Talk:Air India fleet

Removal of Historic+Retired fleet

Marked as missing refs since 2008. There is a ref for exactly one of the planes listed. Does anyone have sources, or should these sections be removed? Lumialover (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Add Air India A321neo and A350-900 orders

Please add Air India A321neo and A350-900 orders RayAdvait (talk) 13:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Options for Airbus deal

The Air India deal with Boeing and Airbus includes 370 options out of which 70 options are for Boeing. The remaining 300 options must then be Airbus. Does anyone know the composition of these options? Someone added that there are 10 options for A350-1000. Do they have a source for it? Arnav Bhate (talk) 09:24, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

References

First 6 Airbus A350-900 aircraft

Can someone please add the fact that the first 6 Airbus A350-900s were initially Aeroflot aircraft and have Aeroflot seating configurations?

Will Air India stick with the Aeroflot interiors or will they order their own interiors for their own ordered aircraft?

Thanks! GalacticOrbits (talk) 08:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources for this? - ZLEA _T\^C 15:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The planespotters source in the article also states that the six A350s are Aeroflot planes that were not taken up. Another source is this. Arnav Bhate (talk) 06:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

We should be moving away from using Planespotters as a source. Per the WP:PLANESPOTTERS discussion, Planespotters is a user-generated source and therefore unreliable. As far as I am aware, Mint and One Mile at a Time are not unreliable, but WP:SIMPLEFLYING listed below is considered generally unreliable. Furthermore, comparing the seating arrangements on the Air India and Aeroflot websites to support the claim that Air India did not change the interiors would be WP:OR. - ZLEA _T\^C 14:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

It's well known across the industry too: [1], [2]

Plus, if you compare the seat map of the Air India A350 on their website: [3] and the one at Aeroflot: [4], the number of seats along with the seat configuration is identical.

Thanks! GalacticOrbits (talk) 17:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I understand your concerns, I was only backing up my sources in case you may have felt they were unreliable, however, these facts are NOT WP:OR as they are backed up by apropriate sources and if you have been following aviation news elsewhere, its very well known across the media that the first 6 frames were initially intended for Aeroflot and now are for Air India. [5], [6]. Please add this claim!

Thanks! GalacticOrbits (talk) 11:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Noone is disputing the facts. The article can be edited by anyone. You can add the fact too. But include a reliable source. Simpleflying is not considered to be a reliable source. A good source would be the mint article that I linked. Arnav Bhate (talk) 05:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Leased aircraft dispute

Arnav Bhate VenFlyer98 I suggest that you two discuss your dispute here instead of edit warring. You might also seek more opinions from WP:WikiProject Aviation if your can't come to an agreement on your own. - ZLEA _T\^C 07:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:ALFC says "Orders are for new aircraft only, other aircraft to be acquired second-hand or leased should be mentioned in the Notes." All leased aircraft are to be in notes. Not just wet-leased aircraft. In fact, wet-leased aircraft are not to be included at all according to "Please do not include wet-leased aircraft." So it is further clear that dry-leased aircraft that are yet to be delivered are to be included in notes and not in orders. Arnav Bhate (talk) 09:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Just put it in the actual notes column instead of a hidden note on the order number. VenFlyer98 (talk) 06:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That is fine with me. Arnav Bhate (talk) 10:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Leased Singapore 777

The sources no longer show that the following airframes 9V-SWD, SWE, and SWF are being ordered for lease by Air India. It is old news from last year that Air India was going to lease them. They used to show up in sources like Planespotters and Airfleets that they were still in order as "VT-"'s but now for some reason they're gone, showing up the latest statuses as their original Singapore Airlines airframes in storage only. If the airline Air India is still considering to lease Singapore's 777-300ER, provide me a reliable source that is UP-TO-DATE showing that the airframes are still on order. NOT A SOURCE FROM 2023! I don't fucking understand why Arnav Bhate keeps undoing all my edits when it is not clear to the present whether Air India is still ordering those planes or not. Once again, if AI is still considering those airframes in the present and still on order, PROVIDE ME THE FUCKING SOURCE or else if it's not sure, leave it blank. 2601:644:8F81:9CD0:39F9:1FDC:9827:C3E7 (talk) 19:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I've restored your deletion of the sourced content and clarified in the text that the information was from July 2023. Hopefully this prevents any confusion that could arise. I suggest that you calm down and have a civil discussion with Arnav Bhate instead of throwing around choice words when you disagree with his actions. - ZLEA _T\^C 19:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Please give a source that the lease has been cancelled. From your message, it is apparent that you have at least one. Arnav Bhate (talk) 13:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Also note that sources such as Planespotters are user generated, meaning that they are unreliable. - ZLEA _T\^C 14:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

This is where it gets a bit strange. There is no proof that the lease was signed. That article by a "reputed journalist" only mentioned that AI "will lease" the planes. Now, how in the world does one get a public source that says the non-existent lease is "cancelled"? Trinidade (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I've removed a personal attack made by User:Changi001. If such behavior continues, I will not hesitate to bring it to WP:ANI. - ZLEA _T\^C 03:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

ET is not the only website that published an article that AI will lease those planes, but all sources I found are from July 2023. I was asking for the source since the IP said they had a source. I think the status quo is fine. We can remove it if the lease doesn't materialise some time in the future, say one year from when the article was published. Arnav Bhate (talk) 08:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Here are some sources to prove that guy right and you wrong. They are NOT mentioning singapore airlines 777 order to the present day. It is relatively recent.

if you are not sure and present sources do not indicate this. It is best NOT to mention it, unless there is a new present source saying so.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2024/5/9/after-years-of-decline-air-india-is-betting-millions-on-a-comeback

https://simpleflying.com/fleet-of-air-india-in-2024/ PokeGirlMay (talk) 17:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

PokeGirlMay First of all, Simple Flying is not a reliable source. Second, that's not how WP:Verifiability works. Unless sources directly address the fate of the orders, then we should not speculate based on the absence of such information. Such speculation would be original research, and cannot be used to remove reliably sourced content. - ZLEA _T\^C 18:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I talked with Planespotters and I am forwarding the transcript conversation. (Personal attack removed)

here is the conversation:

We removed the information because it was false and inaccurate. PokeGirlMay (talk) 19:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Neil Naidu 18. Jun 2024 18:01 Air India is leasing 3x Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-312ER (SWD, SWE, SWF). According to multiple sources. Why tf has it been deleted, somebody needs to explain the source that they canceled the order, or else the orders need to show up. There is clearly no source that explains that Air India canceled the Singapore Airlines 777 leases. Planespotters.net | JRC Aviation 18. Jun 2024 18:25 Rudeness will not be tolerated and we do not need to explain to anyone our sources. Consider how you write things in the future otherwise you will have the privilege removed. PokeGirlMay (talk) 19:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I've removed a personal attack from the above comment. Given the similar behavior and other evidence, I strongly suspect that PokeGirlMay is a sockpuppet of Changi001 and will be opening an SPI shortly. - ZLEA _T\^C 19:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I swear i am not a Sockpuppet of that guy! I seriously don't know who the heck Changi001 is! PokeGirlMay (talk) 23:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Of course you don't. Anyway, it's up to the admins now. - ZLEA _T\^C 00:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I asked Planespotters why the Singapore Airlines leased 777 are not there anymore, and they said i am being rude and they don't have to show me the sources. Planespotters said that the information is false. And they blocked my account. What can we do about it? Since Planespotter professionals deleted the order for a hidden reason and they want to keep their sources of information private, can we delete the information since it is unsure and the orders are not showing up in any present sources? (Its not showing up in any database since the past 4-5 months. 2601:644:8F81:9CD0:E506:6EBE:6331:484F (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

What Planespotters does is of no concern to us. Planespotters is an unreliable source, and we should be replacing the existing Planespotters sources on Wikipedia articles rather than rudely demanding reasons for their removal of information ("Why tf has it been deleted?" isn't exactly the most polite way to ask for sources). - ZLEA _T\^C 21:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, this issue and removal is not just on Planespotters, but also on other sources like Airfleets. The proffesionals are rudely hiding their sources of information and claiming that the information of Air India's lease orders are "false and accurate." They are still showing A320s and A350s on order, and none of the sources listed publicly are showing the Singapore 777. Is there anything you guys can do about it, like trying to talk to even more reliable and professional sources to update the table? Or find a better way to demand those horrible and unreliable sources for reasons? 2601:644:8F81:9CD0:E8F6:97D2:A95A:11B5 (talk) 14:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Now you're seeing why certain sources are considered unreliable. I also doubt they're hiding anything, they probably just don't want to deal with your demands. Rudely demanding for sources is not going to encourage anyone to provide them. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)