MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist-forbidden-edit

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{{editprotected}} The current error message is not very infomative. Please consider the following change. Cheers, ➪HiDrNick! 19:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

The page title that you have attempted to create has been included on the local title blacklist, which prevents it from being used due to abuse.

If you have a good reason for creating a page with this title, or if you receive this message when attempting to edit an existing page, please let us know at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Be sure to specify the exact title of the page you are trying to create or edit, as well as a brief explanation of what you were trying to do. Thank you.

 Done Good idea. Happy‑melon 10:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

{{sudo}} Could we add a mention of the global blacklist as well, over at m:Title blacklist, which also triggers this same error. On another note, it would be very useful if these MW error messages included the MW page for the message itself; these are a pain to find. Cheers, HiDrNick! 21:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Done I didn't add a link to this page, though. I don't know, but there may be a reason why links to these aren't provided generally. Cheers,--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 04:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Noticeboard link

How about linking directly, i.e. post a request at the Administrators' noticeboard --Apoc2400 (talk) 19:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Requested edits

I am requesting that an administrator change "It matches an entry on the local or global blacklists" to "It matches a regular expression on the local or global title blacklists". I am also requesting that an administrator remove "or edit" because it does not control which edits are made. -- IRP ☎ 01:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Not done: I don't see the advantages of either of these proposals. Most people don't know what regular expressions are, and interface messages should be as easily understood as possible. The reason that the "or edit" clause is in there is because the title blacklist can also prevent edits from being made to titles which are on the blacklist but have already been created.--Aervanath (talk) 06:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

{{Editprotected}} I believe my requested edit should be made for the following reason: I was unable to nominate User talk:! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Threeskin for deletion because the title blacklist was preventing me from doing so. After an administrator created the page for me, I was able to edit it without any error messages, which means that the title blacklist cannot control which edits are made. The other thing, even though most people don't know what a regular expression is, I requested that a link be provided to regular expression so anybody who doesn't know what it is can click on the link. -- IRP ☎ 21:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I support these changes, but will wait for further agreement before implementing. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

It depends on the specific entry in the titleblacklist though. For example, Template:Editnotices/List of Sonny With a Chance episodes is protected by the titleblacklist so that only sysops can edit it. --Amalthea 22:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I also don't really see the advantage of specifying how the titleblacklist is working. "An entry" seems, for the typical editor, really more useful than confusing with "regular expressions", even if it's linked. We already provide a link to the local blacklist, so for anyone interested he can find out more about what's behind it. Maybe we should have a help or project page explaining what it really is, and what it does, to provide better explanations? --Amalthea 23:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Not done: Since Amalthea and I are both objecting to this, it's clear it doesn't have consensus. The reason IRP could edit the MfD page AFTER it was created by an admin was that editing had not been blocked for that particular entry on the list. Please see mw:Extension:Title Blacklist, which gives the technical capabilities of the list.--Aervanath (talk) 06:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 17 July 2016

I went to the creation of Pәrәmәç, and found out that the page can be created by template editors, which I am now a part of. So can you please replace the text with the following:

{{fmbox
|id    = mw-protectedpagetext
|type  = warning
|image = none
|text  = The page title or edit you have tried to create has been restricted to administrators and template editors at this time. It matches an entry on the [[Mediawiki:Titleblacklist|local]] or [[m:Title blacklist|global]] blacklists, which is '''usually''' used to prevent vandalism. 

If you receive this message when trying to edit, create or move an existing page, follow these instructions:

:* '''Any administrator or template editor can create or move this page for you.''' Please post a request at the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard|Administrators' noticeboard]]. 
:* You may also contact any [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|administrator]] or [[Special:ListUsers/templateeditor|template editor]] on their [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] or by email.
:* Be sure to specify the '''exact title''' (especially by [[Help:Link|linking]] it) of the page you are trying to create or edit, and if it might be misunderstood (for example, an article with an unusual name), consider explaining briefly what you want to do.
:* If you wrote any text, '''save it temporarily on your computer''' until you can edit the page.

Thank you.
}}<!-- MediaWiki:Titleblacklist-forbidden-edit -->

?

GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:43, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

It may be technically true, but being totally unrelated to template editing, I'm not sure it is worth making the point here? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:02, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree. I think template editors mainly have the tboverride right so they can create and edit editnotices which are on MediaWiki:Titleblacklist. Template:Editnotices/Page/Example does mention template editors if you try to create it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:46, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I have disabled the request for now. However I notice that the wording of MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist-warning does include template editors, so perhaps there is some argument for consistency here. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 21 October 2016

The first sentence says "The page title or edit you have tried to create has been restricted to administrators at this time. It matches an entry on the local or global blacklists, which is usually used to prevent vandalism." Template editors can also override the title blacklist, in addition to administrators. Can the first sentence be changed to "The page title or edit you have tried to create has been restricted to template editors and administrators at this time. It matches an entry on the local or global blacklists, which is usually used to prevent vandalism.", as well as changing the first two bullet points to:

• Any template editor or administrator can create or move this page for you. Please post a request at the Administrators' noticeboard.
• You may also contact any template editor or administrator on their talk page or by email.

—MRD2014 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

While this may be true I'm not sure how relevant it is to the titleblacklist. Template editors are granted the right based on their ability to edit templates correctly. Using them for this purpose may not be appropriate. Why not leave the message to its current and simpler version? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:21, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I understand. I'm just saying that template editors can override the title blacklist as well. —MRD2014 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm quite sure you're correct. But I just can't see the benefit in changing the message ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:17, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Should we change the notice to include the $1 and $2 parameters which indicates the blacklisted entry like the following: Suggestion

UpsandDowns1234 (🗨) 05:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

$2 is unnecessary, as you should know what page you yourself are trying to edit. $1 might be useful, however. Pppery 17:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 7 September 2020

Please change this to

Reasons:

1. The wording is awkward. The wording I am requesting is more concise.
2. There is no way to know which blacklist entry was tripped. This is problematic when there are errors on the local or global blacklists. The extendedconfirmed-show makes sure that well-established users can always see the entry tripped.
3. The changes I made automatically detect whether to use "create" or "edit" depending on whether the page is editable. Aasim 00:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Awesome Aasim: just making sure, is this what you want changed? For any other of these, please also make a sandbox to show the exact change proposed. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:44, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes that is it. Thank you. Aasim 18:34, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Xaosflux Aasim 19:19, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

okay https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Titleblacklist-forbidden-edit/sandbox&type=revision&diff=977423437&oldid=977401523&diffmode=source should be the change I want. Aasim 19:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Looks good/uncontroversial to me. I changed "computer or phone" to "device" because I thought it's a bit simpler. Is it really wise to suggest contacting an individual admin (I realise you didn't change this part)? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@MSGJ actually roll back your edit. It breaks on new pages for some weird reason. Aasim 15:13, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually, it is the fact that the thing is in a template that breaks the message. Maybe use direct HTML instead of the template? Aasim 15:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Reopening edit request. @MSGJ please replace the mbox with this code as it does not break the messages when there are regular expressions with pipe characters:

Aasim 15:31, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Titleblacklist-forbidden-edit/sandbox&type=revision&diff=977886201&oldid=977885315&diffmode=source Aasim 15:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Does that work now? (I also removed the bullet point about contacting a random admin because I don't think that is likely to be successful. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

@MSGJ About that pipe escaping thing with the title blacklist messages, I started a Phabricator bug report because there isn't a good way to work around this issue: phab:T350296. I suspect this may be a larger problem with how MediaWiki passes parameters to system messages. Awesome Aasim 18:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

As a note, this workaround may break at an arbitrary point in the future when mboxes are made to be no longer tables. I will do what I can to remember this when the glorious conversion happens. Izno (talk) 15:49, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 January 2021

Please change “is currently restricted to administrators” to “could not be completed”. Page movers and template editors have the ability to override the tb, so the first message is incorrect. 54nd60x (talk) 00:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: What about the lower mention? Izno (talk) 18:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Izno: "Any administrator can create/edit this page for you" is not incorrect, but posting request on AN is more likely to be watched, so I don't think that message needs to be changed. 54nd60x (talk) 21:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

The message doesn't say anything about AN though? --Izno (talk) 00:39, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@Izno: Sorry, but can you please clarify what that means? If you have alternate non-admin account or if you log out, and you try to edit a blacklisted page like 1&2=3, it does give a link to AN. 54nd60x (talk) 00:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

The text I am asking about is:

<li>'''Any administrator can {{#ifexist:$2|edit|create}} this page for you.''' Please {{#ifexist:$2|{{submit an edit request/link|display=submit an edit request}}|post a request at the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard|Administrators' noticeboard]] or on the {{submit an edit request/link|display=talk page}}}}.</li>

How would you like to change that text? --Izno (talk) 01:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@Izno: I don't think it needs to be changed at this point. 54nd60x (talk) 01:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Then I don't agree with the change above either. If the rationale is "not just admins", then that applies equally to the bullet below. --Izno (talk) 02:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@Izno: How about changing "Any administrator can create this page for you" to "Any administrator, template editor, or page mover can create this page for you?" But wouldn't that seem to wordy? 54nd60x (talk) 02:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I think it is too wordy and unnecessary — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:42, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@MSGJ: You made a comment above that consistency was needed w/ this message about template editors/admins. I agree that consistency is needed w/ this message, but I don’t know how to reword it. 54nd60x (talk) 06:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

See c:MediaWiki:Titleblacklist-forbidden-edit for an example, it doesn’t say “admin only” but just says “cannot be create by you.” 54nd60x (talk) 06:41, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, I just looked at the title blacklist and saw that some entries can actually be created/edited by autoconfirmed users as well, with <autoconfirmed>. Considering that, to fix the message is too complex so for now I will mark this edit request as closed. 54nd60x (talk) 07:13, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 2 October 2022

Remove <span class="extendedconfirmed-show"> and </span> from the interface message. Reason: Unless there is a specific reason not to, I don't see why only extended-confirmed users should be able to see the blacklist entry. Railtransportfan (talk) 21:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

It was part of the original edit request in #Protected edit request on 7 September 2020. I don't see a really good reason to hide it either, though I know that Discord is cagey with their automod rules. Izno (talk) 23:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done ok. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:05, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 12 October 2022

Please change "post a request at the Administrators' noticeboard or on the talk page" to "post a request at the Administrators' noticeboard or open a new edit request".

The reason is some talk pages can be protected by the title blacklist or page protection. This can happen if the talk page is on the title blacklist. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 13:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done (note - this is only a label change, it won't do anything different). — xaosflux ^Talk 12:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux Sorry for the late ping, but the current text reads "or on the open a new edit request" in the source. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 21:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Awesome Aasim better? — xaosflux ^Talk 22:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much! Have a wonderful day/night Xaosflux! Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 23:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 December 2022

Options exist to allow autoconfirmed users to edit too. We should change the message, preferably using {{#invoke:protection banner}}. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:CD0B:4279:7442:3EF8 (talk) 04:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done this is not a specific immediate edit request, feel free to continue to discuss this idea below. — xaosflux ^Talk 05:53, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 29 October 2023

−

is currently restricted to administrators because the page title matches an entry

+

is currently restricted to administrators, page movers, and template editors because the page title matches an entry

For consistency with MediaWiki:Titleblacklist-forbidden-edit. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 06:25, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit protected

Please replace this with the template syntax as the bug that was causing the broken regex message was fixed (phab:T350296). Awesome Aasim 14:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done @Awesome Aasim: this is too ambiguous. Please make the edit you are proposing in the sandbox here: MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist-forbidden-edit/sandbox, then reactivate the edit request. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:31, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit protected with update to template syntax (and consistency with protected page text)

Please update the template with the changes in the sandbox. This uses the standardized {{protected page text}} (specifically {{protected page text/blacklist}}) and the newly formed Lua module Module:Title blacklist to create the blacklist message (and protect the relevant templates and modules). I would also suggest hiding on MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext but there is a bug in the Lua library for the title blacklist phab:T351133. Awesome Aasim 19:32, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Looks like there is a huge pile of full protects we will have to evaluate first. — xaosflux ^Talk 22:51, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: per the above. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Reactivating edit request. I don't know what you mean by "full pile of full protects" to evaluate first. In any case reactivating to get further input. Awesome Aasim 18:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't see a pile of full protected here. It looks like aside from {{FULLROOTPAGENAME}} which is used all over the MediaWiki namespace and should be full protected anyway {{Protected page text/blacklist}} is the only one needing full protection. That said I'm not convinced this needs to be done at all as the title blacklist is a different thing from full protection, and feel this major change to the interface may benefit from more discussion, so am not granting this myself. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done TBL =/= FP. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Xaosflux Of course not. Titleblacklist does not full protect a title; just template protects it. The reason for using the "create protect" lock though is because in essence titleblacklist prevents the creation of a group of titles by anyone except template editors and administrators. The current system of locks does a terrible job at conveying that. Awesome Aasim 19:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 13 April 2024

I want to create an article for a page that describes my business AmoWorldbali (talk) 16:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You are in entirely the wrong place. See Help:YFA and WP:COI * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 2 September 2024

Can you change the words "Administrator, page mover and template editor" based on {{#invoke:effective protection level|main}}? Options exist to allow <autoconfirmed> users to edit the page as well. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:3985:119A:2840:B2EE (talk) 18:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done proposed changes would need to be sandboxed and tested prior to implementation. Feel free to continue to discuss improvements in this section. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Implementation of Template:Protected page text for title blacklisted entries

Please implement my changes in both MediaWiki talk:Protectedpagetext/sandbox and MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist-forbidden-edit/sandbox.

These changes will display the most relevant reason why a page is not editable. Since blacklisting is done for the same reasons stipulated in the Project:Protection policy, having the same consistent notice for both isn't bad. The change might look weird in MediaWiki: space, but I already checked these messages will display correctly on protected pages. Awesome Aasim 19:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

This seems to be a repeat of #Edit protected with update to template syntax (and consistency with protected page text), which was declined. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:25, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay let's take it to VPT. Closing. Awesome Aasim 17:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)