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Correct spelling of Stilwell

Wups, you got the name spelled wrong (just one l in the middle), and so do all three of your references! Correct spelling is that given in the indictment for Stilwell's murder in Tucson. See [1] also [2]. Roy B. Young gives a copy of Frank C. Stilwell's original signature on page 111 of his book Cochice County War, and it is certainly Stilwell with 3 l's. Moreover, Stilwell is a brother of the moderately famous Western Indian scout Simpson Everett "Comanche Jack" Stilwell, also certainly spelled with 3 l's. See [3] for bio and (yes) correct spelling with one l in the middle. S B H arris 00:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Simply fails WP:BIO. Subject was a minor character in the Tombstone/OK Corral saga that achieved little in the way of notability on his own. Article had some refs that no longer function (mostly to non-reliable sources). It does cite one book as a reference (although without any inline citations) and in explaining it's relevence, even the article author refers to Stilwell as a "minor Tombstone character". Niteshift36 (talk) 23:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Stilwell (note they spelled his name wrong) has a life-sized statue in Tucson. http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM1QE7 How many of the forgettable soccer goalkeepers that WP keeps track of as BLP figures, have a public statue of them, anywhere?

Not a great deal is known about F. Stilwell, although more is being collected as time goes by. I suggest you give it some more time. He is a pivotal figure. He probably murdered Morgan Earp, or else was in the party that did. His murder by Wyatt Earp (one of just two men Wyatt was thought to have killed without assistance) is the reason for the arrest warrants issued for Earp, Holliday, Johnson and McMasters, that finally drove Earp and Holliday out of Arizona, never to return. As such, somebody has had to play Stilwell in every film about Tombstone and Earp.

People want to know about Stilwell. His Wiki page was viewed 1837 times in just the month of Dec. 2009, and gets 50 hits a day or so. http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/Frank%20Stilwell How many BLP figures can you say the same of? The major source of the public's correct info on the man (like his name spelling) is actually the page you want to delete. He gets about 40,000 hits on Google, most of them to the right guy. But many of them are due to this page. S B H arris 05:40, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Number of views means little. I'd be willing to bet that most of them got here the way I did, from a WL on a page about someone else or an article about Tombstone. Ghits mean even less. What does matter is notability. Most coverage about his is not significant in its depth. He is a mention, a footnote. What he probably did, doesn't make him notable. You mention that he was portrayed in movies. Yes, he is, as a minor role by a minor actor. Give it more time? This article is 3 and a half years old. The man has been dead for almost 128 years. How much more time? He existed. He was part of the saga. That doesn't make him notable in his own right. I agree that there are a lot of BLP's that I don't feel are all that notable. But this isn't a BLP and I don't feel Stilwell is that notable.Niteshift36 (talk) 19:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have a copy of the 1860 US Census for Palmyra Twp Douglas Co. KS (not far from Kansas City) that shows both Frank AND his brother Sampson both born in Iowa and the name is spelled "Stillwell". The name Sampson with Frank on a census, along with other known info, would tend to have you believe this is valid info for Frank. As far as the spelling of the name Stilwell, if you have done any geneology work, spelling can go right out the window. Beard and Baird can be the same person. Being able to read, back then, meant you could quote the Bible; spelling was left to the record taker if someone was illiterate (a good portion of Americans, at this time, were either fully or functionally illiterate, and most of them wouldn't admit it). Spelling in of itself isn't big deal. Did you know the the McLaurie Brothers of Tombstone had several spellings of their name (McLowery, McLaurey, McLourie etc) their WHOLE FAMILY used, interchangabley.

Whether Frank played a major or minor role, he was still part of the saga. He was one of the first casualties of the Vendetta Ride. If you have been to Tombstone (I have), he is part of the history. There tons of prostitutes, drug dealers, gamblers, gunslingers (do you know the names of ALL the Cowboys? They still play a part) that we only know some their names. If we know names, they have a significant place for their name to have been remembered. Leave him in and let people decide what is important.

That census can be viewed on Footnote; it is a free view document 97.119.151.205 (talk) 15:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)Margot Aguayo[reply]

Can you give a link to the document? I'm willing to accept a document with a "wrong" spelling. All we know is that both Frank and his brother Jack wrote their names with 3 l's. That doesn't mean the person who filled out the census form got it right. This would be helpful in pinnning down Frank's correct place of birth. Does it have a birth year for him, or his age in 1860? He would have been about 24 to coincide with the 1880 census figures. S B H arris 10:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Correct Spelling of Stilwell

If I can be of any assistance, I am a distant cousin of Frank and Simpson Stilwell. The correct spelling of their surname is Stilwell (three L’s.) My great-grandmother was one of the Stilwells from Marion County, Iowa, and her branch of the family lived less than 10 miles from Wyatt Earp near Pella, Iowa, in the 1850’s. (Branches of the family still live in the area today.) I have been doing genealogy on the Stilwell family for about 7 years.

There have been five books published on the family’s history over the past 130 years. All of the genealogy books contain a family legend that when the two Stillwell brothers, John and Nicholas, immigrated to Virgina from England, via Holland, in 1630 the younger brother (Nicholas) adopted a three-L spelling of the family name to distinguish himself from his older brother John, who retained the four-L spelling of the name. Frank, Simpson, and I are descended from three-L Nicholas Stilwell.

There are other famous people and distant cousins with entries on Wikipedia who are descended from Nicholas Stilwell, too, and their name should be spelled with three L’s:

Gen. Joseph “Vinegar Joe” Stilwell

Arthur Stilwell, founder of the Kansas City Southern Railroad

Thomas Neil Stilwell, congressman and U.S. ambassador to Venezuela (He is one of my great uncles)

Mary Stilwell Edison, the wife of Thomas Alva Edison (a 2nd cousin)

The family has been in America for almost 400 years and we have a huge family tree. Nearly all of the Stilwells/Stillwells found today in America are distant cousins, but the spelling of their name gives clues as to whether they were descended from Nicholas Stilwell or his older brother John Stillwell, the first and just about only known immigrants to come to America with that surname. Typically, you will find the family's name spelled with four L's across the Deep South because most of John's descendants moved southward from Virginia. Nicholas Stilwell, however, in his own lifetime left Virginia and became one of the first settlers of Long Island and New York City when it was still the Dutch colony New Amsterdam. (One of his homes still stands today on Long Island. It is a museum and it's the third oldest structure in New York City, owned by the New York Historical Society.) Since Nicholas moved to the Northeast, you will typically find the three-L spelling across the northern half of the U.S., especially in New England and the Upper Midwest, among his descendants.

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Some parts of this read like they were written by a defense attorney, or a PR man. Anmccaff (talk) 13:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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