Talk:Dirty Diana

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Dirty Diana

Sheryl Crow is not the woman (groupie) in the video. It is Lisa Dean.video.Mellotee (talk) 05:32, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious. I read a review about the album and I came across an comment about "the misogynistic 'Dirty Diana'." Do you guys think this song is really misogynistic. If you do, why? If you don't, why not? Elemental5293 (talk) 22:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this song about Diana Ross? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.130.129 (talk) 08:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I asked Tatiana Yvonne on her myspace. She says, "it's neither [me or Crow]. it was just some unknown model used for that" -68.121.165.58 (talk) 02:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who are the two female guitarists in the music video? With the very high sprayed up hair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.72.224 (talk) 17:18, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deadlink

Ref #3 is a deadlink which just went dead a little over a week ago; I couldn't find anything on web.archive.org anything to replace this URL. –MuZemike 23:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 15:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lampman (talk) 12:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The language was pretty poor in places, but I tried to copy-edit the article as much as I could, and it should be acceptable now. There are still some issues that need to be resolved though:

"The songs lyrics pertain to groupies, and has a moderate tempo." - this gives the impression that the two clauses of the sentence are somehow related, which they're really not. It would be better to split it up into two sentences and flesh both of them out a bit; the lead could afford to be a bit longer.

Done Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chart performance: Denmark, Norway and Sweden are mentioned in the text, but not in the table. Is there a reason for this?

Done Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 20:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite sure what's happened there. There's a "Danish Singles Chart" wikilinked to the Norwegian singles chart, and a "Denmark Singles Chart" not linked to anything. I guess the first one is just linked in error, but is there a wikilink to the Danish chart?

Fixed Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 15:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Stevens - can we have a ref for this?

Done Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Calling a song a "filler" is not a "positive review", perhaps you should say something like "though calling it a "filler", she still..."

Done Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"in all of its major territories" - I'm not quite sure what this means

Fixed Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"charted within the top thirty positions on music charts", should this not rather be "on several music charts", or something like that?

""Pepsi" is written in its logo." - again, don't understand

Fixed Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"After showing a black screen, the video starts to show Jackson, who is shown from a distance" - this is an example of poor language; "show" is used three times in quick succession. Try to vary the language a bit.

Done Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 19:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"he would be working on the end of the performance" - unclear exactly what this means.

Done Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"engulfed by curtains ready to perform the next song" - first of all, the curtains will now be performing the song; it needs to be clear what/who the subject of the sentence is. Secondly though, it's not quite clear how being "engulfed by curtains" prepares him for performing the next song, unless he would perform the song behind the curtain. This needs to be rewritten in a more comprehensible manner.

Fixed Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 19:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's up with ref 20? Also, ref 21 isn't working.

Fixed (I reformatted ref 20 and made ref 20 into a tee link) Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there a "Further reading" section? Why isn't Halstead just incorporated in the refs? Does the book contain a lot more info on this specific song?

Fixed Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These should be relatively easy changes to make. I'll give the article a week, let me know if you have any questions, or if you feel the article is ready for another assessment. Lampman (talk) 12:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's one thing I noticed that I didn't see previously: the screenshot File:Dirty Diana Music Video.jpg needs a specific fair use rationale, in addition to the standard template. The rationale is supposed to explain how the image complies with Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. I just did one for the image File:Flu shot.jpg, or you could look at File:Treehouse of Horror IIa.png; a short one like that is normally sufficient. Lampman (talk) 14:12, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 15:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, you didn't add the fair use rationale, and for some reason you removed the Norwegian entry on the table. Lampman (talk) 00:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've re-added the Norwegian singles chart to the chart table and fixed the non-free use for the image of the music video. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 01:11, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Lampman (talk) 02:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

metal?

this. is. not. metal. MasterOfBucket (talk) 21:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Dirty Diana" is also considered a heavy metal ballad, this information has a citation that uses a reliable source (Philadelphia Inquirer). Read the article, it includes this citation [1]

--Newalf (talk) 21:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011

Since Allmusic have changed the syntax of their URLs, 1 link(s) used in the article do not work anymore and can't be migrated automatically. Please use the search option on http://www.allmusic.com to find the new location of the linked Allmusic article(s) and fix the link(s) accordingly, prefereably by using the {{Allmusic}} template. If a new location cannot be found, the link(s) should be removed. This applies to the following external links:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Aoe6cmpe39ffo

--CactusBot (talk) 10:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dangerous World Tour

This Song was planned with Give In To Me,In The Closet,Dangerous,Who Is It and Remember The Time for the Dangerous World Tour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.33.93 (talk) 14:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jangle Pop? Alternative Rock/Metal? Gothic? Darkwave?

What's the deal here? U keep adding genres like gothic metal, darkwave and much more. Do u have the source for these genres. Michael Jackson is the king of pop not ska punk. Why do you add this genres? Neither He nor this song has nothing to do with these genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.13.64 (talk) 06:21, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Does not approve of unfunny shenanigans. Backtable ^{Speak to me}_{concerning my deeds.} 07:18, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

continuation for Jangle Pop? Alternative Rock/Metal? Gothic? Darkwave?

everytime i visit this page, the song has a different genre. at first it was labbeled as hard rock and pop. Now all of the sudden it is labelled as alternative metal, thrash metal, ska punk, jangle pop and something called symphonic/groove. What is this? can't u be a little specific? I bet u'll change it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.4.83 (talk) 09:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please stop this? It probably isn't coincidental that everytime YOU visit the page and post on the talk page, somebody from the same IP address as yours edits the page to your description. This is not funny or even slightly amusing. Changing descriptions to random genres does not improve the page at all. Feel free to contribute positively to Wikipedia, but this type of editing activity is attention-seeking bullcrap. Backtable ^{Speak to me}_{concerning my deeds.} 22:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

G minor vs Bb Major

SYnthwave.94 keeps changing the key of the song to Bb major, which is incorrect. G minor is the relative minor to Bb major, but there is almost no way to argue that the song is in a major key. It doesn't even contain a Bb major at any point in the song. How could it possibly be in Bb major? The sheet music for footnote 11 is evidence for my argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.161.192.15 (talk) 20:21, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

Time to discuss the genre. Come to a consensus and it can be changed or kept the same. Any edits that need to be made in the mean-time can be achieved by messaging me or by using {{edit semi-protected}} and then specifying the change. References to reliable sources are the best way to present your case one way or the other. I will not be presenting an opinion on this genre but I will watch the discussion :) James086^Talk 05:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just because Michael Jackson does a rock song doesn't make it a pop rock song because it should be categorized on the basis of it's own style rather than that typical of the music artist — Mötley Crüe, Poison, Guns N' Roses and Bon Jovi each could've recorded this hard rock and heavy metal (but not pop rock) song. Examples of pop rock include Hey, Soul Sister by Train, Maps by Maroon 5 and Counting Stars by OneRepublic. According to their respective articles, the aforementioned songs are each pop rock songs, however, Dirty Diana, while having a commercially-oriented and radio-friendly sound, is nonetheless a bona fide hard rock and heavy metal song, and if it hadn't been recorded by the King of Pop it would not be described as a pop rock song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.240.5.125 (talk) 19:18, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Add samples and Covers section

I think a sample /covers section be important especially adding the weeknds cover of dirty diana and the sample that was used In Burna Boys monster you made (Ft Chris martin) Mr Boar1 (talk) 13:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SONGCOVER sets a high bar to inclusion for cover versions. The cover version should be described as important by the media, or it should chart. Samples need to have a solid reference, for instance the liner notes or WP:SECONDARY sources; whosampledwho.com is not reliable per WP:USERG.

Basically, we don't list everything that exists—see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. We only list important things. Binksternet (talk) 16:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding the genre "glam metal" to this song

Hi, just wanted to know if I could add the genre "glam metal" to this song? Stated to be such in multiple sources:

(1) [2]https://www.stereogum.com/2147147/the-number-ones-michael-jacksons-dirty-diana/columns/the-number-ones/

(2) [3]https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Number_Ones/Jk9jEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22dirty+diana%22+%22michael+jackson%22+%22glam+metal%22&pg=PT179&printsec=frontcover

Thanks! AgentKozak (talk) 18:02, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I say No, to all your posts for "Glam". - FlightTime (open channel) 18:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All? Please clarify? AgentKozak (talk) 18:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I have issues with your sources, as with any genre source(s), they're just someone's opinion. Please wait to see what other editors say. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:08, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; AgentKozak (talk) 20:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of trivia

It would appear that Sony manufactured a headline for no other reason than they wanted to namedrop the princess. But it doesn't matter if there's a site e that says it. Saying "we thought about not performing the song, but in the end we performed it anyway" is NOT a story. It's utterly pointless. That's why this piece of trivia has been removed. 89.240.48.37 (talk) 21:48, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While you may think it's pointless, three other editors disagree with you. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 12:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]