Talk:E. Howard & Co.

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I am confused. Now the reverted changes are showing uop again??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clint Geller (talk • contribs) 04:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The beginning of the article states that Howard and Rice "bought the stock" of the defunct Boston Watch Co., without citing any source. This statement is incorrect. Howard & Rice didn't "buy" anything. Chas. Rice held a lien on the BWCo.'s assets and through it was able to take possession of approximately 500 watch movements in progress, which were finished by Edward Howard in Roxbury [ Sources: CS Crossman "The Complete History of Watchmaking in America," Adams-Brown Publishers [reprinted from the Jwelers' Circular & Horological Review, 1885-1887]; MC Harrold "American Watchmaking," [NAWCC Pub.s, 1984]; and CB Geller "A Study of E. Howard & Co. Watchmaking Innovations: 1858-1875," [NAWCC 2005] ]. The great MAJORITY of the BWCo.'s material, and ALL of its machinery were purchased by Royal E. Robbins and partners and went to Waltham [Ron Price "Origins of the Waltham Model 57," [NAWCC 2005], not Roxbury! My attempt to correct the text was reverted!!!

I added several items to the chronology which also were reverted:

1904 the year of Edward Howard's death 1903-04 AWCo manufactured private label watches for both E Howard & Co. and the E. Howard Watch Co. 1903-1923 The Howard Clock Co finished a small number of pre-existing E. Howard & Co. watches between 1903 and 1923

I attempted to remove an utterly extraneous and confusing reference to the US Watch Co., which attempt was characterized as "vandalism!"

I provided links to a wiki article on E. Howard & Co. watch products on the NAWCC website, and to the 2002 NAWCC Seminar on-site exhibit of Howard watches, and these were deleted as well. (The National Association of Watch & Clock Collectors [NAWCC] is a non-profit educational and scientific organization.)

Clint Geller (talk) 04:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)Clint Geller[reply]

The first sentence of the wiki is incorrect

The first sentence states: "E. Howard & Co. was a clock and watch company formed by Edward Howard and Charles Rice in 1858, after the demise of the Boston Watch Company."

That's wrong!

In 1857 the clock manufacturing firm of Howard & Davis was succeeded by the new clock manufacturing firm of E. Howard & Co. In that same year, Edward Howard partnered with Charles Rice, who had held a lien on the bankrupt Boston Watch Company's assets, to finish up and sell watch material that they obtained from the BWCo. Howard and Rice finished up approximately 500 Waltham 1857 Model movements under this partnership. In December 1859, Howard bought out Rice's interest and began signing his watches "E. Howard & Co." The very last of the BWCo legacy material was signed "E. Howard & Co.," but almost immediately, Howard began producing another BWCo design of watch with separate train and barrel bridges that the BWCo had never put into production. So, Charles Rice was never a partner in E. Howard & Co., and a firm by that name pre-existed his involvement. In 1861, Howard's businesses were reorganized to bring clock and watch manufacturing formally under the same management. 74.111.100.217 (talk) 01:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]