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'Aix possesses many beautiful fountains, one of which in the Cours Mirabeau is surmounted by a statue of le bon Roi René, count of Provence, who held a brilliant court in Aix in the 15th century.'

Then two paragraphs later...

'King René's Fountain, built in the 19th century, of Roi René holding a bunch of Muscat grapes, which he introduced into Provence'

Can we please lose this duplication?

Rednaxela 16:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it. Delete one, or (better) merge them.--Nantonos 17:57, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stephane Lissner has left the festival to run La Scala in Milan. I'm not sure who's taken over the festival management.

Population

I have varying figures for Aix's population. [1] or [2] For this reason the citation tag must stay. Removal without valid reference will constitute vandalism. Michellecrisp (talk) 15:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, just for the record, no, removing a cite tag is not vandalism. It might be disruptive, it might be misguided, but it's not vandalism. See WP:VANDAL. --El on ka 11:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Economy

Would be good to have some references to back up the economy section. Consistent with other articles surely the most prominent industries should be listed. Is chocolate really a big industry in Aix? Michellecrisp (talk) 04:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Michelle: it is quite regrettable that you seem to be unaware, even possibly after having searched on the web, of the famous chocolate of Puyricard, sold all over France. This is not a forum for those unfamiliar with France to increase their non-existent knowledge. Please stick to Australian articles in future. Your ignorance is embarrassing. Mathsci (talk) 19:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

still displaying WP:OWN#EVENTS and now WP:NPA. I did a websearch but it still does not prove notability of the chocolate to Aix's economy. Michellecrisp (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For best results, please try to focus talkpage discussions on the article, and not on the editors. --El on ka 11:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's also quite helpful to use books, rather than information from websites or google. These are often not reliable sources. Mathsci (talk) 12:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, with all due respect, it depends how you use Google. The regular search these days tends to do little else than take one to Wikipedia mirrors and fansites, though there are some notable exceptions. However, http://books.google.com and http://scholar.google.com are wonderful resources, especially if one has access to a JSTOR database. Google Books also has a good likelihood of providing actual page scans in its database, and if it doesn't, the "find this book in a library" feature which links to worldcat is superb. I've lost track of the number of books that I've looked up that way, where all I have to do is enter my zip code, and it'll tell me not only where is the closest library that has a book, but also in most cases whether or not it's checked out, and for how long! :) --El on ka 12:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Google books (not google) can be a good substitute for a library, although pages can be missing. An active account on www.amazon.com can also give better access to a lot of books. And of course those of us with university accounts can use all sorts of databases. However, for books on local French history, usually in French, google books and amazon.fr are not very helpful. However, many old manuscripts from the nineteenth century and before have been scanned and are available on google books. For example the old aqueduc de l'Huveaune which used to enter Marseille at the Porte d'Aix is described in such a document, cited in that article here. Mathsci (talk) 12:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is the JSTOR you are referring to the same as that used to provide a reference here? Mathsci (talk) 17:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it, though a better link would probably be this one.[3] --El on ka 17:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chocolate isn't a big industry in Aix, Chocolat de Puyricard don't have many shops in the town, and they are based in Puyricard, which is 10 km north of Aix.. Note that chocolates of puyricard are now industrial, and contain lecithin. 41.225.146.107 (talk) 18:42, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One Sheet Foldable City Guide

This tourist blurb, issued by the Tourist Office in Aix, is inappropriate for use as a primary source of facts for WP, only as a possible double check. It contains only a very limited amount of information. Far more accurate and scholarly information can be found -in the French language - on the web site of the city of Aix (including detailed information about archeological sites, currently under excavation). Or for that matter in published books. Mathsci (talk) 07:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First Impressions

The first sentence of this article is convoluted and unnecessarily difficult to decipher. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.66.156 (talk) 04:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mayor date question.

The curent Mayor has been elected in 2001 and elected again in 2008 until 2014 if nothing special happen. Should we put Mayor 2001-2014 or keep 2008-2014 ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killy-the-frog (talk • contribs) 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

pronunciation

Anyone know the diff tween the [ajs] and [zaj] pronunciations? kwami (talk) 11:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

zaj ?? The only pronounciation you will ever hear is [ɛks]. 88.160.146.82 (talk) 19:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. They recently added an explanation of the [zaj] pronunciation on Occitan WP. — kwami (talk) 08:12, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Something fun

Some women used to live place d'Albertas and in the nearest part of Rue Espariat. What was their job ? (You might find help with the following picture and looking at the first floor's windows' railing. http:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Place-Albertas-Aix.jpg ) An Aix's resident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.203.154.141 (talk) 16:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image gallery

The image gallery was carefully selected to give a good impression of Aix and its immediate surroundings (Jas de Bouffan). Some of the images were specially uploaded for this purpose from flickr. The gallery has been in its present form since 2007. However, because the copyright status of some images are only now being verified, one flickr image (Pavillon de Vendome) had to be replaced very recently. To blank the larger proportion of the gallery as a consequence without discussion after four years consensus seems unhelpful. During the period 2007-2011, there have several related new constructions in Aix, in particular the Grand Theatre de Provence, the Pavillon Noir, the Allees Provencales and the Pasino. An image of the Grand Theatre should probably be included somewhere in the article as it is now one of the major modern buildings in Aix. Other changes in the near future are (a) new premises for the conservatoire next door to the Pavillon Noir and (b) the permanent installation of the collection "Jean Planque" [4] [5] [6] in an annex of the Musee Granet (the chapelle des Pénitents Blancs, currently being redeveloped). Mathsci (talk) 07:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Translating street names

The picture caption Espariat Street doesn't look right to me. We should replace this with the original rue Espariat Anyone object? Andrew Hennigan 08:27, 26 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewhennigan (talk • contribs)

I agree. Looking at the picture more carefully it seems to be fairly recent. It might be better to have a picture of a Roman mosaic (such as the ones from villas in Aquae Sextiae that used to be in the Musee Granet) or the picture on Commons taken by Henry Ely of the parade in the 1921 Carnaval d'Aix. (Henry Ely is one of the most famous photographers from Aix and is grandfather of Bruno Ely, the current director of the Musee Granet.) Mathsci (talk) 08:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good point! I objected to the translated street name in the caption but since the picture illustrates the history subsection a 2004 photo of present day Aix is not ideal. Andrew Hennigan 14:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Fixed the rue Espariat caption now. --Andrew Hennigan 19:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewhennigan (talk • contribs)

Origin of the name 'Aix'

Contrary to a number of comments here and elsewhere, 'Aix' is not derived from the Roman (misnamed 'Latin') word for 'water' (aqua). It is from a far more distant source, somewhere between proto-European and Celtic - thus pre-dating by perhaps half a millennium the foundation of Rome.

The name 'aix' should be understood to comprise a pronunciation for the 'x' that now remains only in Portuguese, in which it has a sound very close to 'sh' as in 'shush'. (In fact, in Brazil, cheeseburgers are advertised as 'Xis', for the English word 'cheese'.) In Ireland, there is a town in the north presently named 'Assaroe' in English , which derives from the old Irish 'eas Aodh Rua', meaning 'the cascade of Red Hugh'. This naming is dated by Keating to around 1400BC.

The continental and insular p-Celtic and the earlier Irish q-Celtic had many differences, but the words for very primal things tended to remain very close - names for fire, water, rivers and other physical features. The Old Irish 'eas' is the same as the old p-Celtic Gaulish 'aix' - a cascade, waterfall or similar.

It would shed a useful illumination of early Celtic migration sources if we could identify places in the near east, Turkey, Syria, Greece, the coasts of the Black and Caspian Seas and also north and western Spain and Portugal which have place-names comprising a similar sound to 'eas' or 'aix'.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Swimtwobirds (talk • contribs) 05:48, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Flag icons - international relations & twinning arrangements

Since there are flag icons for the partner city of Philadelphia, as well as other major American cities, such as Boston, Chicago and Los Angeles, I have restored the flag icons in this article. Neither wikipedia policy nor current consensus on WikiProject Cities supports the unilateral edits made by John. It has been common practice for a long period (8 years or more) to accompany bare lists of sister cities/international relations with flag icons if desired. This is in accordance with WP:MOSICON. John has written elsewhere that the use of flag icons is to the detriment of the project. Unsurprisingly very few people have so far agreed with him. It is hardly a burning issue and I am surprised that John appears to be making it so. As far as discussions go, instead of discussing the use of flag icons in all city articles, John started a discussion on WikiProject Cities solely concerning US cities. That was a direct result of discussions with me on User talk:John, where I mentioned the cities above (amongst others). Wikipedia does not differentiate between cities in the USA and cities in the rest of the world. I started a discussion concerning this issue for all cities on WikiProject Cities. John has made multiple edits to articles on cities in Germany and France, removing flag icons.[7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34] He has not done so on any articles about American cities. Mathsci (talk) 08:20, 8 September 2012 (UTC) (slightly redacted)[reply]

The twin towns section needs proper sourcing; if proper third-party sources cannot be found, it probably should be removed.--John (talk) 10:26, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- John, the two sources refer to the offical twinning association (aix-jumelages) and to the Mairie of Aix-en-Provence, the official site of the city of Aix-en-Provence. The information there is up-to-date and correct. The information is not contentious and I have no reason to believe that the information on the official web site of Aix-en-Provence is incorrect. Where would you expect to find the information? Your editing seems to be becoming very disruptive at the moment, so please could you stop? Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 10:33, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - If proper third-party sources cannot be found, it probably should be removed. Primary sourcing, as you probably know, isn't the best in terms of verifiability. --John (talk) 10:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - First of all please don't use French in your edit summaries. (I am British.) The city of Aix-en-Provence runs the twinning arrangements so their website is the most reliable place for that information. The twinning organization aix-jumelages seems to work out fine detail (for example the coordinate visits from twin towns such as Bath and Tübingen). So the sources are not blogs, but official websites of the reponsible organizations. I would assume the same types of sources are used in the case of almost all citie in the world. If you have doubts then why not ask whether these two sources are reliable at WP:RSN? At the moment I don't understand your objections. I can't see that there would any benefit in blanking the material, given the official nature of the two sources and the similar type of sourcing for all information of this type over thousands of articles on wikipedia. I known that Roger Davies is also an expert on this part of the world. So you could ask his advice I suppose. Mathsci (talk) 11:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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==As of September 13, 2008==

From what I see here, Aix is a well-built article. However, I see numerous problems with it.

Here's what I think:

It seems to ignore the Manual of Style in numerous places (for example, how the Music festivals are introduced)

It contains elements that conflict with the neutral point of view rule ("bordered by fine houses" in the Main sights section, "the well known Chocolaterie de Puyricard..." in the Economy section, not an exhaustive list)

The article is made up of countless (and kind of intimidating, to be honest) lists of notable people who lived and were born in the city, and of schools and educational institutions. This could be broken down into a great deal of prose.

There shouldn't be a Miscellaneous section per the Wikipedian trivia rule. This can be broken down and incorporated into other sections.

The History section needs to be expanded. Aix has a long and colorful history, but it cannot be represented completely in nine sentences. Remember, citations are completely totally really really necessary.

Speaking of which, the whole article could use a good deal of extra inline citations. One cannot support such an article on twenty-nine insufficiently described articles.

The Gallery is not necessary, and can be removed. Photos currently in the gallery can be redistributed into the article once more text has been added.

I rated this article Mid-importance, because it was a significant city during the Middle Ages and served as a medieval capital, although it was by no means powerful.

--Starstriker7(^{Say hi}_{or see my works}) 05:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Emile Zola

I found it strange that no mention is made of Emile Zola's Rougon-Macquart cycle, much of which centers on the fictitious city of Plassans, the name chosen by Zola for Aix-en-Provence, where he grew up.83.250.76.132 (talk) 20:25, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(1 mi)

That is disturbing we have more then 1 person in Military Intelligene. How artificial is intelligence getting to override human intelligence? Placing AIX system in jeapardy. 199.30.127.207 (talk) 14:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]