Talk:Deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats

Not sure that this merits its own page. I'm going to try to build its content into List of United Kingdom Liberal Democrat leaders, but I won't delete this page yet. BartBassist (talk) 20:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 12 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats. Consensus that tha current title is the common name. It is to be further moved to the lower caps 'leader' version, as it is found not to be a proper name backed bby third party, reliable and indepedent sources. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 11:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats → Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrat parliamentary party – I beg to move the motion - I am a member of the Lib Dems myself and this is something that has sparked a lot of internal discussion and the conclusion is that the party as a whole does not have a deputy leader as the party president serves as de-facto non-parliamentary deputy to the party leader - however the parliamentary party may elect a deputy leader at the discretion of the party leader, this individual serves as deputy leader of the parliamentary party, not the party as a whole. 82.41.12.175 (talk) 12:56, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, the more important question is this:

• What do reliable, independent, secondary sources say about the name?

Can you please clarify what part of the article title policy supports your move? Also, I recommend reading Wikipedia:Official names.

As for whether I support it or not, I oppose move. It strikes me as being unnecessary, all that is needed is to possibly adjust the article itself (in your case, please make an edit request due to your conflict of interest) to reflect this (deputy leader is not actually the deputy of the entire party, just of the members of parliament), so long as reliable sources can be found to support this. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:09, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mako001: Hi there! Thank you i'm very pleased to here your feedback however I have 2 questions: 1) how is it that I have a 'conflict of interest', 2) Is this a reliable source? I look forward to hearing back from you! 82.41.12.175 (talk) 13:34, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose but do move to Deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats - first of all, a welcome to Wikipedia to the OP, although I did chuckle a bit at the wording above, "I beg to move the motion" - very appropriate parliamentary language, no doubt although we tend to be a bit less formal here . On the main point, however, I would point out that the crucial policy here is WP:COMMONNAME, which urges us to follow independent reliable secondary sourcing when determining titles like this. Looking at the sources I'm seeing [1][2][3] and various others, which simply call this post the deputy leader of the party rather than caveating it with parliamentary party. That said, however, I don't see much evidence from those sources that this is a proper name, and the fact that the title might "officially" be called something else backs that up. Therefore I would definitely decap this to "Deputy leader of..." Finally, on the question of conflict-of-interest, the detail can be found at WP:COI. As a member of the party, especially if you're one who has influence and is directly involved with managing or guiding policy, your point of view when editing the article is likely to be in breach of our policy of being neutral at all times. I'd check the details of the COI page and make sure that any conflict is declared and that you adhere to the advice there. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:27, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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