Talk:Expedition Everest/Archive 1

Archive 1

Press Release

As of a Dec. 23, 2005, revision, the majority of this article is now a verbatim press release from Walt Disney World. Whoville

Which, I don't think makes the article look very good. It puts a weird slant on it. WestJet

I agree

The publicity material has been removed and replaced with original content. Whoville 17:16, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

April??

Why does it say that the grand opening is in April? I just went on it yesterday (February 20, 2006).--Martin925 17:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Disney typically invites members of the press, celebrities, travel agents, corporate partners, etc., to an "official" opening following a "soft opening" period. In the case of Expedition Everest, that event is scheduled for April 7, 2006. Disney has said publicly that the attraction will be operating in a "sneak peek" mode until then, meaning it's not guaranteed to be open. The same thing happened with Mission: SPACE; the attraction soft-opened without any fanfare on August 15, 2003, and had its grand opening on October 9 with an elaborate private ceremony for invited guests. Whoville 22:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Good answer above. Also, all amusement rides go through 'soft opening' periods, where the operating staff get to put the ride through its paces. This gives the staff and the park an idea of what to expect when a ride "officially" opens. There are still aspects of EE that are still being tweaked and corrected, so people who ride the ride early in the preview period will most likely have experienced a ride that can be different from the ride that's open on 'opening day'. SpikeJones 01:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Name of mountain

Info I've seen says that the name of the mountain itself is "Forbidden Mountain" (capitalized). I don't believe that the mountain itself is supposed to be Everest (the name, as the article says, refers to making an expedition TO Everest). Anybody have more info? SpikeJones 01:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

What more info do you need? The article explains it pretty clearly. The mountain is not Everest, though Everest's peak is seen in the "distance." The train travels through the "forbidden" mountain as a shortcut to the base of Everest. The attraction's "subtitle" is Legend of the Forbidden Mountain but I don't think the mountain is literally meant to have the formal name Forbidden Mountain. Whoville 04:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

That's the question - is the mountain's formal name "Forbidden Mountain"? If not, then what is the mountain's name? (ex: Typhoon Lagoon has Mount Mayday and Blizzard Beach has Mount Gushmore and Splash Mountain could be referred to as Chickapin Hill, etc ) SpikeJones 05:14, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

From what I've seen through research direct from Disney (being a stockholder), the official formal name is the Forbidden Mountain. It's just, due to the name, everyone calls it Everest. 01kkk 3:58, 25, November, 2006

There is in fact a pair of fake binoculars (sp.?) across the river from the mountain along with the silhouettes of himalayan peaks. "Forbidden Mountain" on the chart looks identical to the expedition everest mountain, while "Mount Everest" on the chart looks very different. This chart was there less than a year ago when I last visited. 64.252.105.145 19:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox vs. Attraction facts

I think it's pointless to have both an Infobox and the Attraction facts. I lean towards Attraction facts, they're consistant across (almost) all Disney Attractions and more room is used to expand details and include more "Disney specific" info that non-Disney roller coasters wouldn't have.

Agreed. And the $100 million price tag is pure speculation with no attribution. Disney never reveals the cost of its attractions and the calculation of numbers tossed around in media coverage by theme park industry sources is never explained. But those numbers get repeated again and again as gospel. Whoville 04:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

g's?

I rode this a little over a week ago. I've been trying to find out the maximum g-force, but I can't find it anywhere. It would be nice if someone could find that and add it to the article. Bubba73 (talk), 17:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sick Yeti?

The animatronic Yeti has been frozen in place for years-- it was apparently only operational for a few months before some damage (possibly to its foundation) necessitated its shutdown. Not too surprisingly, there's no official word that this has happened, and although I can find some respectable references, none that I can find mention any dates of when this problem began. Here's one such reference (but without any dates):

http://land.allears.net/blogs/jackspence/2010/04/expedition_everest_legend_of_t_2.html

Is this relevant to be included? I'm finding it difficult to word an addition that doesn't include a date. Gurnec (talk) 13:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Unless there is an official statement from Disney regarding the status of the Yeti (beyond what is already known, with regards to the Yeti having an "A" and "B" mode), then adding anything to the article will most likely be removed as speculation or WP:OR. SpikeJones (talk) 22:16, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

basketball court

Is it true that there is a basketball court inside the mountain facade, unseen to riders? Spxmet (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:36, 1 June 2011 (UTC).

No. That's a different Disney mountain. SpikeJones (talk) 01:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Good article preparation

I'm going to start working on this article to get it to GA status. This will be the first Disney article I will nominate so if anyone has anything to contribute, feel free to. I noticed there's barely any references so I think that'll need the most attention.--Astros4477 (talk) 02:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I'll try and help out with this where I can. If there are any pictures here that you would like transferred over I'd be more than happy to help. Themeparkgc  Talk  06:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Themeparkgc, do you think the Everest in the City section is needed? I feel like it doesn't do much for the article.--Astros4477 (talk) 18:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I think a mention of the promotion should be kept but the quote ripped out and replaced with probably two sentences that summarise it. Obviously sources would also need to be found. Themeparkgc  Talk  23:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done--Astros4477 (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Copy edit, November 2012

• Facts: "This is accomplished through two sets of track switches before and after the rear segment." This needs disambiguating to one of:
  • This is accomplished through two sets of track switches, one before the rear segment and one after.
  • This is accomplished through two sets of track switches before the rear segment and two after.

--Stfg (talk) 20:34, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed--Astros4477 (talk) 21:08, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

• Facts: "This was the second Disney roller coaster to have a backwards section, the first being Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril: Backwards! at Disneyland Resort Paris (2000-2004).[11] However, it was the first roller coaster to be built with backwards sections.[12]" I'm confused. Why is this not a direct contradiction? --Stfg (talk) 20:34, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Well there is some confusion about this. This source says "The Everest ride is the first in any Disney park in which a roller coaster travels backward" althought RCDB says the Indiana Jones roller coaster went backwards from 2000 - 2004, before Everest opened. So we're trying to say Everest was the first Disney coaster to originally built with backwards sections.--Astros4477 (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Well, I suppose that in those years, either the Indiana Jones did go backwards or it didn't, and if it did, then the first source is just wrong, isn't it? But are we saying that Indiana Jones went backwards all the way, whereas Everest had both backwards and forwards sections? --Stfg (talk) 21:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

With Indiana Jones they just spun the train around and ran it backwards for that period. Everest had the first seconds going forwards and backwards in the one ride. Maybe a source could be found to support a statement about having the first mid-course track switches in a Disney coaster? Themeparkgc  Talk  22:03, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll try to find one.--Astros4477 (talk) 22:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Great. I think we've got the sense now, so I've tried some wording. Is it OK? --Stfg (talk) 23:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Sounds good. Themeparkgc  Talk  00:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Expedition Everest/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: QatarStarsLeague (talk · contribs) 03:42, 23 November 2012 (UTC) I will be reviewing this one. The review will commence in a few days. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 03:42, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Lead

The mention of the cost of the ride needs to be featured within the article's body.

It's already in the Awards and records section.--Astros4477 (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

The claim of the ride being the 18th mountain-based attraction also needs to be featured in the body

It's already in the Mountain section.--Astros4477 (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Isn't the ride themed about a lost train hurtling through the Himalayas, with the rogue train finally encountering the Yeti at the ride's denouement?

This is also mentioned later.--Astros4477 (talk) 17:08, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Other than this, the lead seems good.

Infobox

References for all the statistics that do not have references within the article itself. Other than that, we are good.

Everything is either referenced in the article or it is on the RCDB link at the bottom of the infobox.--Astros4477 (talk) 17:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

History

I will get to this in a bit. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 14:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
This section is a laconian one, but I believe it passes.

"Laconian"? OED: "Of or pertaining to Laconia or its inhabitants; Lacedæmonian, Spartan." Wondering what you meant. --Stfg (talk) 10:25, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Queue

I have been in this queue, so maybe a bit more can be discussed about the museum in the queue, and how the show Destination Truth donated Yeti paraphernalia to the ride's queue. Just a suggestion, otherwise it passes.

 Done--Astros4477 (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Layout

You may want to expound to the reader that a helix is an inversion or, even simpler, a loop.

A helix is not an inversion or loop.--Astros4477 (talk) 19:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Trains

Needs a few more stats about the trains themselves.

 Done--Astros4477 (talk) 20:04, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Track

Good.

Facts

Have other parks achieved this distinction? If so, you may want to tell the readers this.

Reached what distinction? If you're talking about going backwards, I don't really think we should add the other coasters that go backwards.--Astros4477 (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Mountain

I see mention that this ride is Disney's 18th mountain attraction. Can you tell the readers how many mountain-based attractions there are in the Florida parks?

I added how many there are at all the Disney parks as the 18 refers to all the Disney Parks.--Astros4477 (talk) 19:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeti technical details

Due to the lucid details given, I think this section is the best so far.

Promotions

Stopping here to allow you time. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 03:06, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Discovery Channel

I fixed a misspelling for Les Stroud (not Les Strout).
I need references for the Nepalese expedition.

 Done--Astros4477 (talk) 20:11, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I need a reference for the innovative scaffolding used.

 Done--Astros4477 (talk) 20:29, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Other than that, this section passes.

Everest in the City

This section passes.

Incidents

The sole incident is covered well.

Awards and records

I need refs for the Golden Ticket and Best Coaster Poll results.

They are there in the tables.--Astros4477 (talk) 19:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Everything else is good!

Conclusion

This review went very smoothly, and as soon as the outstanding issues are addressed, I can pass this article! Congratulations! QatarStarsLeague (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I have addressed all your comments.--Astros4477 (talk) 20:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)