Talk:Age of Revolution

I believe the article should have a sidebar, infobox, taxobox, or whatever they are called---like along the bottom of the page---showing what era or age in history came immediately before and immediately after the "Age of Revolution". Also, I was wondering: why not also include the several attempted revolutions that occurred in Europe during the 1840s? Shanoman (talk) 19:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A few ideas

I've got a couple of thoughts on this topic. The A of R is generally considered a Western phenomenon, so I'm not sure talking about Asia really fits. Particularly given that, as indicated, governmental changes in Asia during the period were less about revolution and more about globalization and Western intervention. Perhaps the Asian topics should have their own page, but I don't know what that would be. It just feels like a round peg in a square hole here.

Along the same lines, I'm not sure about the need to have a preceding and following historical era. There aren't any eras that flow naturally in and out of those dates (1775-1848), as even pre-modern and modern European history divide at the French Revolution (1789) in most things I've read. I don't know that saying the A of R was followed by "contemporary history" adds much meaning, as that latter category is so vague. Maybe the A of R should be viewed as a subtopic of European Expansion/Colonization that lasted from 1492 through the 1960s. Under that broader umbrella, it would be easier to talk about everything from the Boxer Rebellion to the Vietnam War, as well as India and parts of Africa that tossed off colonialism in the 20th century.

Last thought--the Texas Revolution (1836) should be considered a candidate for inclusion in the article, but I'll let some non-Texans weigh in on that. Mkeyworth (talk) 19:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll concede that Age of Revolution is definitely a more Western period, and the material you mentioned was work I wrote that technically bordered on original research. I've removed the irrelevant material (as well as *most* of the preceding/succeeding material) and it should not be returned unless a verified source that declares the material appropriate is found. I really had just been trying to fit (or I suppose force) this period into a larger periodization frame, and that was foolish of me. Thank you for stopping me from going through with that (even though it took so long for me to rectify this). — InvaderCito (talk) 04:31, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Major Revision Underway

This article needs some critical expansion. I have started the process by adding a few of the key revolutions. The text in some sections are copies from the main article. I will edit and enhance each section going forward. I intend on getting into far more detail.

• Background (Enlightenment, Roots of the Industrial Revolution, etc.) What else should I add here?
• American Revolution (what caused it, the war itself, its impact)
• French Revolution (What caused it, the war itself, its impact)
• Haitian revolution (add a bit about slave rebellions breaking out all over, the details of teh Haitian revolt, its effects)
• Spanish American wars of independence
• Revolutions of 1830 (Need to add this section)
• Texas Revolution (needs to be added somewhere, not sure of an independent section or part of the Spanish American revolutions)
• Effects

Need to add tons of citations and references.

I welcome all input, suggestions, etc. PurpleMonarch (talk) 04:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

What about the Russian revolution?

Wasn't the Russian revolution an extension of the age of revolutions as it spread eastward? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:4080:5960:A111:989E:DAC2:6183 (talk) 17:37, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Poland?

What about Poland's struggles for independence? Besides the 1830 Uprising, there were plenty of revolutionary events in the 1790s. You might also make reference to the Decembrists in Russia (1825). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.167.92.26 (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Merge with Atlantic Revolutions

The article Atlantic Revolutions should be merged into this one. It is almost the same thing, perhaps just a variation of the name. T8612 (talk) 19:03, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Pictures of Irish and Haitian rebels

I removed the pictures of the Irish and Haitian rebels for these reasons: Of all the hundreds of pics existing for those revolutions, we should not choose the ones depicting the rebels as murderers of helpless women and children. Furthermore, for the "Haiti Revolution" pic, I couldn't find any source searching with Google. After writing my first edit summary, I saw there is indeed a source given on Commons, but that source is an obscure website, not an academic one. So, we don't even know whether the picture wants to depict the Haitian Revolution or - maybe - a scene from Star Wars. --Rsk6400 (talk) 12:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I will find other pics. I just thought you were wanting to remove them without good reason. Sorry. 2601:940:C000:4CD0:A53C:7B77:8081:5CBA (talk) 00:17, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

French Revolution: King's weakened position and Bourgeoisie maybe should be deleted?

Just reading through this, these two sections are just written kinda poor and just don't flow or sound very good ie

"It was also a question of numbers. The population of nobles versus that of the rest of France wildly disparate: nobles = .4-1.5% out of total population of ca. 28 million. "

and

"Part of this ambition was to enter a political scene that was always locked behind a door to which only the monarchy, clergy, and nobility had the keys."

Both sections probably need to be rewritten, but also they could just be deleted? I don't think they add alot to the article, and the section links to the French Revolution anyway.

Just a thought 203.15.37.218 (talk) 03:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Haitian Revolution

I question the premise of the article on the Haitian Revolution that it ended slavery in 1803. Slavery was ended in 1794 by a decree of the French government and was never reinstated. Those who say that the French attempted to reinstate it in 1802 when Leclerc brought a French Army there are completely wrong and need to go back to make sure they have grasped the facts. 174.58.100.83 (talk) 11:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Here's a letter authored by Leclerc on 6 August 1802, addressed directly to Napoleon:

“ I had asked you, citizen consul, to do nothing that might make [the blacks] fear for their freedom until I was ready, and I was making rapid progress toward that moment. All of a sudden there arrived the decree that legalizes the colonial slave trade along with letters from merchants in Nantes and Le Havre asking whether they can sell blacks here. Worse still, General Richepanse has just issued an order re-establishing slavery in Guadeloupe…

Now that your plans for the colonies are known to everyone, citizen consul, if you want to keep Saint Domingue, send a new army here, and especially send money. I am telling you that, if you abandon us to our own devices as you have done up to now, this colony is lost, and once lost, you will never get it back.

My letter will surprise you, citizen consul, after those I have written to you, but is there a general who could have reckoned with an 80 percent death rate in his army and with the survivors being useless, who has been left without money like me in a country where nothing is bought except with hard cash, and where, with money, I could have eliminated many obstacles?

”

Oh dear! Remsense诉 12:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Reopening merge with Atlantic Revolutions disc.

Building off the original merge discussion, no sources have been provided to establish that "Atlantic Revolutions" constitutes a distinct period or concept separate from the broader "Age of Revolution" term. While some sources I found on Google Books and Google Scholar explicitly outline the years they think encompass the Atlantic Revolutions, these dates vary (the selection of 1838 in the Wiki article seems to be unsourced an arbitrary), and more importantly, none of them clearly indicate that the term refers to a distinct phenomenon apart from the Age of Revolutions. On the contrary, they all appear to use the term synonymously with the Age of Revolution.

Addressing concerns raised in the previous discussion at Talk:Atlantic Revolutions#Merge to Age of Revolution, I'd argue that the overall meaning the choice of wording while poor, is still irrelevant in terms of its use case, with "Atlantic Revolutions" seemingly only being used as a synonym for "Age of Revolutions" in sources I've seen. As its sourced uses is largely synonymous/an alternate term for Age of Revolution, it should simply be a redirect for that term (instead of this current arrangement of the Atlantic Revolution article just being a trimmed down redundancy of this article). Leventio (talk) 07:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)