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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

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Moved, 1 May 2006, from Ronaldo Luís Nazário de Lima to Ronaldo, see discussion.
No consensus, 10 April 2008, from Ronaldo, see discussion.
Moved, 26 November 2016, from Ronaldo to Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer), see discussion.
Not moved, 29 April 2023, from Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer) to Ronaldo, see discussion.

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@Nampa DC: and @Hippo43:, you have both been around here long enough to know that edit-warring is not okay. Please discuss your disagreements here and not in edit summaries. Robby.is.on (talk) 23:34, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life: racial self-identification

Perhaps we should include the full context of Ronaldo's remarks? He was condemning racism; according to our sources, he said "Acho que todos os negros sofrem. Eu, que sou branco, sofro com tamanha ignorância" (I believe all black people suffer [from racism]. I, as a white person, suffer from seeing such ignorance.") Of course, from a US-centered perspective, his remarks may seem odder than in Brazil, but if he had said the magical (English) words "white-passing", people would not have thought it strange (except in so far as he is not that range in the US, though he arguably is in Brazil). Feketekave (talk) 19:18, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 29 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is no evidence of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There are several entries on the existing page Ronaldo. A simple google search of the name returns results for Cristiano Ronaldo, one of the individuals listed on the page. Claiming WP:PRIMARYTOPIC just because you "think" something is the ptopic without any evidence to support it is not a reason to request a move. Hence, I am speedy closing this RM as no evidence was provided to support the move request. (non-admin closure) Estar8806 (talk) 17:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer) → Ronaldo – I think the Brazilian footballer is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. If he isn't, you all should vote Speedy close. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 28 July 2023

It has been proposed in this section that Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer) be renamed and moved to Ronaldo (footballer, born 1976).

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Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer) → Ronaldo (footballer, born 1976) – Incomplete disambiguation. There are many other Brazilian footballers named Ronaldo on Wikipedia, such as Ronaldo (footballer, born October 1996), Ronaldo (footballer, born August 1996), Ronaldo (footballer, born 1991), Ronaldo (footballer, born 1980), Ronaldo (footballer, born 1990) ... 162 etc. (talk) 00:48, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely to be changed. The article, initially just named Ronaldo, was changed to Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer) to differentiate him from the Portuguese footballer (Cristiano Ronaldo), hence why you will hear, "Ronaldo, the Brazilian one", when people are talking of this one rather than Cristiano. When people click on this page they are specifically looking for this Ronaldo (ie. the Brazilian one rather than the Portuguese). The other, much much lesser known players named Ronaldo from Brazil (four article stubs and the other not much more than that), are listed in the disambiguation page in the hatnote. We always go for most familiarity for article titles (hence why other singers (or people) named Michael Jackson are listed in the dab page, while the most famous one is just Michael Jackson). Nampa DC (talk) 09:52, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly. Please see WP:PDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 14:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move. This is a PDAB situation, despite technically having multiple qualifiers. O.N.R. ^(talk) 18:15, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, this Ronaldo is the PDAB for Brazilian footballer.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per page views analysis: this (Brazillian footballer) is credited with over 99% of all page views over the latest 20 days over 8 others.[1]. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 20:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 15:13, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as above - clearly the most notable Brazilian footballer called Ronaldo (and also, for some of us of a certain age, the most famous footballer called Ronaldo full stop). Giant Snowman 15:16, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. The fact "Ronaldo" needs to be disambiguated with not just one word but two shows the article has no reason not to conform to the standard disambiguation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the fact that Ronaldo would not be appropriate, but that in terms of disambiguation for football biographies, we first go to nationality over birth, and that this Ronaldo is the most notably Brazilian one. Often referred to as Brazilian Ronaldo as well. This page name makes sense for practicality and common name purposes. Also, most importantly, I cite WP:PDAB. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:48, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- No we don't. For footballers, we go with year of birth over nationality almost every time. Have done for years. WP:INCDAB states that the threshold for a primary topic in a disambiguated title is very high. The fact he's not even the primary topic for a footballer called Ronaldo, even less for the name Ronaldo alone, shows that he does not meet this threshold. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- What do you mean "no we don't"? Yes we do! Nationality is almost always a more practical disambiguator than birth year; when we can, we disambiguate by nationality. And Ronaldo per PDAB is the most notably Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer), this is a specific scenario. Keeping him at the current name is helpful for editors and viewers. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:08, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. He's often referred to as the Brazilian Ronaldo, matching the article title, and given article traffic he is the topic highly likely sought by a reader over his little known compatriots who share the name. There is zero confusion with the title, altering it with a date would only add confusion. Unfortunately Cristiano Ronaldo forced the well known qualifier (Brazilian) by those too young to have seen the original Ronaldo. Messi R9 R10 CR7 Thiago LFC (talk) 13:37, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]