:, its great idea. i might implement in future. 15:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @AlanM1: thank you for bringing to my attention, i will no longer update anything after timestamp Leela52452 (talk) 16:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Opposing a merger suggestion
Hi,
I wanted to see what next steps are while waiting for a decision on a discussion. It has been suggested the article I proposed be merged with a parent page CHC. I can make edits to the current talk page; however, I'm concerned that if I submit without a decision being made I run the risk of the article being deleted.
Thank you so much for your time and insight.
--Sunvidal (talk) 20:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)sunvidalSunvidal (talk) 20:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sunvidal, your link has a bad character. While I can access the page, I do not know where exactly in the article you intended to bring readers to. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sunvidal, I have closed the discussion; go ahead and resubmit. (I have edited your post to correct formatting errors, hope you don't mind.) Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! --Sunvidal (talk) 13:23, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Can I help?
I am having a hard time trying to find articles that I can edit...
Is one of you out there able to post on my talk page some articles for me to see if I can edit? Thanks, cause I don't want to spend the time looking for articles, when I could be editing them. Thanks!Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Shadowblade08: Please tell us what subjects you are interested in, or the type of editing you fancy doing. We are not mind readers. We have 6 million articles here; help us to help you! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Shadowblade08: I suggest that you look at Wikipedia:Community portal. It offers links to some articles that need improvement. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC) (
- Thanks, (I'm talking to Nick Moyes) um, something I like writing about is biking, and the musical instruments piano, and ukulele. (is that not broad enough?) and I like doing tweaking more than writing concrete bases for articles. I hope that helps, but if it doesn't, I can give you more info. Cheerio,
- Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- And now i'm talking to Eddie Blick, OK, that will work. I'll try it out.
- Shadowblade08 (talk) 01:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Shadowblade08: For general ideas for contributing, please visit Wikipedia:Community portal. But for specific topics, your best bet is to browse through articles listed in 'Categories' that you are interested in. You will encounter some articles with obvious notices at the top of their pages - these need action! So, just a few suggestions,: try Category:Ukuleles; Category:Piano; Category:Musical instruments. You can find article categories right at the very bottom of any article page. But we also have specific 'WikiProjects' which are groups of editors interested in improving certain themed topics, like Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Instruments. Most, but not all such projects, maintain table of articles, tabulating them by quality and importance. (example). I would go to the row of really short 'stub' articles, then click the number shown and view the articles now listed. Some my well be in need of urgent help. Hope this helps a bit, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Shadowblade08: I suggest that you look at Wikipedia:Community portal. It offers links to some articles that need improvement. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC) (
- OK, Nick Moyes, thanks so much, your really helpful. I can't wait to check those out, and dig in!
- Shadowblade08 (talk) 02:30, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Shadowblade08: Another page you can take a look at is the task center. This page will give you ideas on where you can help out. Interstellarity (talk) 14:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Shadowblade08 (talk) 02:30, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sweet, i'll check it out, thanks so much! I'm really excited to start editing on Wikipedia!
- @Shadowblade08: I haven't used it, but check out User:SuggestBot. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Subtitle
How can I add a subtitle (or a subname) to an article?
Hello,
Is it possible to add subtitles on Wikipedia pages? I'd like to include the standardized common names of species as subtitles on their Wikipedia pages.
Thanks in advance,Megan McAulay (talk) 02:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Megan McAuley: No, subtitles are not possible. See MOS:LIFE for guidance about dealing with organism names and article titles, then check back in here if you have any more questions. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Please help me to publish an article on 'mahapurushartha yagam' a indian spiritual programme.
Menon1717 (talk) 03:18, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Menon1717: unfortunately, this subject does not appear to qualify for an article on Wikipedia. See WP:N. If after reading that linked page, you still believe that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia page, please reply with the reason why, providing the very best available sources that discuss that topic. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- This seems perfectly fine to have a Wikipedia Article on, it is a Hindu Tradition and although it doesn't seem to very well it does seem to be especially well known ritual, simply because something is obscure doesn't disqualify something for being an article. Lets say there is some obscure animal found in the wild which few people know about, for the sake of argument let's say only 10 people know about this obscure species? Should that animal be denied an Article because of Obscurity? This tradition appears to be thousands of Years old and one of Millions of Hindu traditions as well as Millions of Hindu gods. Obviously there is a need for articles to have a certain level of notoriety to them, my short lived Folk Punk band obviously does not hold any spot on Wikipedia and also shouldn't, however there are so many obscure species and wild-life and scientific techniques which are far less known then mahapurushartha yagam yet they still are important, as an example: Eubranchus cucullus a Type of Sea Slug has far less results then mahapurushartha yagam when accounting for Hindi and English Results, however are you to argue that this entire not just species of this Sea Slug should be denied representation because obscurity? Moreover should a Cultural practice that is thousands years old be denied simply because it not well known? The answer is obvious, of course not because both although obscure are undeniably important, even if Humans don't know it Eubranchus cucullus plays a vital role in its Eco-system and perhaps people will see this fairly common Sea Slug in the Caribbean and wonder what it is, maybe someone visiting India will see this practice in a obscure village, and wonder what it is. The point of there not being an Article on my horrible Folk Punk band called See onto, is that nobody will ever have a need to look at it, nobody will ever need to think about it, unless I am in a direct conversation with someone and I bring it up no one will ever know about it, it has no *importance* on anything, Obscure practices, places, religions, traditions, are all extremely important. Vallee01 (talk) 06:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- One of Wikipedia's rules is no original research. Articles exist because content has been written AND PUBLISHED first. Wikipedia only contains what is verifiable by referencing to reliable sources. Your draft Draft:Maha purushartha Yagam is too short and has no references. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Vallee01, if there's independent reliable sources on the subject, sure, that's something that we can work on. But if there isn't, it's not going to be suitable for publication on here until those exist. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- This seems perfectly fine to have a Wikipedia Article on, it is a Hindu Tradition and although it doesn't seem to very well it does seem to be especially well known ritual, simply because something is obscure doesn't disqualify something for being an article. Lets say there is some obscure animal found in the wild which few people know about, for the sake of argument let's say only 10 people know about this obscure species? Should that animal be denied an Article because of Obscurity? This tradition appears to be thousands of Years old and one of Millions of Hindu traditions as well as Millions of Hindu gods. Obviously there is a need for articles to have a certain level of notoriety to them, my short lived Folk Punk band obviously does not hold any spot on Wikipedia and also shouldn't, however there are so many obscure species and wild-life and scientific techniques which are far less known then mahapurushartha yagam yet they still are important, as an example: Eubranchus cucullus a Type of Sea Slug has far less results then mahapurushartha yagam when accounting for Hindi and English Results, however are you to argue that this entire not just species of this Sea Slug should be denied representation because obscurity? Moreover should a Cultural practice that is thousands years old be denied simply because it not well known? The answer is obvious, of course not because both although obscure are undeniably important, even if Humans don't know it Eubranchus cucullus plays a vital role in its Eco-system and perhaps people will see this fairly common Sea Slug in the Caribbean and wonder what it is, maybe someone visiting India will see this practice in a obscure village, and wonder what it is. The point of there not being an Article on my horrible Folk Punk band called See onto, is that nobody will ever have a need to look at it, nobody will ever need to think about it, unless I am in a direct conversation with someone and I bring it up no one will ever know about it, it has no *importance* on anything, Obscure practices, places, religions, traditions, are all extremely important. Vallee01 (talk) 06:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Edit warring
Hi there fellow Wikipedians,
I have noticed the start of an edit war on the page Kowloon, and I have informed that they may be blocked if they carry on participating, although I'm not sure if I should just revert the edits they all made, and leave it how it was, or if I should just leave it 100%, and the warning is enough.
EGL1234 (talk) 04:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @EGL1234: - that IP editor is now blocked, with no more edits in the last 8 hours or so, so in that sense the war has stopped. The edits have also been reverted, so in this case there's no further action. The more general question of "should edits in an edit war (which usually have multiple parties at fault) be reverted" is somewhat of a judgement call. If it's a short EW then I prefer to revert to the last stable version, but sometimes these things run for ages or have non-EW edits scattered through it, and so it might be best to start discussion from that point. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Free access tag making refs not recognized as cite:news by Visual Editor
Adding free access tags is required of refs from newspapers.com and newspaperarchive.com. After doing so, these refs are no longer recognized as news citations when editing them in Visual Editor. For example, try editing both refs in Visual Editor, the second having the free access tag included.[1][2] This problem has not existed in the past and it certainly does not encourage citing or using proper style. Is Wikipedia aware of the glitch and is a real solution available? Thanks — 05:26, 24 April 2020 (UTC)βox73 (৳alk)
- Possibly related to T225430? This was already brought up at Wikipedia Talk:Newspapers.com#Use of "via" and "free access" symbol in Newspapers.com citations, there they said not to use the free access symbol as, unless specified otherwise with
|url-access=
, citations are assumed to be free. It says to just use via and not use {{free access}}. Hope this helps! — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 08:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)- It does and thank you so much. — βox73 (৳alk) 12:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Club to observe Founders' Night: Past presidents of 20-30 to be guests". The San Bernardino County Sun. August 23, 1945. p. 11. Retrieved January 26, 2018 – via Newspapers.com.
- ^ "Club to observe Founders' Night: Past presidents of 20-30 to be guests". The San Bernardino County Sun. August 23, 1945. p. 11. Retrieved January 26, 2018 – via Newspapers.com.
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Personal help
Hey! I’ve been a fairly active editor for the past year, but lately have felt emotionally drained editing and have felt like I’ve come across poorly to fellow Wikipedians. Is there any sort of “support group” or community discussion areas where one can converse positively? I was running through this page and saw how kind all the responses have been despite the confusing and occasionally trying questions. It gave me hope after a bit of feeling pretty down about my involvement for a while and want to be more substantive. If this isn’t the page to ask these questions, I apologize; I’m still getting the hang of the “back-end” pages. Thanks! ~ 05:36, 24 April 2020 (UTC)Pbritti (talk)
- @Pbritti: I'm sorry to hear you feel that you're burning out. Wikipedia focuses intensely on improving and creating good articles, so there aren't official spaces (that I'm aware of) where support groups are held. Have you thought about taking a WP:BREAK? Please put your emotional health before editing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Pbritti: I try to stay upbeat on Wikipedia by reading the weekly/monthly "on the bright sides" Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2020-03-29/On the bright side. If you're looking for less formal places to discuss issues, I'd suggest joining the English Wikipedia WP:DISCORD. The conversation is certainly varied, and not structured as a support group, but I find it quite helpful and chat in there a great deal. A good place to ask for instant help/feedback or just share a funny page you saw while editing. Tenryuu is right though, if you're burnt out, sometimes its good to step back for a bit and do something else. Take care of yourself! Smooth sailing, CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 10:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Tenryuu and CaptainEek, thanks for your advice! I'm going to look into the break option, but probably will be taking a look at the "Bright Side" page as well! I'm glad that there are some aspects of community here! ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Pbritti: I try to stay upbeat on Wikipedia by reading the weekly/monthly "on the bright sides" Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2020-03-29/On the bright side. If you're looking for less formal places to discuss issues, I'd suggest joining the English Wikipedia WP:DISCORD. The conversation is certainly varied, and not structured as a support group, but I find it quite helpful and chat in there a great deal. A good place to ask for instant help/feedback or just share a funny page you saw while editing. Tenryuu is right though, if you're burnt out, sometimes its good to step back for a bit and do something else. Take care of yourself! Smooth sailing, CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 10:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Pbritti: I believe your comments on the page you and I are on, are constructive and well thought out. These times are emotional for most people, the world is in turmoil. Thank-you, for all your help with wikipedia that I'm aware of, and beyond. GunnisonMarmot (talk) 23:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Spam draft (promotion)
This is regarding the Draft:Twitch. It is clearly self-promotion of promotion on behalf of someone else. Can the draft please be deleted.
Thanks, --Landihan (talk) 10:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Landihan, I have put it up for speedy deletion. In the future, you can use WP:TWINKLE to nominate things for deletion or speedy deletion, providing you understand the deletion policy thoroughly. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 10:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Are BLP policies also applicable on Talk page
A user had posted a link about WP:BLP policy on my talk page. I must say it was quite an engaging read. Very helpful indeed. I was wondering if these policies only apply to article or also on the article talk ? I am asking because there is a User:Imlipop who is rambling obnoxious things about living persons. What should I do in such case ? Can an admin talk some sense into him. And delete his comments if it is found in conflict of the Wikipedia policy.Pratap Pandit (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Pratap Pandit and Imlipop: WP:BLP applies everywhere on the English Wiipedia, including talk pages. That's an emotional topic, to be sure: everyone should perhaps take a step back for a while. Without accusing you, Pratap of anything in particular, but as an example of how to inflame rather than descale tensions, accusations that other editors are threatening and ganging up on me are not in the best taste on an article about a lynching? But, likewise, Imlipop, suggestions that other editors are effectively government stooges are equally unhelpful. ——SN54129 12:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Serial Number 54129, I believe you wanted to type Wikipedia and ended up saying Wiipedia. (Wii's are fun). If it applies to article talk page then please delete both the comments. They are disgusting and outright defamatory. Wikipedia page come up in google search so The admins must quickly delete such obnoxious violations of wikipedia policy. Please help to remove them. --Pratap Pandit (talk) 13:08, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
AFD nominee
Hallo, I tried to nominate to AFD the bio Steve Cruz (actor). It is the first time I nominate a page and think I did something wrong. could you help me and tell me what I did wrong? thank you --11:45, 24 April 2020 (UTC)AlejandroLeloirRey (talk)
- Hi AlejandroLeloirRey. I see three errors. You duplicated nomination code in [2] and didn't replace
NominationName
in the edit summary. At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Cruz (actor) you didn't insert{{subst:afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=Why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
from step II at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to nominate a single page for deletion. It's all fixed now. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC)- AlejandroLeloirRey, I recommend WP:TWINKLE to make AFD nominations, and other edits which you will discover are made much easier by it. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:36, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Usedtobecool thank you, next time I will try them --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 17:07, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- AlejandroLeloirRey, I recommend WP:TWINKLE to make AFD nominations, and other edits which you will discover are made much easier by it. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:36, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
"2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United Kingdom" - Page is out of control
Giving notice to people who perhaps have more experience of concise, condensed page writing. There doesn't seem to be a system for people taking responsibility (as opposed to ownership) of any page. The page mentioned above is out of control. Ironically it has reached epidemic proportions of content, and much of it unnecessary for adding to one's knowledge of the outbreak. Some major issues:
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- The pre-amble / intro is five paragraphs long, four of them long. - The shortcuts menu is two scrolling pages, and I use a taller monitor than most. - There is far too much content regarding responses from sectors that frankly can be put in its own article away from this page. - The stats page is HUGE. The length is unmanageable, and the width is becoming equally so, since the number totals are forcing column widths wider. I did suggest to one editor about a month ago to combine all the England regions in to one nation, and the table would look a lot less messy. - There IS an England page, but as per the usual mentality of some people, it is almost empty, and the UK page is getting all England's data. As such, the UK page is bigger than it needs to be because of editor laziness or because editors are trying to promote inequality. Please look into this. I would recommend a short total of the four nations' statistics, and links to each, with day by day across each page, if people want to do that. If every region of the UK is to be included, then I suggest they add the regions of Scotland, Wales, and the six counties of Northern Ireland. It gets very, very boring, having to scroll 3-4 pages to get to the stats link in the menu, then scrolling 3-4 pages in the stats to get to the totals, and having to scroll up again to get to the column headers. Then having to scroll left and right too. The simple, simple answer (said twice to highlight, is it very simple) is to have condensed columns to prevent horizontal scrolling, and have scrolling table headers. If wiki isn't capable of this, then it's not the place to have the data presented !! Either data is complete, and able to be read, or it is pointless. A link to a spreadsheet would be more useful, and those accessing the data wouldn't be forced to deal with the messy text presentation of Wikipedia. Too much data, not enough info. People get overloaded and give up. Please fix this. I would, but will end up in a turf war with one or more wiki editors, who probably have more experience of the editing systems, the network of people, and the politics of wikipedia. Life is too damn short for that. P.S. I'm not criticising any single editor or wikipedia in general. Just this page. Sort it please. It's out of control. Some examples: 2 Government response 2.1 Overview 2.1.1 Progression between phases 2.1.2 Classification of the disease 2.1.3 Communications 2.2 Regulations and legislation 2.3 Criticism of the Government's response 7 Response in other sectors 7.1 Arts and entertainment 7.1.1 Music 7.1.2 Visual arts 7.1.3 Theatre and cinema 7.1.4 Television and radio Someone thinks that 'arts response' is as note worthy as the Government here. Do we seriously need to separate arts into sectors in the main menu? There's even women's events and LGBT pride mentions further down. What has that to do with a viral outbreak? Nothing. |
I suggest a simple paragraph making mention of many responses, and a link to "Responses from various sectors".
I did complain to one editor of this page a month ago. The complaint(s) were brushed off and ignored, despite the points made. The editors opinion wins...
Well the page is full of useless data now. Your move.84.92.120.162 (talk) 12:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- The proper place for this sort of statement is on the article talk page. If there are changes that you want to see, you need to be the one to work to see them implemented. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and all editors interested in a topic must work together on arriving at a consensus. You are welcome to make your suggestions as a formal edit request which will be seen by other editors(ones who might not necessarily be following that article). 331dot (talk) 12:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- (ec) Hello IP editor! I have hatted your analysis to make the post more accessible; of course, all of it is just a click away. About your concerns, I fear I have only a disappointing answer; it follows:
- Issues with 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United Kingdom should be discussed at Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United Kingdom. That is where the editors most likely to be interested in making the article better are most likely to be watching for suggestions. Wikipedia has far too many articles, and far too few editors. So, unless it's an urgent issue with very immediate real-life concerns, the best way to see an article fixed is to fix it yourself. People are very aware of the article explosion related to COVID-19 and the inevitable dip in quality it can only be expected to bring (see, for example, User_talk:Iridescent#origin of covid); most responsible users are busy trying to prevent fake news and fake medicine from risking our readers' lives.
- Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
How to properly understand reliable source guidelines
india is so diverse, and high population. how much population is enough to call it popular. As even if a single kannada newspaper cover only one major city like Bangalore in Karnataka. It will have readership of crores. But editor being from north india or english speaking may judge it not reliable.
Saamna newspaper by shiv sena and national herald by Indian national congress Saamna is popular then its own circulation, will it be considered as unbiased and reliable source citing ownership by a political party. Lokmat is only Marathi its demographics is limited to Marathi speaking population only. The hitwad i know is some of oldest newspaper but no popularity.
Some language like konkani, sindhi have very less speaking population, but a specific news paper have loyal readership in the language speaking population. Above all no single newspaper can represent entire nation in detail, hence the need for regional newspapers. So my question is how notability is really established, which news source can be considered reliable. I went through guidelines several times, but have hard time understanding then in context of my question above.Nealtylor (talk) 13:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- You ask a question that would require an essay to answer, Nealtylor; unfortunately, I don't know of any that already exist.
- Readership has nothing to do with what makes a source reliable. There is some correlation, but that doesn't indicate a causative relationship. And reliability is just one of several characteristics required of a source for it to contribute toward notability. Others being that the sources be "secondary" as well as "independent" and the coverage be substantial, not just a passing mention or a routine coverage.
- A source is judged reliable if, for example, it has been mentioned as a reliable source by other reliable sources, or if it has a reputation for accuracy and prompt redaction when mistakes are made, or if it is written by a known expert in the field with good reputation for accuracy and other desirable qualities, or if it has some kind of responsible editorial mechanism/board and there is no evidence that it publishes inaccurate/fake news, I think you get the picture. That means, "a Kannada newspaper that covers only Bangalore" would be reliable if it is one of those things I mentioned above. Same with Lokmat, hitwad, and "a specific newspaper in Konkani or Sindhi". Saamna and National Herald would have to be evaluated in light of their affiliations with Shiv sena and The Congress respectively. They could be reliable about certain things, and unreliable about other things. They will not contribute to notability of anybody or anything connected with their respective parties because whether they are reliable or not, they are not "independent" or "secondary" when it comes to their own parties. As to whether the local/regional papers contribute to notability, there is no general answer that would fit all. For example, if the topic is a Marathi writer or a book from before 1900s, and there is substantial coverage in Marathi papers and a few mentions outside Maharastra, that may be considered sufficient; but if it's a Marathi writer or a book from today, people might wonder, why there is no substantial coverage in national and international level,and even suspect that someone could have paid the Marathi sources to cover the topic, then that would not contribute to notability. Deccan Herald, AFAIK, counts toward notability most of the times. Isn't that a regional paper?
- The actual content of the coverage matters too. Time and again, Wikipedians discuss whether Times of India should be considered unsuitable for evaluating notability of Bolly- / Tolly- / Kolly- wood related topics, because it writes filmy articles which read very much like paid placements, but then, people say, all Indian film coverage is bad; so, it's tolerated, last I checked, lest we run out of sources to use. On the other hand, English world has a ton of global sources, so there is a very high standard, and even large multi-national/global newspapers can get blacklisted.
- Does it start to make sense? Feel free to ask for clarifications and follow-ups. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
It makes complete sense, but how i can use this information in real time situations, like it is a unwritten code of conduct between publications, to not publish about each other due to competitive nature between. Now how a new but going good in circulation publication can be cited in wikipedia. I seen several brands and publication pages in wikipedia in which publication page have its own links as references like bhaskar, jagran, how it is allowed and how a rather new publication will be or not be allowed to use its own references as it may marked as advertisement.
But other publication are never going to write about it.
Same for journalists and editors, except for few who keep on switching jobs i do not see accredited journalists mention in editorials for any award except for government website.
In this case journalist award reference link can be provided but no other references will be available.
All editorial mechanisms and responsibilities big brands automatically qualify, but how a new will be able to, on what points wikipedia editors will judge it.
Same for movies, short films which did good in film festivals but no coverage in big newspapers.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nealtylor (talk • contribs) 22:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nealtylor had asked this question to me as well, so I found this response helpful. I also found these links that I feel are good advice. Please take a look.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#News_organizations
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources_checklist Pratap Pandit (talk) 06:39, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
A request for help in publishing my Wikipedia page.
Wikiieditorr (talk) 14:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Are you saying that you would like your draft recovered? 331dot (talk) 14:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Wikiieditorr, when you say, "But may I please know further steps to get myself on Wikipedia? I don't know what kind of mistake has been done for decline of my wiki page.", you give us the impression that you think Wikipedia is a directory of accomplished people or a social media outlet. Wikipedia is an enyclopedia, based solely on independent, reliable, published secondary sources. If you and your work have not been written about extensively in reliable, published sources, your autobiography will never be judged to be acceptable for inclusion.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
New article needs work!
can i get help on my new article (like active editing from others?
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Alexander Z. Nosler (born 1972) is an American business entrepreneur, mechanical engineer, and founder of Kitsbow[1] mountain biking apparel company. He is also known for being CEO of Coffee Equipment Company and inventing the "Clover" coffee machine.[2][3] |
Josephi krakowski aka "lenny" (talk) 14:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Josephi krakowski aka "lenny", please do not copy whole articles/drafts into other pages. Instead, link the page by putting the pages title between a pair of nested large brackets like this: [[Draft:Zander Nosler]]. I have done additional formatting of your post, hope you do not mind.
- Regarding the draft, I don't think the subject meets the notability criteria for biographies. No amount of editing can compensate for the lack of notability. Sorry. If you think the subject is notable, it rests upon you to convince others by providing significant coverage from independent reliable sources. If you can provide at least three such sources, editors may reconsider (see WP:THREE). Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- It's your responsibility to find quality references and incorporate those into the draft. Right now, #1 is his bike company website, #2 is list of patents and patent applications, and #3 is a brief description of the fancy coffee maker, with just a name-only mention of the inventors. Unless there are independently written articles that have content AT LENGTH about Nosler, no chance that this can become an article. David notMD (talk) 14:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Uses and indications of Traditional Herbal Medicines
Hello I want to post some changes and add Traditional Herbal uses of some of th entries in Wikipedia, can someone help me to understand what you refer to as reliable sources. In my work, I have used many traditional textbooks, such as Bartrams Encyclopedia of Herbal Medicine. Are these considered reliable sources for the information about the action and uses of herbs as remedies?Herbalthyme (talk) 14:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Herbalthyme, please visit WP:RSN, the reliable sources noticeboard to discuss reliability of a particular source in general or in a particular context. Please read the notice on the top of that page before you make a post. Editors there are more specialised in evaluating reliability of sources. Wikipedia has a rather strict interpretation of what counts as reliable in health-related contexts (see WP:MEDRS), so my guess is, you could say "This book says this herb does this" (provided it is DUE), but you can't say "this herb is medicinal for this purpose". Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Herbs and other plants can have a Traditional medicine section. See examples St. John's wort and Ginseng. As you will see, reviews of human trial research often included as either support or counterpoint. David notMD (talk) 15:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
St. Mary's Brass and Reed Band
St. Mary's Brass and Reed Band, Pound Lane, Maynooth is one of the oldest Bands in the Country and does not seem to be mentioned anywhere. Contact for the Band is Patrick Boyd, Chairman, 087 2537 9062001:BB6:5B26:8158:F0E1:4F05:511E:4A88 (talk) 15:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- If this band meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable band, as shown with significant coverage in published, independent reliable sources, you are welcome to use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review- though be advised successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform here. 331dot (talk) 15:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Shabnamrana's post
Shabnamrana (talk) 16:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Shabnamrana (talk) 16:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Shabnamrana, it appears you are trying to create a post here. Please hit the edit button and add your message in this section to ask a question. Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:45, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
How to use the "use British English" template.
How do I use the "use British English template?" I've been trying to use this template "{{Use British English|date=April 2020}}
" And this "{{Use British English}}" on a talk page but for some reason they both don't work. Could you give me insight on what I'm doing wrong? (Check source editor to see) LucasA04 (talk) 17:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @LucasA04: Converted to Tl tags so that we can see them. Two things:
- "Use British English" is used on articles to give them the hidden category "Articles that use British English". It doesn't visually produce anything on the article. I find that it helps to remind editors that the article should use British English though.
- You should use the template {{British English}} in the beginning of talk pages to create the message box for it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Tenryuu, Thank you very much, I've been trying to figure this out for some time. LucasA04 (talk) 18:14, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Advice on removing clean-up tag and publishing draft article previously marked as promotional
Greetings, I have been hired for clean-up efforts in regard to Draft:Daniel_O._Griffin. My job is to see it through that this article has been properly edited as per WP:NPOV. Could you please advise what should be done next for the tag to be removed and the draft considered for publication into the mainspace? Thank you in advance.Charmanderblue (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Charmanderblue. At present I do not see a single source in that draft that is both independent of Griffin (and the organisations he is part of) and contains substantial text about him. Basically, WIkipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article has said or published, or even, much what they have done: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish (in reliable places) about the subject and what they have said, published, and done. Please see CSMN --ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, ColinFine, thank you for the swift response. I feel a bit baffled as I swear I've come across many articles in the mainspace with little or no references that is independent of persons/entities connected to the subject of the article. Would I be correct to understand that (reliable) media citations such as from CNN, Fox News and Times of said person would not qualify as appropriate sources to establish notability? Because I can swear I've come across many instances of articles of living scientists that have been published in this manner. Also, thank you for taking the time for helping me out on this! Charmanderblue (talk) 18:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Charmanderblue. In the course of Wikipedia's existence, its editorial standards have constantly evolved. During its period of very rapid growth, standards were relaxed. Currently, standards are much tighter. Unfortunately, many older articles from the period of rapid growth still remain, due to the large number (over six million) of articles on Wikipedia and the huge task of vetting all of them against current standards. For more insight into this situation, see: Other stuff exists.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:21, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Quisqualis, thanks for chiming in and sharing the resources to that end, it's very insightful. Nonetheless, I think the article in question deserves more merit, considering the emerging notability of the person in media and his demonstrable contributions to scientific work. Could you advice how a formal discussion moving the page to mainspace is to be launched? I am not sure what the proper route is for articles that have been deleted and tagged with the clean-up tag. Any input is highly appreciated! Charmanderblue (talk) 19:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Charmanderblue. It's apparent that I am thinking like an encyclopedia editor and you are thinking like a public relations person. The bottom line is that the reliable, published, in-depth sources are currently mandatory. When you refer to "the emerging notability of the person in media", you are forecasting the future notability of the subject, and should therefore take a look at WP:TOOSOON. Wikkpedia does not publish articles pre-emptively.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello again, Quisqualis. I will heed your advice. Last question: Is it possible to remove the current paid promotional tag on the article? I have been hired particularly for the purpose of redoing and cleaning up the article, which I have done to the best of my ability. I would prefer that tag not hover over the article until the draft is ready for publication. Please advise! Charmanderblue (talk) 19:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Charmanderblue. The tag will have to remain, per the rules on paid editing. User preference is not a consideration, and the tag should not influence the review outcome, given that the issue there is sourcing.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:07, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Quisqualis, since Charmanderblue has disclosed both on here and on their user page their affiliation, can we change the {{UPE}} to another template to show that they have abided by Wikipedia's Terms of Service? If there isn't one I propose one be made. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- User:Tenryuu, User:Quisqualis, ,User:ColinFine, User:Charmanderblue - I have changed the {{UPE}} tag to a {{COI}} tag.
I don't see a {{PAID}} tag, butI think COI is satisfactory. If someone wants to design a Paid Editing tag for documents, that would be okay, but I think COI is good enough. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC)- Robert McClenon, I've removed the {{COI}} tag and added the {{Paid article}} template to the talk page. Feel free to bring back the tag if needed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:24, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- User:Tenryuu - I think that is a more precise tag than any of the other options. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:37, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Robert McClenon, I've removed the {{COI}} tag and added the {{Paid article}} template to the talk page. Feel free to bring back the tag if needed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:24, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- User:Tenryuu, User:Quisqualis, ,User:ColinFine, User:Charmanderblue - I have changed the {{UPE}} tag to a {{COI}} tag.
- Quisqualis, since Charmanderblue has disclosed both on here and on their user page their affiliation, can we change the {{UPE}} to another template to show that they have abided by Wikipedia's Terms of Service? If there isn't one I propose one be made. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Charmanderblue. The tag will have to remain, per the rules on paid editing. User preference is not a consideration, and the tag should not influence the review outcome, given that the issue there is sourcing.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:07, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Notability
Hello Teahouse hosts. I am considering another article for Wikipedia; however, it will entail much work, so I am inquiring regarding wp:notability before writing the article and having it rejected due to to lack of notability. The article I am considering is list article about native Texas, firewise trees. There is an article already on Wikipedia, Natural landscaping from which the phrase native landscaping redirects from the search box. While there is no firewise landsccape Wikipecia article (and I am considering an article about that subject), I have found several reliable sources (at least I believe they are) regarding the subject:
- https://www.ksl.com/article/1463167/homeowners-reduce-fire-danger-through-landscaping
- https://www.theunion.com/entertainment/ann-wright-firewise-choices-for-dry-summers/
- https://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/gardening-tips-for-season-region-zmaz04djzsel
Furthermore, there are Texas university websites from which native, firewise trees may be gleaned.
So, considering all of this, does the article meet the criteria for notability?
Most kind regards from Hu Nhu (talk) 17:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Interesting question, Hu Nhu! I've mulled over this quite a bit before replying, and I should say, first off, that I don't really like the sources you've found. But even with great sources, I would still urge against a list article, and especially one that is specific to listing species of relevance to one small geographic region of the planet - or there'd potentially be tens of thousands of such lists!
- If anything, the topic of Firewise landscaping is itself notable - and one that has recently come to awareness (though here in the UK we prefer to focus on species that don't go mouldy in prolonged rain!). Firewise landscaping seems almost the opposite of Xeriscaping, and I think quite appropriate to Wikipedia. I would base any new article on what firewise landcaping is, and not on listing individual species. A quick search found me a number of US government sites that could form the basis of a short article, such as this, this, this, this and this. Plus this on the Firewise Communities Program, which could be noted within the article. Just a few example tree/shrub and herb species would be appropriate - not long lists.
- Any article on Wikipedia should be short and to the point about what the concept is and not a manual on how to do it. If you don't feel confident, I would be happy to cast an eye over any sandbox or draft article you might prepare. I hope this gives you the kind of answer you were seeking. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Most excellent and thank you Nick Moyes. I very well may do a firewise landscaping article and accept your generous offer for an occasional perusal. I am currently composing articles on two very interesting women, both major generals in overall command their respective states' National Guard and with significant press reporting them in the context as the first female commanders in their states' history.
- Also, as an inquiry strictly meant to improve my work as an editor, I am curious as to what the sources I found lack and to what I might look in the future sources. Most kind regards, and again, appreciation.Hu Nhu (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Hu Nhu: Sorry for taking a while to reply. I'm happy to answer your question about the references you gave. As a basis for an article, none are strong enough, and I would expect to see an article based solely on them being put up for deletion (mainly because a lot of AFD nominators - especially new ones- don't seem to bother doing a proper WP:BEFORE check for better sources before rushing to have stuff deleted.
- The KLS.COM article is a bit too newsy, and chatty, and not in depth enough about the topic.
- The www.theunion.com article is similarly too shallow, and is just a short gardening page, listing a handful of seemingly randomly-selected herbaceous plants.
- The MotherEarthNews link didn't work for me. I did find this one which was also too short and sweet to base an article upon, nor did it explicitly refer to Firewise landscaping.
- So, when we look at notability of a topic, and its relevance to Wikipedia, we need to look both at sources already in use if the article exists (especially if it is being challenged and up for deletion), and we need to try to find enough in depth, detailed sources to be able to demonstrate that the topic is notable, and to use only the best ones which serve our encyclopaedia's purpose. It's also important to show the breadth of relevance, so I'd also look for sources from other parts of the world. Does that make any sense? (Finally, and as an aside, I did look for any pre-existing article that might already cover this topic, but could find nothing of direct relevance, which is good news for you. My heart did sink a bit when I found Fire Resistant Environmental Ensemble, but when I checked it out I just had a chuckle.) Nick Moyes (talk) 23:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: I truly appreciate your attention to my questions and will carefully look at all you have provided. I too found Fire Resistant Environmental Ensemble made me cringe. Your response has been very thoughtful and helpful.Hu Nhu (talk) 00:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Hu Nhu: Sorry for taking a while to reply. I'm happy to answer your question about the references you gave. As a basis for an article, none are strong enough, and I would expect to see an article based solely on them being put up for deletion (mainly because a lot of AFD nominators - especially new ones- don't seem to bother doing a proper WP:BEFORE check for better sources before rushing to have stuff deleted.
- Also, as an inquiry strictly meant to improve my work as an editor, I am curious as to what the sources I found lack and to what I might look in the future sources. Most kind regards, and again, appreciation.Hu Nhu (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Page for a famous person
HI, I need to create a wiki page on an entertainer. How can I do that? Can some one guide me so that it is not objected. Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 18:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Earthianyogi Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have mere "pages", Wikipedia has articles. Why do you "need" to create this article? 331dot (talk) 18:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- (ec)Earthianyogi please collate the sources carefully and make sure that the subject meets either WP:GNG or one of the criteria at WP:ENT, then use the WP:Article Wizard. Reading WP:YFA before you start is recommended. Other editors can weigh in once you have a rudimentary draft with, for WP:GNG, a list of three best sources (WP:THREE) that establish notability, or failing that, requisite evidence for WP:ENT. On a sidenote, do you know why your signature is after the timestamp in your post? Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Usedtobecool, Thanks for your reply. I have no idea why my signature is after the timestamp in my post :( Is it a problem?
- 331dot, Thanks for your reply. Just for fun. Can I not? I have only created technical page/articles so far on Wikipedia, and want to make/write another type of page/articles as well. It seems slightly complicated...
Earthianyogi (talk) 19:14, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Earthianyogi When a newer user says that they have a "need" to create an article, they often have a specific reason for their need. If you just want to create an article, that's fine. Be advised that creating a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. I would second the advice given to you by Usedtobecool. You may also wish to spend some time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, so you get a feel for how Wikipedia works and what is expected of article content. It may also help you to use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 19:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- 331dot, Thank you, but I created other technical articles as well and have made significant additions to other articles (like copula, Positron Emission Tomography, Time-activity curve, etc.). I wanted to contribute (maybe I should have said - I wish to create....). I see now why it is hard to publish an article on Wikipedia, it can get complicated :) :) Earthianyogi (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Earthianyogi, well, when the order is messed up, the reply-link tool doesn't work; makes it harder to leave a reply. That also suggests, at least a possibility that bots might potentially have a problem too. IDK for sure. It was weird enough to make me curious, that's all. Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Usedtobecool: Having fixed the same (sig) problem in the section above, I fixed this one as well, not realizing it was being discussed. Odd that it happened to two different editors, and not in all their posts. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Usedtobecool: Mystery solved. If you type 8 tildes in a row, it is interpreted as 5 tildes followed by 3 tildes, yielding a timestamp followed by a userlink. Since we added the preload when people use the Ask a question at the top of the page, which has a somewhat obfuscated auto-signature in it, some more experienced users that are used to signing their posts, when they use that button, don't notice it and add their own
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, which usually results in two signatures. There was a change made to the preload form that removed a space, so the two sets of tildes now run against each other. Pinging Tenryuu. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:24, 25 April 2020 (UTC)- Hi AlanM1, the reason why I removed the space is because it would always render the signature as code in preformatted space due to the space preceding it, which as far as I could tell wouldn't allow reply-link to work. I tried to find examples in the archives, but they've been copyedited away by editors. Perhaps we should add another comment in the preload? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: I tried a couple of different things and didn't come up with a good solution. At least a comment that tells people not to manually sign it would be good. I'll work on it some more tomorrow. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi AlanM1, the reason why I removed the space is because it would always render the signature as code in preformatted space due to the space preceding it, which as far as I could tell wouldn't allow reply-link to work. I tried to find examples in the archives, but they've been copyedited away by editors. Perhaps we should add another comment in the preload? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Usedtobecool: Mystery solved. If you type 8 tildes in a row, it is interpreted as 5 tildes followed by 3 tildes, yielding a timestamp followed by a userlink. Since we added the preload when people use the Ask a question at the top of the page, which has a somewhat obfuscated auto-signature in it, some more experienced users that are used to signing their posts, when they use that button, don't notice it and add their own
- @Usedtobecool: Having fixed the same (sig) problem in the section above, I fixed this one as well, not realizing it was being discussed. Odd that it happened to two different editors, and not in all their posts. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: I've added a new comment to the reload. A possible thing we could do is add any one character before the signature, like "." and format its colour into white so that it is essentially invisible. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:54, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: After fixing three more flipped sigs (the last at 2020-04-25T06:04Z), I inserted a space in front of the tildes in the preload, which seems to work fine (and is a good idea anyway so people's sigs aren't crammed up against their post). We'll see if any more show up. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- (Clarification added above) I also played a bit with the Lua String module to try to catch and remove the four tildes if the user types them, but from the results, it seems that the tilde substitution happens too early – the String module gets the already-substituted signature instead. So, we may just have to live with the double sigs if they don't see the instruction. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:31, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- AlanM1, reply-link doesn't sign posts that have four tildes anywhere in the post. Perhaps, Enterprisey could help you?Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:48, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- (Clarification added above) I also played a bit with the Lua String module to try to catch and remove the four tildes if the user types them, but from the results, it seems that the tilde substitution happens too early – the String module gets the already-substituted signature instead. So, we may just have to live with the double sigs if they don't see the instruction. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:31, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Deleting content from my talk page
Hi, Is it ok to delete some content from my talk page? One of my articles was rejected the first time, and a suggestion was made to merge the content with another article later. I have already merged the content. Can I now delete these notices on my talk page? ThxEarthianyogi (talk) 19:41, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Earthianyogi: Yes, you may remove messages from your talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:43, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- But, archiving is preferred. People you later encounter might suspect you are averse to criticism and wanted to hide posts you did not like by deleting them; archiving at least prevents that. Posts that have absolutely no productive reason to be archived, such as vandalisms, or mistaken warnings, etc. can be deleted. Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:07, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @RudolfRed:, thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 20:06, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Uploading old images of open source newspaper and city directory ads
I. am having difficulty uploading any photo I have from old stationary to excerpts from historical newspapers and city directories. All of the items are available from the Library of Congress or from my own collection, but the format and questions asked when when uploading always results in the image being denied. I have looked at a number of forums and helpful hints and although I can upload in the (can't remember the wikipedia name for it) space and receive a URL, I can't seem to access the photo later. Very frustrating.Mofongo1234 (talk) 20:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Mofongo1234, How historical? Wikipedia and WikiCommons (who host most of our photos) may only host material that is available under a free license or is in the public domain. In the US, only works published prior to 1925 are in the public domain. If the paper you were adding was from after 1925, it was probably deleted as a copyright violation. Since we're a free and open source platform whose material is reusable by anyone with attribution, so must be the work we host. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Everything I am trying to add are from US newspapers before 1925. I've added them to the commons but cannot find them after uploading and could only use when I created them and copied the link before exiting the commons. Especially hard adding photos directly from the edit source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mofongo1234 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Mofongo1234, and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have succeeded in uploading two public-domain images to Wikimedia Commons: File:Image 4-23-20 at 7.49 PM.jpg and File:1863 Walter Karmann CoacH Maker Ad.png. Note that to use these in a Wikipedia article, you need to give the filename precisely - extension, puncutation, odd capitalization, everything. (In the links to them above, the initial colon stops the software from displaying the image itself on this page). --ColinFine (talk) 21:30, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I get the following error when trying to upload from the commons: "You do not have permission to upload this file, for the following reason: The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Autoconfirmed users, Administrators, Confirmed users." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mofongo1234 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Mofongo1234. You shouldn't ever need to upload from Commons. You have successfully uploaded at least the two files I mentioned to Commons, and the whole point of Commons is that all Wikimedia projects (and in particular, all the different-language Wikipedias) can use files from Commons directly, just by Wikilinking the file with "File:" on the front. --ColinFine (talk) 22:21, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Insert/reference a location
Have looked at many forums and still confused on referencing a location in an article.Mofongo1234 (talk) 20:48, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Is this regarding Draft:William Walter' Son Carriage Manufacturer, Mofongo1234?--Quisqualis (talk) 21:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yes. Wanting to pinpoint the location of his factories and home. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mofongo1234 (talk • contribs) 02:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Are you asking us for a map? Not sure what you need.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Mofongo1234: If you are going to add the location inline with the text, you would normally add a {{Coord}} transclusion inside parentheses, like the following (look at it in source editor to see the actual code used):
- ... at the rear of 322 3rd St NE (38°53′39″N 77°00′08″W / 38.89417°N 77.00227°W) as a three-story concrete ...
- If you have more than one of these in an article, one of them should use
|display=inline,title
(the others should just use|display=inline
). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:38, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Mofongo1234: If you are going to add the location inline with the text, you would normally add a {{Coord}} transclusion inside parentheses, like the following (look at it in source editor to see the actual code used):
MoS
I'm trying to figure out what would be the preferred spelling in British English of "1 Field Engineer Squadron." Would you put "st" after "1" or no? LucasA04 (talk) 21:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @LucasA04: I did this search, the results of which suggest just the number (no "st"). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:31, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- AlanM1, Ohhh wow okay, I'm gonna have to move some pages then. LucasA04 (talk) 01:35, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Barnstar
Howdy, you'ens.
I have been given a barnstar, and am curious on how am I supposed to display it. Is it possible for someone to create a page that I could display them? Thanks.Shadowblade08 (talk) 21:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Shadowblade08: whilst you could make a whilenew page for them yourself (e.g. at: User:Shadowblade08/barnstars), you could simply create a normal or even a collapsed section on your Userpage for them. I use quite a few collapsed sections on mine for various purposes.Take a look. Oh, and well done for getting your first barnstar, too! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:41, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
article editing
Courtesy link: Draft:Olwethu Trevor Cokile
Is there anyone who can help me write my article. I need assistanceOlwethu Trevor Cokile (talk) 23:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Olwethu Trevor Cokile: Welcome to the Teahouse. Here on Wikipedia we strongly discourage editors from writing articles about themselves (WP:AUTO) as it is almost near impossible to write about oneself neutrally. There are also no reliable, independent sources that establish you are a notable subject for Wikipedia's general notability guidelines. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:00, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Update: Article has been speedily deleted per G11. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:00, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Question
How do I line up my user boxes in a column? You can see the problem if you look at my userpage. --LucasA04 (talk) 23:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @LucasA04: Sandwich your userbox templates in between {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Requesting edit on Draft:Mochii
Hello All,
This has been a really helpful resource for me on my journey to publishing a Wikipedia page and I was wondering if I could ask for a bit more help. Last time I was here I was requesting an edit on the Voxa page, and Ian.thomson and ColinFine were incredibly helpful in telling me what I was doing wrong and steps I could take moving forward. They suggested that I write a page on Voxa's main product, the Mochii, which I have done here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mochii. I have taken their advice on both source collection and tone (I did my best to write it as if I was one of their industry competitors sticking to facts that I found from reputable sources). I was hoping either of those two or someone else would be so kind as to look over the Draft:Mochii page and let me know if I'm headed in the right direction and what I can do to improve it to be Wikipedia level content. Thankful for all the help, Sachin Zachariah (talk) 23:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Just reading through the article, I suspect that the article's sources are pretty shallow in their coverage. This is because I came away with more questions than answers. The emphasis on use in space causes me to wonder what other situations the Mochii might good for, and who would use it. Was it modified for use on Earth (that would reduce costs)? As a casual reader, the specs are kind of over-kill in the absence of any mention of the history of small EMs and the market's development. Was NASA involved in the product's design from the start? Is the Mochii a substitute for an EM in certain situations other than space? Did the Mochii have a predecessor? Context is vital.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the quick review and comments Quisqualis, extremely helpful. I was originally planning on adding an Applications subpage where I use sources that talk specifically about the different applications of the Mochii and how it differentiates itself and creates a new niche in the market. I was originally wary of doing this because I thought it could sound too promotional, but I guess if I keep the tone correct it seems that this would be a super helpful part of the article. Do you recommend cutting all of the specs or comparing them to how regular electron microscopes function. If not, where would you suggest doing most of the differentiating between the Mochii and its competitors, and how do you recommend doing that without sounding promotional as if I were working for the company. I plan on adding more context about the competitors and how it's different. Thank you! Sachin Zachariah (talk) 05:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sachin Zachariah, the specs are pretty dry reading for a general reader; I believe you could leave them out. As far as differentiating the Mochii, you might state what the company intended to achieve when they entered that market, rather than enumerating differences with other products.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:39, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the quick review and comments Quisqualis, extremely helpful. I was originally planning on adding an Applications subpage where I use sources that talk specifically about the different applications of the Mochii and how it differentiates itself and creates a new niche in the market. I was originally wary of doing this because I thought it could sound too promotional, but I guess if I keep the tone correct it seems that this would be a super helpful part of the article. Do you recommend cutting all of the specs or comparing them to how regular electron microscopes function. If not, where would you suggest doing most of the differentiating between the Mochii and its competitors, and how do you recommend doing that without sounding promotional as if I were working for the company. I plan on adding more context about the competitors and how it's different. Thank you! Sachin Zachariah (talk) 05:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
What is the Process for Creating a Page that Exists in a Foreign Langauge?
Hi - I would like to create an English language page for a subject that already exists in Italian: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavo_Simoni. What is the process to do that? Thank you.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 01:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- 1987atomheartbrother, welcome to the Teahouse. There is a good deal of information at WP:TRANS about your query. In short, you can begin a short article about the person in English, as described at WP:YFA, then, assuming you want to do it yourself, you can start translating. It's best not to use sites like Google Translate; make sure you also include citations. If you do choose to do this, make sure you provide an appropriate edit summary for your additions e.g. "Content in this edit is translated from the existing Italian Wikipedia article at it:Gustavo Simoni; see its history for attribution." If you don't want to do it yourself, place Template:Expand Italian on the page, and someone else will translate it for you. Hopefully that makes sense. Thatone
weirdwikier | Say hi 08:15, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
How to add an image into a Wikipedia article?
Wiki user mmm (talk) 01:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Wiki user mmm Hi, welcome to the TEAHOUSE. If you have already found an image on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons you can use
- [[File:filenamehere.jpg|thumb|caption here.]]. The filename will be the name of the image. If you want to upload an image see Wikipedia:Uploading images
Quandry on how to proceed
I recently edited the article Haruhi Fujioka in which I edited what has often been a contentious opinion about the fictional character. I tried to be as factual and neutral as possible in my language. Without explanation, the editor of some of the original text (from 12/2018), reverted my edits back to their own, which (imo) reflects an unsubstantiated opinion. I left the editor a TALK message on 4/24/20 asking if there is a way we can collaborate on the language and am waiting for an answer. QUESTION: If the editor user:Maplestrip refuses to collaborate, what do I do next? This editor, in another area of the article, deleted a direct quote, removed language, re-inserted their interpretation of the quote, then used the original citation to validate their interp (see 07:32 1 August, 2016). I replaced the interp with the direct quote again. That was left in place, but the other edits were reverted without reason and without citation (in one case) to support their validity. Is simply asking for citation enough? And if we still differ, even after conversing, how do both non-cited opinions get listed within the article to comply with WP:NPOV?
Ouranista (talk) 01:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- I just woke up and am currently responding to @Ouranista: on my talk page. I hope we can figure things out. I didn't intend to come across as so difficult, but yes, I did revert stuff without explaining way and I shouldn't have done that. I hope I can be a better editor and we can figure this out together. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:24, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Wikicommons Licensing Question
This is actually a wiki commons question. If this is an inappropriate place to ask this question, I apologize and request help finding a better place to ask the question.
I’m looking at this page [3] which contains a picture of a Greek vase.
The licensing information seems inconsistent. I see thIs statement:
I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publish it under the following license: This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.
That sounds good but in a previous section I see:
Please note: The above museum permits photography of its exhibits for private, educational, scientific, non-commercial purposes. If you intend to use the photo for any commercial aims, please contact the museum and ask for permission.
Are these consistent? Can you release something under CC share alike with a caveat that the photo cannot be used for commercial purposes? If not, what should be done about the image? Can there be an image on Wiki commons that is not available for commercial use?
I should mention that I didn’t take the photo or create the page in question but I’m curious about the licensing issues. I was under the impression that photos on Commons should be available for commercial use.
MarylandGeoffrey (talk) 02:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Well, MarylandGeoffrey, you're correct that we are not here to give help for Commons, but I believe you may be correct. Marchjuly knows a fair amount about image licensing; perhaps he can help. John from Idegon (talk) 02:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @MarylandGeoffrey and John from Idegon: No, I don’t think that qualifying statement is consistent with the way the file is licensed or with c:COM:L, but it might not matter per c:COM:CB#Museum and interior photography if the vase is no longer eligible for copyright protection. You might want to ask about this at c:COM:VPC to see whether this photo might be considered to be a c:COM:DW. The CC license is technically for the photo, not the vase, per se and it’s the photo that’s really the “own work”; however, if the vase is still protected by copyright and that copyright holder is trying to restrict commercial use of third-party photos of the vase, then the file may need to be deleted. — Marchjuly (talk) 14:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
did i submit the article I wrote? I cant tell!
I am unsure if my article on filmmaker Suzanne Guacci has been submitted. How can I tell? and if so, what comes next? New to wikipedia. Thank you. Upintheairalways (talk) 02:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Upintheairalways, your content was published in your sandbox. Generally drafts are created in draftspace, and I have moved yours to Draft:Suzanne Guacci. Feel free to delete the redirect by clicking on the link in "Redirected from User:Upintheairalways/sandbox" and deleting the content there. I suggest having a look at other articles to see how they're laid out; for example, section headings in all caps are not allowed and we do not link to Wikipedia in external links like you did with "Official website" and "Suzanne Guacci". I'm not the one to talk about image licencing with, but just to confirm, do you have permission to use the image? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Upintheairalways: You posted a draft to User:Upintheairalways/sandbox, but it's not submitted for review. A couple of things you should do before that, though:
- You state on your user page that you "work in the film industry in management." You should disclose any conflict of interest you may have, especially if there's any financial ties involved, on your user page as well. It doesn't matter if you're not being directly paid per edit. If Guacci or any business associated with her is in any way connected to your business, you have a conflict of interest. If she or someone representing her are paying you for services, you are considered a paid editor even if you were not explicitly ordered to make a Wikipedia article or even if you were not explicitly ordered to ""get the word out" about her.
- Your draft does not show sufficient proof of notability and will be rejected in its current state. Here are instructions on how to write an article that's guaranteed to show notability (as part of a larger guide covering issues faced by new users). In short, your draft should just be a paraphrased summary of three or more professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically about and primarily about Guacci (not her movies, trends in cinema, or whatever), that are not dependent upon, affiliated with, nor connected to her, any production company she's involved with, any film festival showing her movies, etc. Also, the language needs to be bare-bones facts-only. Instead of "traumatic accident" or "Guacci's feature documentary," just say "accident" and "Guacci's documentary." This language is part of why you are expected to disclose your conflict of interest.
- Wikipedia is not a PR service for new info by paid workers, it is a volunteer-driven summary of already-published independent sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:12, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. Yes, I am in film management but not directly to subject but rather to the work. We are attempting to inform and fill in information that other managers have started about Guacci's films that have been mentioned in Wikipedia a handful of times and are linked to other actors. Upintheairalways (talk) 15:17, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
porqué quitaron el contenido de la última empresa que decía que era un esquema piramidal o estafa ???
181.51.34.8 (talk) 03:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. This place is for new editors to ask questions about navigating and using Wikipedia, not about if a subject is part of a pyramid scheme or not. Perhaps you might want to try the Spanish Wikipedia project? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- The fact that you think multilevel marketing is a pyramid scheme doesn't give you the right to vandalize English Wikipedia in your native language, Spanish. Please desist.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
IP Account vandalising Wikipedia
The IP USER 95.146.118.29 has had four warnings against vandalism, although has vandalised once more on Carl Cox. As I am not an admin, I cannot block him, although can someone please do so to prevent him/her vandalising in future.EGL1234 (talk) 03:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @EGL1234: I've blocked them. In the future, you can report vandalism to WP:AIV. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! EGL1234 (talk) 03:50, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Private information and public shaming found on the wiki
104.32.213.154 (talk) 05:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- 104.32.213.154, your attempt to erase an incident documented in reliable sources nearly two years ago was reverted for good reason and according to Wikipedia's rules.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
IP Account user vandalising articles
Hi there fellow Wikipedians, I have just seen an edit that 2A00:23C4:8905:100:EC41:E684:87C9:57BE made to the page John Troyer (fighter). He incorrectly changed the nationality in an attempt to vandalise, and when I was about to place a warning on 2A00:23C4:8905:100:EC41:E684:87C9:57BE's talk page, I noticed that he already had five vandalism warnings from this month (April). I am not an admin, so I cannot block him, although can an administrator do so? Thanks,EGL1234 (talk) 05:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- IP blocked by User:Callanecc. @EGL1234: in future report such users to WP:AIV. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
how do I insert an image?
I am confused how to insert an image as I have tried pdfs and goooogle search results. it is very confusing for me and I need helpFirestar9990 (talk) 05:25, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- You cannot insert images hosted elsewhere, that includes files hosted on your own computer. In the latter case, you may upload it via Special:Upload. However, we need to adhere to certain rules there. WP:IMAGE should have more on this. Once you have uploaded the image, you can insert it. If you uploaded it as "File:Example.jpg" the following code will generate a nice thumbnail on the right side as it is used widely (Check the source in edit mode) . Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:57, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
As a simplified explanation, you can only add images if they are photographs that you yourself have taken. David notMD (talk) 09:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Confused on how to update virus taxobox
Hi folks, I am updating the page on Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_haemorrhagic_disease and noticed that the taxobox information is outdated. The current taxonomy can be found at https://talk.ictvonline.org/taxonomy/p/taxonomy-history?taxnode_id=19950818&src=NCBI&ictv_id=19950818 and should read Riboviria > Orthornavirae > Pisuviricota > Pisoniviricetes > Picornavirales > Caliciviridae > Lagovirus > Rabbit hemorrhagic disease virus. But I cannot for the life of me figure out how to do this! After 90 minutes of trying to figure it out I thought I'd elicit some help! I am not a coder, and so all of the information on the taxobox pages is going over my head. Is there someone here who can fix this for me? Thanks for your help, Rabbit Vet (talk) 06:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Rabbit Vet: You can find an introduction to Wikipedia taxoboxes here. In particular, the taxonomy data for RHDV is at Template:Taxonomy/Rabbit hemorrhagic disease virus, but that's not where new taxa are added. We don't display full taxonomic hierarchies in articles because 1. it would be too unwieldy and 2. we don't have articles for all the intermediate taxa. You can also place a message over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Viruses for more precise discussion over this issue. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 07:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Ravenpuff: Thanks for your help Ravenpuff!! Rabbit Vet (talk) 15:27, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Covid-19 Survival phone numbers for those without internet, to stay inside.
Is Wikipedia tenable to use for our Wiki for this project. http://emailtomail.org 33,000+ USA (eventually world wide) records, one per Zip/Postal Code, with one printed mailing page. example: https://emailtomail.org/Downloads/Pre%20Survival%20List.txt Each page should have about 15 essential sources, mostly food. With a medical, laundry, smartphone acquisition, GOV hot lines, essentials, etc. PHONE numbers. Not Links, as 33 Million Americans (many more Worldwide) do not have internet, PC, smartphone, or even phone books! (enough to re-infect the world, many times over) In fact, many do not have 911 or 311 also.
Can it be controlled at all, assuring as much accuracy as possible, guarding against foul play, unique records(one record per zip code), crowd vetted, etc.
Can there be the same system for each country. There are many data to Postal Mail services in the world, (for one's family) and we should be able to get GOV, donors to pay for Postal organizations to deliver one to each mailbox in the world ASAP.
Most web pages have <br> and other formatting, which cause extra lines to be pasted into mailing WYSIWYG forms. The example link above is to a txt file which does work without the extra lines. Can a <pre> and or <code> be implemented to solve this?
With this pandemic, each life we save, may be our own. Soon, the recovered should serve the quarantined. Only then, do we have a chance to outlast this virus. We may not have the will to do this now, but when this comes back in the Fall, as Dr. Anthony Fauci insists it will, maybe we will.
This infrastructure will serve the world for this and future disasters, for rapid deployment of LOCAL hard copy public health information. "All Politics is Local"
Thank You.
I tell them there's no problem, only solutions. :) Emailtomailorg (talk) 08:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Emailtomailorg. This might be a useful suggestion, but it is absolutely nothing to do with what Wikipedia is, which is an encyclopaedia. There are plenty of other places on the web that might be more suitable. Also, please note that, however laudable your proposal may be, you are attempting to promote it, and promotion of any kind (commercial or non-commercial) is forbidden on Wikipedia. And finally, I'm afraid, User names that suggest that they account is being used on behalf of an organisation are not permitted: if you intend to carry on editing Wikipedia (which you would be most welcome to do, if you're not being promotional) I suggest you abandon that account and create a new one. --ColinFine (talk) 08:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Does an article edited by someone else automatically get resubmitted?
I have written a article (Lee Fardon) that was initially rejected. I edited and resubmitted and it has subsequently been edited by two others. Does this mean it will automatically be resubmitted (by them) or do I have to resubmit? How do I know if my article will be accepted? Fencedown (talk) 08:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Fencedown and welcome to Wikipedia! The other two editors simply fixed up the draft, but you must click the "resubmit" button again as yet another one has declined your edit. I will warn you, though, it is probably a good idea to find some reliable sources to back your article - there has been cleaing, yes, but a lot of your sources are not ideal. -- a lad insane (channel two) 08:40, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, Fencedown - I just made a comment here and then realised that I'd misunderstood your query, so I've deleted it. Good luck with the draft. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:19, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Some doubts
Hello, i just wanted to know is there any difference between footnotes and references on wikipedia? Also, what is the use of short descriptions in any article? Lightbluerain (talk) 09:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Lightbluerain, welcome to the Teahouse. Footnotes are notes found at the bottom that are linked to sentences in the body. References are usually done as footnotes and provide information about the source content is being taken from. Short descriptions provide a very short description for articles (which makes it easier for mobile devices to find them). More information on short descriptions found on WP:SHORTDESC. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
102.68.17.73 (talk) 09:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Link to a foreign language Wikipedia
Hi, I am writing a biography in English. The spouse of the person has a page on the Swedish Wikipedia. When I try to link it claims that the page does not exist. I saw some references to how it is done, but sadly it is unclear, and in my experience (I am new to Wikipedia editing) as unclear as many help/tutorials I saw in/on Wikipedia on other subjects. Thanx Danishom (talk) 10:17, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Danishom, welcome to the Teahouse. You need the language code sv for Swedish. See Help:Interlanguage links#Inline links (links in the text of the article) and Template:Interlanguage link. We can usually give better help with less effort if you give specifics like the name of the page you want to link, and where you want to link it.
{{Interlanguage link|Name of spouse|sv}}
produces Name of spouse . "Name of spouse" is intentionally a red link to the English Wikipedia as long as we don't have an article, while "sv" links to the article in the Swedish Wikipedia. You didn't name the article so my example link doesn't work. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Non Constructive
"Hello, I'm CLCStudent. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. CLCStudent (talk) 23:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)"
- How should I best respond to this strange message? When has the criterion for Wikipedia ever been about construction rather than accuracy? Is CLCStudent operating outwith the terms and conditions of Wikipedia? Yourmrbumbles (talk) 10:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yourmrbumbles Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think the edit was just an error on CLCStudent's part, it might have seemed to a quick observer to surreptitiously slip a misspelling into the article. 331dot (talk) 10:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
New Article
I have an article in my sandbox. I want to publish it to wikipedia. please review it and revert me. Shabnamrana (talk) 11:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Shabnamrana: - there is already an article Commercial bank - it should be amended rather than creating a new draft on the same topic. I'm not quite sure why you wanted us to revert you. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:12, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nosebagbear: "Revert" is commonly used in Indian English to mean "reply". See wikt:revert#Verb, no. 12. Shabnamrana: many English speakers outside Asia do not understand "revert" in that meaning, and it has a different use in Wikipedia editing, so I advise you to avoid it here. --ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Shabnamrana: - there is already an article Commercial bank - it should be amended rather than creating a new draft on the same topic. I'm not quite sure why you wanted us to revert you. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:12, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
References
How do you put references? Yeel88 (talk) 13:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yeel88 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may learn more about citing references at WP:CITE. 331dot (talk) 13:25, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Yeel88: Or at this page, if you really get stuck: WP:EASYREFBEGIN. Let us know how you get on. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Editing
Can you give me any advice on Editing? Wale18 (talk) 15:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Wale18, Welcome to the Teahouse! Please read WP:MFA then come back and ask specific questions if that doesn't provide the answers you need. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:06, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
I know I looked ate it. I just wanted some advice from my fellow editors. Wale18 (talk) 01:47, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Wale18 If it's not about anything in particular, you might see WP:TWA and/or WP:TUTORIAL to give you an idea of how and what to do. The Wikipedia:Community Portal has various areas in which you might participate. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Article Review
Many thanks to members of the TeaHouse. In reference to the draft Draft: Aaron D. Lewis i think 4-5 reliable sources that are independent of the subject, have now been cited, neutral tone and notability guidelines met. In response to a request one editor, who asked to state 4 sources of the subject without 'passing mentions', the sources are:
- One: https://www.manchestercc.edu/mcc-presents-african-american-history-month-leadership-awards/
- Two: https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/hartford-mayor-speaks-after-resignation-of-school-administrator/1974574/
- Three: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2005/03/african-american-pentecostalism-can-renew-nation-says-emorys-robert-franklin/
- Four: https://www.courant.com/community/hartford/hc-pol-hartford-mayors-race-aaron-lewis-party-20190918-oh47pm6ucragvgabz4r6zkj4s4-story.html
- Five: https://www.lp.org/hartford-mayoral-candidate-aaron-lewis-changes-party-affiliation-from-democrat-to-libertarian/
- Six: https://eleven28.tumblr.com/100MenOfColor
I request another review and possibly comments on the talk page or the draft or below this comment, whichever works for you. Thank you. TheEpistle (talk) 15:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC) TheEpistle (talk) 15:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- TheEpistle, you have asked the same question on my talk page, where I have answered it. Please don't ask the same question in multiple places. Doing so is likely to annoy editors who might otherwise have been willing to help you. Maproom (talk) 22:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Lovingpenguin question
I published a couple of things . When I search up the title of them they do not come up . HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR ARTICLES TO BE FULLY PUBLISHED ? Lovingpenguin (talk) 16:42, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Lovingpenguin: Hi are you talking about Draft:Loving penguin and Draft:Jaws? if so then please see WP:FIRST. cheers! REDMAN 2019 (talk) 16:55, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
wikipedia
Lovingpenguin (talk) 16:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- do you have a question? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 16:55, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- The question was the pervious post. "Publish changes" (the blue rectangle) does not mean publish the draft to main space. You created Draft:Loving penguin and Draft:Jaws. Because these are not like Wikipedia articles, they have been tagged for Speedy deletion, and will disappear very soon. I suggest you take the tutorials on how to edit articles before trying to create a new article. David notMD (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
wikipedia
why was my articles deleted i just put in my own words what i thought now two of my articles are going to be deleted ? why is this website like this ? Lovingpenguin (talk) 16:57, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
jaws and loving penguin
that is so annoying! i just want to articles and edit but they just get deleted! i was only experimenting ! Lovingpenguin (talk) 17:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Lovingpenguin, if you want to experiment, that's what User:Lovingpenguin/sandbox is for. Do not create new articles in draft or articlespace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:23, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Editing Wikipedia via a proxy
Hi. I was blocked by my family from accessing Wikipedia for a short while, and, as I am a wikiholic, I used the proxy User:5.153.218.57 ([4]) to access and edit Wikipedia. I could not log in to my account from that proxy, and I subsequently got blocked for a month for making edits in my userspace. Recently, I have read WP:NOP and have realized that the edits I made on that proxy are inappropriate. As I live in Ohio, not China, what should I do now?? should User:5.153.218.57 be blocked indefinitely? Computer165 (talk) 18:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- According to your block log you have never been blocked. Ruslik_Zero 20:59, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- User:Ruslik0 User:5.153.218.57, the IP I was using, is blocked. I'm wondering if that block should be changed because it is a proxy. --Computer165 (talk) 22:57, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
I wish to contribute content to an existing page, but I wanted to share it with the page creator
On the Wikipedia page USS ARIZONA SALVAGED ARTIFACTS, it references that an artifact has been donated to the Veterans Memorial Museum in Laurel, MS. I am the website administrator for this museum and I wanted to provide a photo of the artifact/display to the Wikipedia page. I really didn't want to have to go in and do a full blown page edit. Can you help me out here?Jweby70 (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2020 (UTC) Jweby70 (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Jweby70, this is best done on the article's talk page. If you wish to release a photo for Wikipedia's (and by extension, everyone's) use, please read WP:CONSENT carefully as to how to waive your rights to the photo. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:48, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Article on famous television series
I want to create an article on a famous television series. Can someone guide me in a detailed way so i can create article without the risk of deletion. Hansi Choudhary (talk) 19:17, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Hansi Choudhary: See Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Use reliable independent external references to establish the notability of the series. I'm not sure we have a notability guideline about TV series, but WP:NFILM will help give you a sense of whether the subject is likely to meet our requirements. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Hansi Choudhary: This may seem like an obvious question, but are you sure there is not already an article about it (i.e. have you WP:SEARCHed in the Main (article) and Draft namespaces for its name and any potential variation)? What is the name of the series? I think it may be quite unusual for there to be a notable TV series that does not have an article in mainspace or one already being developed in draft space. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:59, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Articles that only exist in another language or on Wikispecies
Hello,
I have written drafts of articles for three interesting protist genera: Rhodelphis, Colponema, and Aquavolon. Rhodelphis has a short article written for it in Russian. Should I be editing this version of the article somehow or should I create a new Rhodelphis article in English? Colponema has a very short article on Wikispecies. Should I create a new Wikipedia article or add to the Wikispecies?
Thanks so much for your help. PeriplasmicCortex (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @PeriplasmicCortex: Hi! Wikipedia:Translation will have more information for you. All articles here on English Wikipedia should of course be in English, and if it exists on Russian Wikipedia and you're able to translate it without introducing errors, that would be very welcome. I don't know too much about Wikispecies, but it has a slightly different aim than Wikipedia since it's not a straight encyclopedia like we are. Typically species should have information at both places; feel free to copy over from one to the other, but be sure to note that you've done so in your edit summaries for attribution purposes. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Odd formatting on wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Your_first_article
The page shows a third bullet that is incomplete. The underlying text is this:
- , a volunteer will visit you there shortly!!
so it's obviously ignoring everything up to the comma. But I'm not sure what's wrong with it and don't know how to edit it.
```` or >> ````
or Markell West, in case that doesn't work or I misunderstood!
Markell West (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- I don't understand your question. It isn't ignoring everything up to the comma; it is providing what appears to be a sensible working link to edit the reader's user talk page. It would, however, seem appropriate to change the punctuation from a comma to a semi-colon. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @David Biddulph: I went ahead and changed it to a period. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Markell West, I'm not seeing what the issue is. The use of the comma is a little awkward, but that's easily changed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Markell West: Like the others, I saw "Click here to ask for help on your talk page". {{edit}} adds the class
noprint
so I guess you saw the page in a printed or printable version where the class is hidden.<span class="noprint">This text has noprint</span>
produces " ". I see "This text has noprint". It's not shown in the printable version. It's admittedly confusing to hide the link in some circumstances without hiding the text after the link, so I have removednoprint
.[5] Alternatively,noprint
could have been added to the whole line, but I think users who view the printable version should know the link is in the normal online version. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:27, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Markell West: Like the others, I saw "Click here to ask for help on your talk page". {{edit}} adds the class
- Hello, Markell West. You sign a post with four tildes (~~~~). You seem to have tried to sign with four backticks (````). --ColinFine (talk) 23:28, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- ... but don't sign at all if you add a new section using the Ask a question at the top of this page – it already has code in it to append the signature-producing tildes. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:04, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
SPLIT: Forming a new article from the text in an existing article
Hi, I have added a lot of new content to the 1.7.2. 'Bones' section within this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography. I left a message on its talk page proposing that a new article can be formed using 1.7.2. 'Bones' section. However, no one has yet replied. I am asking for suggestions as I intend to write more on BONES sub-section and add a few more figures on this topic. I noticed that the page is loading quite slow. I am not sure, but any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thank you. Earthianyogi (talk) 23:17, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Earthianyogi. Have you read Splitting? (By the way, when you refer to a page here, it's more helpful to use a Wikilink rather than a URL:
[[Positron emission tomography]]
rather thanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography
). --ColinFine (talk) 23:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, ColinFine. Thanks for your response. I will read it and get back. This Positron emission tomography page has reached 108,412 bytes and I have more to write. Cheers Earthianyogi (talk) 23:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Dear All, @ColinFine, Keith D, Sbharris, Kablammo, Joao Sousa (UU), Le Creusot, 202.142.86.208, 190.145.38.136, Kirigiri, Wtmitchell, and LM200:. I have noticed your valuable contribution on this Positron emission tomography article/page. This Positron emission tomography page has reached 108,412 bytes and I have more to write. I propose that section 'Bones' within the article Positron Emission Tomography be split into a separate page called PET for Bone Imaging. The content of the current page seems off-topic and these sections are large enough to make their own page. . Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 00:06, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Earthianyogi: Content discussions should be had on the article's talk page (in this case, Talk:Positron emission tomography) so they are easily found in the future. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- @AlanM1:, Thank you. Moved as suggested... Earthianyogi (talk) 10:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
LINKING within Wiki pages
LINKING within Wiki pages
Greetings!
Pardons please, I am quite new in editing.
I just wanted to add a link to the page "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Wayne_Callies" for her new show "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Dads_(TV_series)" I did do a CHECK ERROR and it has found no errors. However, upon publishing, it said that the page does not exist. Can you please check what I did wrong and tell me, so I can do this again without a hitch ?
Thank you! Jagganath69 (talk) 00:17, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Jagganath69 Links are case sensitive, unfortunately. It'd save a lot of trouble if they weren't. You can't capitalize "series". I fixed that issue for you, but keep that in mind for the future. Happy editing! -- a lad insane (channel two) 00:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Strangely worded sentence. Not continuous with the article.
Hey Guys, I'm not a WiKi-Pro so i am not completely sure how to properly edit information on this website. I found this strange. It would be a very hard job to factor out all the confounding factors leading to any results based on the studied population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza#Structure No Copyright Infringement Intended. Delahoussayekevin (talk) 00:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Delahoussayekevin: I'm not seeing a problem, but you can start a discussion on the article's talk page to get input and suggest improvements. RudolfRed (talk) 01:48, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delahoussayekevin, That does look a bit odd. I've attached a "Citation needed" template at the end of that phrase, since its unclear where that evidence came from. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 03:03, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- CaptainEek, Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Delahoussayekevin (talk • contribs) 03:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Suppressing reference group naming
Gonna jump on the other side of the fence today. I've been reading up on reference grouping because I am currently editing an article that would look best with multiple notes in a reflist at the end of each section. To separate them I have been using <ref group="" name="">
tags, but when I call them, the superscript marks read as "group 1" instead of "1" as I wanted them to do. Anyone know a way of suppressing the group name from showing up in superscript? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Tenryuu Do you mind sharing the article you are working on? I have a couple of thoughts, but I do better playing around a bit (without saving, but will share what worked in preview mode). And, you are not trying to separate notes from citations, but to have separate reference lists by section, right?–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:05, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: If you use {{Efn}} and {{Notelist}}, it will use the lower-case letters and they can be re-used in multiple sections (i.e. the {{Notelist}} shows only the {{Efn}} since the last {{Notelist}} (or the top of the article if none)):
Section 1
Notes:
Section 2
Notes:
The {{Efn-lr}} and {{Notelist-lr}} (with lowercase Roman numerals) are less confusing when multiple references to the same ref might be used, which also produce lowercase letters. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:22, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
P.S.: I assume we're talking about "notes" only here, not actual references (which should remain together near the end of the article, AFAIK). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
I have a draft pending. Is it okay to make a article on that?
Hi, I recently made a article namely Draft:Basic Level Examination. It is a type of examination which used to be named District Level. Previously, It used to be conducted by particular district. But now it is conducted by Municipal Education Board. So, I felt it was necessary to make a article. District Level Examination is the previous system of board examination for Grade 8 students. Please suggest me necessarily. NecessaryEdits (talk) 01:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: District Level Examination. Maproom (talk) 08:05, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
hyperlink below article ta:பிலார் உருயிசு இலாபுயெந்தே
it contains hyperlink above "From விக்கிப்பீடியா" and below "பிலார் உருயிசு இலாபுயெந்தே" in desktop mode [ i mean tapping desktop at bottom of page, NOT "request desktop site". is this some kind of error ? Leela52452 (talk) 04:12, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Leela52452: The Teahouse here can only handle questions about the English Wikipedia. Each language is a separate project with its own rules that are not necessarily the same. Please ask at the Help desk of ta.wikipedia.org. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Leela52452: It's done deliberately on all pages in that wiki by installing mw:Extension:ShortUrl. The url's for non-Latin scripts look bad because they use percent-encoding, e.g. this for your example:
- https://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D_%E0%AE%89%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%81_%E0%AE%87%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AF%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%A8%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%87
- Your browser may display it in the script in the browser address bar so it looks better to you there, especially if you know the script. https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/7ctr is an automatically created redirect to the article. It uses the page ID so it still works if the article is moved. In a wikilink you can write ta:பிலார் உருயிசு இலாபுயெந்தே but that only works from within Wikipedia, not when a link is posted externally. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Way to format an image with a heading, without using the multiple image template
I am working on edits to an article, Procuratie, which uses a {{Multiple image}} template (vs. formatting with the standard "File:" format). I created this sandbox page with both formats for the same image, and the only difference is that there doesn't not seem to be a way to add a header to the File: format.
- Is there a way to add a header to the File approach that I am just not aware of?
- Is it okay to just leave the single image formatting using the multiple image template?
I have investigated templates and image how-to pages and cannot figure it out - and I wasn't sure where else to ask. Thanks so much! –CaroleHenson (talk) 04:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Correcting mis-linked English and Danish pages
The English entry for an area of Copenhagen variously known as: the Kildevækd Quarter, the Strandvej Quarter, the Svanemølle Quarter and the Composers' Quarter is here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kildev%C3%A6ld_Quarter
It should be liked to this Danish page
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strandvejskvarteret
It is currently linked to this page which related not to the Quarter but to a street which forms part of it:
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kildev%C3%A6ldsgade
I am not sure how to decouple this link and connect the two pages correctly.
Would also make more sense to title the English page 'Strandvej Quarter' for consistency with the Danish one.
If anyone would like to do this for me, or tell me how to do it, that would be great, thanks. Betongmandarin (talk) 06:32, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Betongmandarin: thank you for the heads-up about this. Language links between different Wikipedia versions are stored at Wikidata, and I have removed the English-language link from the Wikidata page about Kildevældsgade and added it to the page about Strandvejskvaerteret. There is an instruction page for how to use Wikidata, in case you want to make other similar changes in future. --bonadea contributions talk 08:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, what about renaming the English page? I was worried that doing this might create some other problem. (Betongmandarin (talk) 08:35, 26 April 2020 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betongmandarin (talk • contribs) 08:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC) Problem solved, I worked it out Thanks Betongmandarin (talk) 10:49, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Can I propose a redirect page that was denied multiple times 10 years ago?
I think it only makes common sense to have a redirect from Articles for Deletion to the page WP:Articles for Deletion. I see that several requests to create the page Articles for Deletion were denied in the past (>10 years ago), or that the page was deleted for random reasons. Is there a reason that this is a silly question? Is there a reason the page shouldn't redirect to the right AfD page? Thank you for opinions. Ikjbagl (talk) 06:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ikjbagl, there is an essay on cross namespace redirects at Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects. The current consensus is not to redirect from mainspace to project space. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 07:17, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Alex Noble thank you Ikjbagl (talk) 07:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)