Talk:Disney Vault

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Could we have a list of known Disney movies currently in the vault, and when they are planned or estimated to be released? --QQQ (4-19-08)

Since this information isn't the same for people in every country, is somewhat trivial, would be difficult to find reputable sources for (it would have to be debated whether UltimateDisney.com is a reputable source), and finally would result in an unwieldy list (it'd be easier to list what _isn't_ on moratorium), there's no point in doing so. As such, I removed the poorly written list that was previously here from the article. --209.16.115.62 (talk) 21:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

DAMN THE DISNEY VAULT!!! I NEED SLEEPING BEAUTY AND BEAUTY AND THE BEAST!!! DAMN THEM!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.238.152.3 (talk) 12:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

3-30-2016 - Do the same problems present today in forming a list of what is out of the Vault vs what is in the vault of those titles? After multiple google search attempts and phrasing I have only been getting this same list of titles that are on the vault rotation but not a current list of those titles out of the vault. If the powers that be here & the other wikis don't find that possible (could someone please) post a site or a link of a thread that keeps this updated information? - TIA

• • • • • • • Could you please re-instate the LIST of Titles applicable unless the vault has been publicly halted by Disney, Please?? It was there until very recently (within the last month April 2016)... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.32.40.37 (talk) 21:10, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Copyright Expiration

It seems that Tron (1982) is out of print.. does this count as a disney vaulting? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnruble (talk • contribs) 22:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

No, this is just Disney just ignoring Tron as if it never happened. Actually they probably lump Tron in with all the other movies they released back in the 70s and 80s that didn't make it either. Oh wait, those didn't have sequels and a cult following. :-P -- Deltaray3 (talk) 02:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Mulan and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

Now I know the sources state no longer available but that is not because they are out of print. They were moratorium as they follow the same cycle as all that get vaulted they end up with another release later down the line, Mulan is set for another vault release this March according to interior booklets inside Peter Pan Diamond Edition and Amazon.com. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh is also following the same idea as well, the DVD was moratorium as Disney has advertised for a Blu-ray release of the film set to be released this year as well in their sneak peaks on the Peter Pan Diamond Edition Blu-ray/DVD. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I would also like to add that an advertisement on the Peter Pan Diamond Edition for Mulan shows the Disney Vault at the beginning clarifying that it is to be released from the vault for it's Blu-ray release. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 20:22, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm sceptical about Mulan - do you have any further source? It's available for streaming at Amazon, so I don't think we can consider it to be in the vault, just currently not available awaiting the re-issue. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:22, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Unreliable additions

An IP editor keeps adding selective titles from the following source entitled "Disney Opens the Vault to Roll Out 30 New Blu-ray Releases", however, the article does not draw a direct connection between the "vault" that it talks about in the intro, and the list of films that are being released, and which ones may or may not be subject to the rules of the vault. Therefore it cannot be taken as a reliable source and does not back up the additions. And I'd like to know what criteria the IP is using to base their judgement on which of these titles to include. Why not add all 30? You cannot make assumptions based on a lazy piece of journalism. Please find additional sources if you want to include, especially seeing as this article is not recent. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

User above is showing a high case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT and WP:Bad faith as MSN.com is a reliable source and is used on several pages and the user above needs to be stopped and needs to stop removing sourced information. Thanks. 174.238.160.63 (talk) 09:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I know it's recursive, but that assumption you make there is bad faith. Why not address the issue regarding the selective nature of your edits? You clearly don't trust the source yourself otherwise you'd have added all 30. I've been trying to look for reliable sources regarding the titles you have added though, and I found a couple of things for Aristocats at examiner.com but apparently that site is blocked by Wikipedia. Nothing reliable for the other additions. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

The user above also does not use common sense otherwise would note that the IP that added the source was only looking for the first 36 animated releases was not looking to source the others this obviously shows that Robsinden is not paying attention to the talk page nor does he pay attention to the source title which clearly states Disney Opens the Vault, which by common sense shows the films added were indeed vaulted and follow as the page claims. Second he talks of biased add one when in reality almost all of Disney's releases are vaulted at some point in time only those in the Platinum and Diamond Edition Lines were were on the list when every film released in the Walt Disney Masterpiece Collection that was released prior to the 90s were all vaulted and advertised as being released from the vault. Robsiden has done nothing but shown bad faith and IDONTLIKEIT qualities and has had biased and unfair claims without looking into all the facts. Not a person who should be an editor on WP if you ask me, as my personal opinion but others will not see his faults. 174.238.160.63 (talk) 09:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Whoah! WP:NPA. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:44, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Stating what you are doing wrong is not a personal attack. You cannot see your mistakes or notice what you do wrong if someone does not point it out and a personal opinion is to show that you are going too far. Sorry if you do not like that but that whoah! and direction to the page was unnecessary so striking. 174.238.160.63 (talk) 09:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, do not edit other users comments, per WP:TPO: "Striking text constitutes a change in meaning, and should only be done by the user who wrote it or someone acting at their explicit request". Also, per WP:NPA: "Comment on content, not on the contributor". --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Contributor cannot learn if comment not made. Sorry but not going to hear that if you are not going to admit to your mistake. You made a big mistake and someone needs to point it out sorry. 174.238.160.63 (talk) 10:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

BTW check WP:THREAT is my direction to you cause I feel like you just threatened me by going into a lot of unnecessary WPs. 174.238.160.63 (talk) 10:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

• I believe Rob is correct in this case. The article lists many titles including those from its subsidiaries that are presumably not in the vault. If the article lists films that are not in the vault, then you need another source to explicitly state which of the titles are in the vault. Betty Logan (talk) 10:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually he is wrong. Pretty much here is where it is drawn Rob should not remove sourced information the IP 184.58.22.86 was only interested in adding the first 36 animated theater released films and instead of removing them Rob should have added the rest mention instead of edit warring. 174.238.160.63 (talk) 10:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Eg of how Rob is wrong, Mary Poppins is well known as a Disney film that ends up vaulted but it was never on there only the ones in the Diamond and Platinum list. All Disney films mainly those released in the Walt Disney Masterpiece Collection are well known as films that get vaulted particularly those prior to 1989. 174.238.160.63 (talk) 10:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Please could you provide a reliable source for this. --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:28, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Agree - the IP needs to supply reliable sources per WP:BURDEN. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 10:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

If I may interject something here I'd like to point out that Disney vaults everything they do. I remember growing up during the Walt Disney Masterpiece Collection and how they advertised all the old Disney films like The Aristocats, Oliver and Company and many others being "released" from the vault for the first time. A lot of obviousness that Disney Vaults their stuff is when example The Aristocats was released on April 24, 1996 to VHS during the Masterpiece Collection, it was vaulted and then later released on April 4, 2000, to the Gold Collection DVD/VHSs that was vaulted for the second DVD was released on February 5, 2008 as a Special Edition it got vaulted and The Aristocats was released for a fourth time on August 21, 2012. Note that the page says: Each Disney film is available for purchase for a limited time, after which it is put "in the vault" and not made available in stores for several years until it is once again released. All Disney films do this they are released for a limited time then vaulted until the next generation, until new things are unarchived, or a new source of technology is available, eg. VHS, DVD, BluRay. Hmmm so I think that is pretty much clear and hard to argue. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 10:44, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Again, a source would be nice. I mentioned a few months ago my concerns about the list, as it seems someone else did so a few years ago. We're still experiencing the same issues. As there is no definitive source for the North American vault (like there is for UK and Germany, etc.), maybe now is the time to scrap the list altogether, avoiding these problems, and discussing the "vault" as a concept only, perhaps making reference to "in particular the Diamond and Platinum editions" or something? --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree with scrapping the list all together but I think the See Also section should only have the Platinum and Diamond Editions page. In fact, I'll edit it now. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 11:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Also if anyone would thoroughly read the MSN Source at the bottom it says "For more information about The Walt Disney Studios upcoming Blu-ray release offerings, please visit www.DisneyBluray.com​. What films will you be picking up? [Disney, via /Film]" meaning their information came from www.DisneyBluray.com making it reliable. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 10:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

That's a massive leap of faith! This just means that the journalist just got the list of Blu-ray releases from that site, and not which were or were not subject to the rules of the "vault"! In fact, the slashfilm article seems to imply that every Disney movie ever made is subject to the "vault". --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Rob I think it is best you not comment anymore you are not seeing what should be seen only trying to push what you clearly have no idea of on others. I believe that IP 184.58.22.86 has given enough evidence to support their additions now it is time to stop beating a dead horse and move on. They have given you proper and indisputable evidence and it is time to accept it and move on. 174.238.160.63 (talk) 11:01, 1 March 2013 (UTC) :Hear, hear! 184.58.22.86 (talk) 11:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay, the pair of you need to wind it in. You have both been adding information from an unreliable source, and my position has been backed up by two very experienced editors. Neither of you have the right to dictate who can or cannot edit Wikipedia, and you need to learn some Wikiquette. --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:07, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me? I already went ahead and scrapped all the stuff anyway. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 11:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Not until after your "Hear, hear" comment on 174x's attack on me. --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually before you commented look here 184.58.22.86 (talk) 11:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

The history shows differently. --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:17, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

No I technically withdrew it before your comment my is http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Disney_Vault&diff=541493940&oldid=541493427 your comment is http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Disney_Vault&diff=prev&oldid=541494281 184.58.22.86 (talk) 11:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I can't see that it has been withdrawn. Maybe an apology and a strikethrough would be better. --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:30, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 11:45, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I noticed it after my hear, hear so I technically withdrew it before your comment. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 11:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Please grow up and read WP:BURDEN. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 11:33, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

You please grow up, the subject is now dead. Do not egg it on. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 11:45, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Please be civil. You have been told by several editors to supply reliable sources for your changes. If you do not have them, do not edit. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 12:47, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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Article is misleading

It makes it sound like you can't buy the films that are in the vault. But you can. I've found those marked as in the vault on Amazon, easy to purchase. So I've edited the opening paragraph. Cls14 (talk) 20:55, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Dumbo and Alice in Wonderland

I'm pretty sure neither of these have ever been in the vault. Like Mary Poppins, they were consistently available on VHS throughout the '80s and '90s. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC)