Talk:Captain America: Brave New World

Tiamut

Just wanted to put this out, but shouldn't Tiamut be mentioned as well? I am sure there are reliable sources for the character. JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 01:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Tiamut is already mentioned multiple times in the article. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Controversy in light of recent genocide in Palestine

I looked over the article and didn't find any reference to the film's significance in light of the genocide in Palestine. Would anyone like to help me get that started? Here's an article from Vox: https://www.vox.com/culture/362488/sabra-marvel-captain-america-israel-palestinepalestine Dudanotak (talk) 06:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

You should read the article again because the controversy is clearly discussed in the production section. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

thanks, found it Dudanotak (talk) 09:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Poster billing block

How do we move forward with the clear changes to story and screenplay writers, as well as cast changes? We should have third party sources, but I think we can make the changes in the lead and infobox, and any article body mentions, tag with {{cn}}? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

My concern is adding new writers, actors, editors etc. when no reliable sources seemed to have picked up on them being credited. If the addition is done properly with a reliable source or cn tags where appropriate then I am all for that. I did look previously and couldn't see any sources but that may have changed. I also don't think we should be including story by credits in the opening paragraph, we don't usually for MCU films. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I concur with Adam's concerns about adding content without a verifiable source. I tried searching for sources yesterday but have still found none. There isn't even a WGA Directory page for this film yet, and we do know Marvel often does put out credits before they are finalized. These additions were recently readded with this Moviefone ref, although that site is similarly structured like IMDb and I'm not sure about its independent reliability. It could suffice for these additions for the time being, but I'm still weary about heavily relying on it in case more reputable sources pick up on these credits. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Favre1fan93, can you clarify what you mean by "third party sources"? Are you saying that even if the official website listed the credits in question, we would not reference that? Or is it more about wanting to find a referenceable link that writes down what the film poster shows? And I understand that Trailblazer101 mentions credits being put out before they are finalized, but is this really a commonplace occurrence in general? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Erik: is it more about wanting to find a referenceable link that writes down what the film poster shows This. Generally (but not always), a reputable trade or other website will report on the poster having been released (along with its associated teaser trailer) and in their articl,e will give the cast credits and writing credits. This has not happened yet with this poster. We would use the film's official website in lieu of a third party source not being available, but it currently does not have the updated credits. The hope is to note in the body of the article about the updated writing credits and actors joining (something like By December 2024, Spellman and Musson were given story credit along side Rob Edwards, while Onah, Peter Glanz, and Orton received screenplay credit. Additionally, Johannes Haukur Jóhannesson was revealed as part of the cast.) beyond just the lead and infobox. With just the poster, there doesn't feel like a great way to cite that (nor should we cite the poster). Additionally, the credit change and sourcing is needed for Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Five#Films and this film's entry in the overview table. Again, an issue of how we can include a source for this information. I've never seen an article under WP:FILM use a citation that cites a poster. A possible solution I thought would be to change the lead and infobox here, and put that sentence I suggested above in the "Post-production" section, with a {{third-party inline}} tag after it. And we could do the same in the table at the Phase Five article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying! I feel like the film poster is just as acceptable as the official website to reference, even if it's not as direct. It's atypical that the billing-block text has not been overtly transcribed, but could we not reference a reliable poster website that hosts that official image? Or a news article that shared the poster image in high quality, even if it did not write down everything seen in that image? We don't usually reference posters, but I think it's largely because it is usually written down already (especially will have been, by the time this film is released). Essentially a poster-hosting reliable source can be a stopgap measure here that isn't dubious because it's hosting official materials and not likely to host fanmade material. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, after my comment above, I felt citing the IMP Awards link to the poster likely would suffice, as it would provide the highest quality to actually read the billing. {{better source needed}} would still be needed, but it would at least allow the information to be added and cited. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and put the billing info into the article citing the IMP Awards poster for it in prose. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I support this for the time being until (hopefully) a more adequate source becomes available. This is likely our best bet for now. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Tim Blake Nelson & "Redoing a lot of it at the beginning of it" quotation

First time Wikipedia user but I've paid attention to the production of the film on and off for the past 3 years, wanted to point out the quotation of Tim Blake Nelson used in the production section, his phrasing is weird but I don't think he intended to state they reshot a lot of it, only that they reshot a lot of the beginning of the film. Let me know if I'm reading too close or not Crypticdragon22 (talk) 17:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I think there is a typo in the quote which has added some confusion here. The full sentence is: I've actually shot it twice because I did it originally a year ago, and then we came back and redid a lot of it at the beginning of it this summer. If you remove that last "it" I think it is clear that he filmed his scenes once and then "came back and redid a lot of it" at the beginning of Summer 2024. So the current wording in the article aligns with that: He described these as redoing much of his original work (I adjusted this to not suggest that they redid most of the film as he is just referring to his own scenes). - adamstom97 (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

That makes sense, thank you for letting me know Crypticdragon22 (talk) 19:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)