Talk:Battle of Oltenița

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Stub

I've expanded the article a bit, so I've removed the Stub tags; but if anyone thinks it's still stubby, feel free to put them back. Xyl 54 (talk) 15:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography

‘A Personal Narrative’ written by G. Rhodes is hardly an authoritative source, given that it is biased and that its estimates regarding the battle are based on ‘personal notation’ and suggestions, as the author himself made evident on the page cited. It is clearly not in line with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view; dubious figures and prejudiced opinions must not be included into the article. Dolchstoß (talk) 23:45, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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"both sides claiming victory"

Now the Lead claims: "The battle was indecisive, with both sides claiming victory." In fact, I did not see the Russian side talking about its undoubted victory. Now there is a link to Orlando's book (Orlando Figes. The Crimean War: A History. Metropolitan Books. 2011. P. 131.) and he, in turn, refers to the memoirs in the magazine "Russian Antiquity" (Russkaia starina). I looked at the page indicated - there is nothing about the "victory", only a mention of "the fight that was near Oltenitsa" and that their military unit was transferred to Oltenitsa after this fight, to reinforce the Russian troops who were already there [1]. In the book of Bogdanovich (Russian historian of the 19th century) I see a detailed investigation into the reasons for the defeat, although the Russians exaggerate the strength of the Turks and their losses to disguise their failure. He sums up: "Our troops did their duty honestly, and that the Turks could not boast of victory; we retreated, and were not repulsed" [2]. Since there is an obvious mistake in Orlando's book, I will remove this statement, especially since the next sentences contain everything that is necessary.--Nicoljaus (talk) 10:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Casualties in infobox

Dushnilkin, you have recently added casualty figures to the infobox using Russian language sources which cannot be viewed online (eg here). This creates a number of issues. Firstly, there is now an inconsistency with the body of the article because the article prose was not amended to reflect the addition. Per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the infobox is for a summary of key facts from the article. It is not the place for multiple figures from multiple sources, which is detail. Such a wide variance cannot cannot be simply summarised as a meaningful range. It is now inappropriate to report the casualty figures in the infobox. I also note that at least one citation lacks page numbers. [WP:ONUS]] applies to these edits. If you wish to retain these figure, please incorporate them into the article prose. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll turn it on, thanks for the comment, but I seem to have indicated pages everywhere, don't I? Dushnilkin (talk) 09:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears I was mistaken about the page numbers (probably something else I was looking at at the same time) - apologies. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]