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Add Pepe Julian Onziema to side photos or page

I know Pepe Julian Onziema from the 2012 internet meme, but he's a prominent figure in the trans community and often put his life and freedom on the line to fight for trans rights in his country. I'm new to editing articles, so maybe someone more knowledgeable can do it. Dymardo (talk) 20:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Onziema is a brave man with a good cause but is not that significant to transgender history. There is no free image of him available either. Dronebogus (talk) 13:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definition Error

The opening sentence contradicts what a man is, according to this site and how biology defines a man: "A trans man (short for transgender man) is a man who was assigned female at birth." This should read "A trans man is a person who was assigned female at birth, but who identifies as male." This will clear it up. EmeraldGander1999 (talk) 04:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why "but"? EvergreenFir (talk) 05:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“Queer-identified women”

I suggest someone with the authority to do so should change this to “queer women” where it occurs. “Queer-identified” suggests that a secondary observer has identified them as queer, or is speculating as to the nature of their gender or sexuality, when this is not the case. 38.15.59.123 (talk) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I'm pretty sure that the person who wrote it intended it to mean self-identified but I agree that saying "identified" is unnecessary, and possibly open to misinterpretation, so I have taken it out. I think that the paragraph is still a little bit clunky, and could do with some further work, but I think this is an improvement. --DanielRigal (talk) 10:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Terminology': Singling out a notable person as an example of an identity

Under 'terminology', the current article revision states:

However, others, such as Buck Angel, reject the label of transgender.

I have a few issues with this. First, it's entirely possible to just leave it at something like this: However, some still prefer the label of transsexual. Bringing up a notable person isn't necessary to illustrate that there are some people who still identify with transsexual. Second, giving a notable person as an example of this identity in the midst of explaining it singles them out as some sort of 'representative', when no such thing exists. Cadenrock1 (talk) 04:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unattributed statements like "some still think X" are considered weasel words; see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Unsupported attributions and Template:Who. Nobody is claiming Buck Angel is a "representative", merely an example of someone with a dissenting view. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 09:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per your own link:

The examples above are not automatically weasel words (...) Likewise, views that are properly attributed to a reliable source may use similar expressions, if those expressions accurately represent the opinions of the source.

The proposed alternative accurately represents the findings of source 4 ("While some transsexual people still prefer to use the term to describe themselves, many transgender people prefer the term transgender to transsexual.") and source 5 ("The term 'transgender' is a word employed by activists to encompass as many groups of gender diverse people as possible. However, many of these groups individually don't identify with the term.").

This section shouldn't even include an example of a "dissenting view". It discusses how many trans people prefer the labels transgender or trans. If we want to adequately explain the subsection of people who identify with transsexual, we should not lead with a transsexual person's non-sweeping opinion about the label of transgender. Not everyone who is transsexual "rejects" the label of transgender. Even if there are a notable enough group of transsexual-aligned people who do, the article shouldn't lead with this when explaining a label. Cadenrock1 (talk) 17:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Transmasculine" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Transmasculine has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 15 § Transfem until a consensus is reached. --MikutoH ^talk! 02:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a mention of film representations of trans men showing people binding with tape or cloth without mentioning that this is a harmful practice and is condemned in the community. So, more mentions of safe binding practices. Also, I believe it would be good where there is mention of trans men in gay communities and acceptance of gay men to mention Gottmik's runs on rupaul's drag race, and how grindr had him on their talk show and had the drag queen Katya interviewing him. The section on discrimination against trans men linking to another page seems like a bad idea, in addition to the page seeming to have a multitude of problems. Abigail Shryer's book Irreversible Damage and the impact it had on the people mentioned and used in the book against their will, such as Ty Turner and Ash Hardell, along with J.K. Rowlings transphobia, and the BBC's support of jk rowlings transphobia and then apparent back tracking without taking responsibility should be mentioned. Maybe not in so many words. Simply: The BBC were going to give her the Russel Brand award for the article, which was sighted by politicians when making bills against trans male rights. The paper has now been removed, without any apologies from the BBC." Something like that. Also, an explanation of the ableism involved in discrimination against trans men would be good. Since there are so many trans AFAB people who are also trans men. Also, the addition of Buck angel when he's said so many horrible things about people who choose not to medically transition, without including his own discriminatory comments is disingenuous. He also has a youtube channel where he routinely bullies non binary children. A mention of Kalvin Garrah and perhaps Arielle Scarcella. So, maybe a section on transphobia within the community, or a brief discussion of it. Not just the LGBTQ community at large, but also all of the infighting about "tru-scum," trans medicalism and Trans exclusionary radical feminists. In the most objective way possible. Also, a mention of trans drag kings might be relevant when talking about the lesbian and butch identities section. A section of Trans male activists like Jammy dodger aka Jamie Raines would be great. Possibly a list of books written by trans men would be good? Including Gottmik and Gigi gorgeous' book The T guide. When mentioning trans men dating trans men, I think perhaps a line or two on trans men dating trans women, aka the t4t movement or, dating pool I guess, would be good. Also, a section on trans male musicians would be great. The two off of the top of my head are Noah Finnce and Billy Tipton. A section on historical trans men would be great, such as the first trans man to take hormone therapy, Michael Dillon. Or stuff about Billy Tipton's posthumous outing, or Willmer Broadnax who was also outed posthumously. Basically, I would love the ability to edit this page. If that's not possible, I'm willing to clean up all of my suggestions and post them in a bunch of separate posts for different sections. Thanks! 216.171.60.21 (talk) 02:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, I meant since there are so many trans men who are autistic

I do have a wikipedia account now, its Ratifriedfoodforthought 216.171.60.21 (talk) 02:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Extended confirmed rights are not manually given to users unless they have a a legitimate alternative account with EC rights. (and rights can't be given to IPs due to technical limitations) Also, if you want to suggest a edit request, you need to mention it in the format "please change X to Y", because otherwise we don't know what to change. Replicative Cloverleaf (talk) 13:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]