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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, January 2022

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Nick-D on the Australian Army in Somalia Review essay: Hog Farm on American Civil War sites in the South and Midwest

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIV, February 2022

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 and Nick-D on World War II in Europe

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, March 2022

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Nick-D on Hitler as a military leader

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Re: Hi Joy. Question about the Tomislav of Croatia article

I'm not typically involved in discussions about these illustrations, so I suggest you try to find a relevant section of the manual of style to see what's the best course of action. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 05:34, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Milan Tepić

Hi. There is a problem with the article Milan Tepić where the sources are deleted. Editor user:Amanuensis Balkanicus has requested [[1]] that the site be protected and is now protected so that it can no longer be edited. Again, the User Ранко Николић vandalizes and deletes reliable sources [[2]]. Here is the editing history [[3]]. I hope they look at you and solve the problem. Thanks89.172.92.112 (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@89.172.92.112: Instead of edit warring, bring the discussion to the talk page. The other editor should have done the same before deleting content sourced. Back and forth edits only cause problems. @Amanuensis Balkanicus: was right to request protection. As you and other IPs and the other editor were disruptive in edit waring. Not the way to go about things. If you feel a user is engaging in “vandalism” or revisionism , they can be reported for doing so to have admins take a look. OyMosby (talk) 16:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, April 2022

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 on military logistics and rebuilding Nagasaki

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The Bugle: Issue CXCIII, May 2022

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 on a World War II summit and the American space program

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June 2022

Your edit to Miklós Horthy has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. — Diannaa (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

@Diannaa: The information I add was mainly reworded with direct quotes put in quotation and citations added. I even mention the museum as credit. Please double check. Now any contrary information about Horthy is completely washed away and only the positive claims about him remain. Could you please double check? And if indeed my info was still to close to the original text, do you have any critiques what parts stand out? You also removed half the information that isn’t even from USHMM. You removed other sources and information, all that point out Horthy’s collaboration. Is it because I relied to heavily on one source too? How should I have summarized it differently? I felt that I reworded it enough to be appropriate. Anyways I am sorry and will try to reassess the way I add new sources and content from those sources. OyMosby (talk) 15:07, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have undone the revision deletion so you can better see why I removed it. The only things in quotation marks are the word “Apologists” and the phrase “had no power to halt the deportations”. You can use Earwig's tool to view the extent of the overlap.

In this edit summary you state that I removed a lot of material unrelated to the copyvio. However, that content was copied from here and is thus also a violation of our copyright policy.

I have to go out right now or else I will be late for an appointment, and will be back in 3 or 4 hours.— Diannaa (talk) 15:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

@Diannaa: You removed the entire paragraph that was half there before I even added content from USHMM. You can see the other sources and see what I added back is not at all from the USHMM site. You removed almost 3,000 characters when I added about half that. In that diff you can see that everything I added back is not related to the copyvio source. Using your Earwig tool it shows half the paragraph not to be from USHMM. So I am referring to the other half of sentences and sources removed not connected to the USHMM I recently added. That is a great tool though and will definitely use it to verify my edits in the future. Thank you and hope you made your appointment reasonably timely. Cheers OyMosby (talk) 15:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

The content beginning "The direct role of Germany in Hungarian antisemitic policy was insignificant" was added by you in November 2021. Diff of Miklós Horthy. Using Earwig's tool shows that it is a match for this page at USHMM. The sentence starting "Serbian historian Zvonimir Golubović..." did not have to be removed though, and I apologize for removing it by mistake.

General advice: Content has to be written in your own words and not include any wording from the source material. One thing I find that works for me is to read over the source material and then pretend I am verbally describing the topic to a friend in my own words. Stuff should also be presented in a different order where possible. Summarize rather than paraphrase. This will typically result in your version being much shorter than the source document. There's some reading material on this topic at Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and/or have a look at the material at Paraphrase: Write It in Your Own Words. Check out the links in the menu on the left for some exercises to try. Or study this module aimed at WikiEd students.— Diannaa (talk) 19:32, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

@Diannaa: Oh shoot! I completely forgot about and missed that. My deepest apologies for that. Yes, I really should make more time to summarize the content I add. I’m not a great writer but come across great sources and notice massive holes in articles. It feels so frustrating. Especially with this subject where past editors whitewashed Horthy and his complicity in the Holocaust. I have seen people reference this article to promote apologist aims. So I rushed to add the information but should have been more mindful. You can lock the edits if you wish for copyvio. I doubted USHMM will come after us or Wikipedia but never know. Earwig is an amazing tool. Wish I knew about it sooner. And thanks for the tips. I forgot a lot of this from school when writing class papers haha! Thank you again Diannaa for your patience and help. Stay well. OyMosby (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the apology. Forgot to say: It's a lot easier to write copyright compliant content if you can find multiple sources that cover the points you want to make. Read your sources, add post-it notes to the book pages or write notes to yourself on a piece of paper. Think about what you have read, and then state your points in your own words, and add your citations. Cheers, — Diannaa (talk) 20:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Report IP

Hi! According to my research, this range of IPs [[4]] is vandalized every day on sites related to Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia and Macedonia. Please pay attention to the editing of that IP range and if the vandalism continues please report it to someone in charge to block it. Thanks78.3.85.128 (talk) 08:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Re: Recent manor edits on Croatia

You're free to apply WP:BRD and undo bold edits that don't seem to be an improvement. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Re: Familiar with this issue?

I don't recall the specific incident, but this kind of a thing comes up every so often, it can be seen as a WP:Recentism matter, where someone is arguing that the status quo of the last 200 years is recentism towards the status quo of the previous 600 years :) I suggest you explain your understanding of the issue on the relevant article talk pages, and consult scholarly sources to see how they explain things. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:41, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, I thought I hinted at what I thought by explaining what a stretch the recentism argument is :) If the preponderance of reliable sources don't take this into account, neither should the article. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:35, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

I think the main problem with that lead in general is that it creates a problem known as the WP:SEAOFBLUE. It also seems to focus too much on the specific names of short-lived states, which isn't typically what the English readers are looking for, and this applies to both 1918 and 1941. I think if you want to truly help it, you should examine how other relevant country articles deal with the summarization of their intros and try to apply some of that. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXCIV, June 2022

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 and Nick-D look at four recent works

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Removal of soured stats from intro

Yes, the RFERL.org source only mentioned that 10,000 fled in the first three months after the incident. I just went along what the source says. But other sources were given with higher ranges, so nothing was lost.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 15:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I see your point. You corrected it in the meantime. --3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 15:56, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Foibe Massacre possible Original Research and WP:POINT reaction edits

Hi @Joy: I am pinging you here as I realize you tend to prefer replying on the asking person’s talk page so thought it would keep the thread organized. Could you take a look at the Foibe massacres edits and Talk page discussion? I am concerned that original research is being used in the article. Because comments like this and Edits like this and edits like this seem like tit-for-tat WP:POINT reaction edits. Also it appears original research about genetic sis being used as an argument. I just want and admin to look over this in case I may be misinterpreting another editor. I am pretty sure the addition of DAI, a peimary source and making edits based on personal interpretation is original research. Also my edits are met with passive aggressive retaliation edits. Despite a source stating both Croats and Serbs starting off as small tribes. Cheers OyMosby (talk) 01:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

OK I clicked the three links and I am immediately confused as to why are we arguing about topics of the medieval origins of the Croats in an article about 20th century massacres?! This seems like a process that has gone entirely off the rails already. I'll see if I can have a look into the general issue later. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@Joy: Hey I agree. The entire section seems both irrelevant and factually one-sided. But it was put there by a user out of spite because they included a primary source DAI that the inhabitants of Central and Southern Dalmatia were are all Serbs. I placed secondary sources that claim that DAI is likely referring to these areas being under Serbian political rule at the time and that ethnic populations were mixed. User didn’t like that and decided in spite to misquote Fine and cherry pick lines and only one book of his to explain how Croats are not a real ethnicity and just a political term. They admitted they did this in reaction to my edit. But claim I am the one rejecting Fines work not them. Non sense gaslighting. Fine said this about Serbs as well but the user says it doesn’t count because that specific book mostly focuses on Croats so any info on Serbs is not to be used or valid. Yet Fine has ofher books about the Balkans as well. It is the most convoluted argument I had to date. Once again another example of DAI being misused, original research interpreting a translated transcript that is a primary source, and evident axe grinding . They did not mention Serbs as a small group nor that “Serb” is not a real ethnicity. The double standards it makes my blood boil. I am out of breath from the constant off topic rambling on that article’s talk page. I had to walk away. I have seen other editors share same marathon argument frustrations. Not the first case of original research and blatantly score settling edit operations. For example an edit where Slav victims of theItalians wa sput as just Slovenes. Croats completely left out despite one of the largest Italian run camps, the Rab Concentration Camp being located in an area among Croat populations. tired of dealing with Balkan nationalists and their mind games. It is why I want admins to look into this. OyMosby (talk) 11:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

This sounds like WP:COATRACK is an appropriate comparison. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@Joy: what do you think of the edits on the Dalmatia article this past years such as this? It sort of comes across from a Italian pov about the 19nth and 20th century using exclusively Italian website sources. There seems to be an implication that Croatian and Slovene culture didn’t exists until the Hapsburgs interjected it into Dalmatia in the 1800s? Weird how for a years this went unnoticed. OyMosby (talk) 23:15, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

August 1995 refugee column bombing

Hi. [[5]] This new article is made in Serbian POV. Nothing has been proven and Croatia denies this event. Can you edit this article. Thanks 93.136.20.114 (talk) 10:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

This may be something editor @Peacemaker67: would be better experienced with. I know the event has become highly political in recent months hence perhaps the sudden creation of the article. As for pov. It is best not to start shouting off identity blame. OyMosby (talk) 23:12, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

If you can send him a message to look at the article, I can't, because I'm an IP, and an IP can't write something on his page. Thank you93.136.20.114 (talk) 02:27, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Why don’t you creat a user account given your desire to edit and engage on Wikipedia? People don’t take IP addresses seriously. It is quite easy to make an account…. By having an account, other editors and build relations with you and would be more willing to work with you. OyMosby (talk) 05:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't want to create an account on wikipedia, I don't know how to edit wikipedia very well. I accidentally came across this article and I see that they are trying to make a Serbian POV (like user Griboski and user ElderZamzam), and I am doing a NOPOV and correcting the injustice by putting reliable sources.93.136.20.114 (talk) 05:51, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

You seem proficient at editing and adding sources. I don’t understand why not just make one. It would help yourself more so. Labeling other users “this or that” is a quick way to get you blocked and others less likely to work with you. Have you posted on my talk page under a different IP address? OyMosby (talk) 05:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

No, I saw that you and Joy edit some similar topics on wikipedia so I reached out to have a look at the article. I didn't offend anyone, I just edited the page in a neutral way.93.136.20.114 (talk) 06:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, so clearly you know how to edit. So why edit as a restricted IP than with a full Wikipedia account is strange. Not to mention, while you are adding back cited sources which I don’t know why are being removed, I notice in your edit you also wiped out the intro of the article which is vandalism so obviously you will get reverted. OyMosby (talk) 10:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXCVI, July 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CXCVII, August 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, September 2022

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ITN recognition for Dietrich Mateschitz

On 23 October 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Dietrich Mateschitz, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 20:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXCIX, November 2022

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Vukašin Mandrapa

Hello OyMosby, can you edit and keep an eye on this site [[6]], they are constantly deleting sources.You understand the second world war, so if you can edit that page better than it is. [[7]] 93.138.100.222 (talk) 16:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Someone made a new article on wikipedia about WW2 [[8]], so if you can edit it. 78.3.87.142 (talk) 13:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 206, June 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 207, July 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 208, August 2023

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Croatia War of Independence

I may have erred by deleting the 2021 verdict, but I wanted to insert the new 2023 verdict that would bring it up-to-date. I tried finding the 2023 verdict online for quite some time, but I finally did find it today and included it in the text just recently. Try checking it out now. It gives a clear description of a joint criminal enterprise and the roles of Stanisic and Simatovic in it.

As for Dragan Vasiljkovic, he was under the wrong category. The category was ICTY and its verdicts. And he was convicted by a Croatian court. Vasiljkovic shall thus have to be mentioned somewhere else, under local courts, but with a source. The deleted sentence randomly mentioning him was unsourced.

I hope this helps. If there are other issues, feel free to correct them.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 16:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Ante Gotovina

He was assigned to the HVO from April to October 1992 during the Croat-Bosniak war https://www.icty.org/x/cases/gotovina_old/ind/en/got-ai040224e.htm Napalm Guy (talk) 17:54, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see now. I will revert myself then. OyMosby (talk) 22:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Napalm Guy (talk) 23:35, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Apparent block evasion

Hi OyMosby, long time no see. I remember that a pro-Serbia nationalist POV-pusher socked with Brazil (Sao Paulo) IPs, but I can't recall the master's username. Could you help? Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:30, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ktrimi, sorry for the delayed response. I don’t recall one that had Brazilian IP addresses. Is there any other description of this user? OyMosby (talk) 22:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey. It was someone who made much disruption 2 or 3 years ago. It came to mind after seeing that Sao Paolo IP [9] making the same kind of disruption. Given the long time that has passed since then, I do not remember anything more than this. However, if large-scale disruption does not resume, it is not worth spending time to search old stuff. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 01:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Wonder if it is this guy. They did a lot of

damage vandalizing and pov pushing articles. Many of which remained unnoticed. There appears to be another new editor doing similar edits as well. OyMosby (talk) 16:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Nah, not Savasampion. On your suspicions about Bagyblazha being a sock of Savasampion, you might want to take a look there. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Interesting tool. And the pattern seems suspicious. Thanks! OyMosby (talk) 21:56, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Now came to mind. The Brazilin IPs were JohnGotten. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I remember that user. Very problematic account. I wasn’t aware they used a Brazilian IP. OyMosby (talk) 21:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I have to inform you that JohnGotten is back. Put this dynamic ip from which he edits under surveillance [[10]] and the pages he edits also under surveillance to prevent new vandalism. He has been vandalizing for years and will not stop. And this is from last year from another ip range from Brazil [[11]] same city.89.172.20.12 (talk) 15:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Katrimi, is there validity to what this IP is saying? OyMosby (talk) 00:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Bbb23 I read what it says on your talk page. I wanted to say something on your page but it is locked for IP so unfortunately I have to say here. I have to tell you both to feel free to shut down the IP chat pages together. I just wanted you to know that I am not a wikipedia vandal, I just restored what someone else vandalized. I will no longer edit this wikipedia and warn about what others are vandalizing. You Bbb23 humiliated me by blocking me, and I wanted to help wikipedia, so you know. Good bye89.172.115.160 (talk) 21:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bbb23: I think this was meant for you… OyMosby (talk) 23:23, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Blocked, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hello @Bejnar, just saw your message. I will try to get back to you this evening. I think I see partly your concern and also the unclear communication on my part. And how the sentence in the intro may not be as clear as it should. Will expand on this on the article’s talk page and take a look at the sources you provided there. Thank you for your patience. Cheers! OyMosby (talk) 18:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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In that case I’ll spend the meantime reviewing the sources you provided as well as some others and get back to you later on. I restored your edit as that was more accurate than the original in April as I explained in my edit diff summary. I hadn’t read the sentence more carefully before I clicked “undo”. I still think improvements can be made in the paragraph and have some concerns with the sentences prior to the Southern Slav part as well. We’ll discuss when you are back. Safe travels! OyMosby (talk) 11:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Dalmatia reverts

You made a revert on the Dalmatia article, but you have not provided any reason why the content should stay. Since you are supposed to have a arguments-based reason for readding content, you need to explain that. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I reverted a user who removed a swath of information under the claim that the onus was on the user adding the content. But given it was long standing content that was removed, I would have thought the onus would be on them. After looking now that you made edits there previously outlining issues you had with potential weak sourcing, perhaps make the edits you seem fit or make mentions on the talk page expanding on what sources you have concern with? I see another user after me removed some stuff so not sure if that includes content you removed earlier? I see there was a back and forth of reverts. Is the consensus that Dalmatia is thought to solely come from an old Albanian word as to their being doubt? I’m not fully well read on the matter. I assumed there would be a discussion on the talk page about it. But neither sides of the discussion initiated one. Perhaps again just make the edit and on the talk page explain your reasoning. If no one challenges with their own explanation, then I don’t see any further reason for undoing your edit. Cheers. OyMosby (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Since the most problematic stuff, the part sourced to a decades-old sources not supported by any other source, has been removed, I might leave the rest on the article and just modify the wording a bit so it makes more sense. I will give it some more thought. The etymology of ancient names usually is a matter of guessing for scholars, more rumour than fact-based research. Noone can tell if "Delmatae" meant this or that; at least we try to provide readers with scholarship-backed opinions that have some recent supporters. Cheers :) Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. I saw this edit adding a topic of "Croatian Holocaust Deniers" though looking at the sources and article, where does it say the subject outright denied the Holocaust had happened? He appeared to at first stat lower numbers but later retracted an apologized for it. Or that he outright denied Ustashe crimes which was added by the same editor? It states he had lower figures than the million claimed by Yugoslavia, but not a full denial. Perhaps downplaying would be at most the attribution. Though his figures were closer to the Holocaust museum than Yugoslavia;'s by a large margin. It seems pov and misleading to claim he denied it all. Could you take a look? Thank you. 161.11.160.128 (talk) 13:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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No, Italian names have been used officially for centuries, but the one you mentioned (Zader) has not, since it was replaced by the Italian one. LukeWiller (talk) 21:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

No, wait a minute, you wrote "Zader", not "Zadar". Personally, I consider a detailed list unnecessary, given that you also admitted that "Zara" was the historical name used for the longest time. Frankly, I don't understand where the problem lies. LukeWiller (talk) 22:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC).

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