Talk:Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

Post-credits scene inclusion

There has been conflicting opinions as to whether the Peter Quill post-credit scene should be included or excluded. I've included it as of this writing, and I've opened up the topic here for a proper debate. Ooznoz (talk) 18:21, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd say exclude it since it is irrelevant to the overall plot of the film. Some post-credits scenes are played for comedic effect. Edwordo13 (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

You shouldn't have included it, as it's WP:STATUSQUO not to have it, and it's both in line with the MOS:FILMPLOT guideline and common practices in MCU films. The burden of proof is on those in favor of adding the post-credits scene. On why it shouldn't be included, the scene has nothing of substance, it has no bearing on the plot whatsoever, and no MCU article includes the tag of "X character will return" in the plot summary. —El Millo (talk) 18:30, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

By that reasoning, the Thor's hammer scene in "Iron Man 2" and the introductory scene of Wanda and Pietro at the end of "Winter Soldier", to name just two, should be removed from those articles. They had no bearing on the plots of their movies either.

Seriously, why do you really object to this scene? I'm not being confrontational, I just really want to know. Ooznoz (talk) 21:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Because it's them having breakfast, there's literally nothing there. We know that there are generally two types of MCU post-credits scenes: those that directly set-up future films, and those that are jokes. The second kind we never include in plot summaries. As for the tags, we never include them either. There's a consensus among these films not to include them. So at the very least it shouldn't be there until a newly-formed consensus arrives that this should be an exception. —El Millo (talk) 21:47, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any mid- or post-credit scenes that were excluded from any MCU film article, joke or otherwise. For proof, I point to the original GotG article, where the scene with the Collector sitting with Cosmo and Howard the Duck -- clearly just a joke, with no bearing onthe story-- is mentioned. That has been in the article for YEARS without objections. So why is this so different? Ooznoz (talk) 23:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

That post-credits scene shows the Collector survived, so that's why it's included I presume. When it comes to excluded MCU post-credits scenes, there are quite a few:

• Avengers eating in The Avengers
• Stark telling the story to Banner in Iron Man 3
• Stan Lee with the Watchers in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (though that one was removed quite recently)
• Cap's PSA in Spider-Man: Homecoming
• Giant ant playing drums in Ant-Man and the Wasp
• Wong singing karaoke with Shang-Chi in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
• Bruce Campbell in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
• Rocket and Cosmo decorating Groot as a Christmas tree in The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special

So there is a precedent for removing post-credits scenes that don't contain any actually relevant information in it, as they should ultimately be treated like any other scene in the film that doesn't have any relevant information in it. As for the "The Legendary Star-Lord will return", we don't include literally any tag, so that should obviously be removed. —El Millo (talk) 23:33, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Fine. I seem to be in the minority, so do as you will. Ooznoz (talk) 00:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done —El Millo (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick. Glad this has been settled. Edwordo13 (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Late to join the party, but I agree with the removal. Per MOS:FILMPLOT, "The inclusion of mid- and post-credit scenes should be based on the same criteria used to evaluate the relevance of other scenes". Unless you can argue it's relevant, it shouldn't make the cut. Some scenes show cliffhangers and setup the plot in a future film, so exceptions are often carved out in those situations. --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Led by Gamora?

Continued from the edit summaries. Trailblazer101 is quite right that I misread the source that I mentioned [1]. But further down it says in that in Vol. 3 it is "Stakar acting as a leader". I would be happy to see somebody provide some citation or other explanation for the summary's current assertion that Gamora was leading them. SilverLocust 💬 05:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Untamed1910 and Trailblazer101: Discuss at your leisure. Additionally, I would urge everyone to WP:ONLYREVERT when necessary. If someone removes an unsourced claim, even without a good source to prove a negative [Aug 30 edit: see WP:BURDEN], you could add it back with {{citation needed}} or {{disputed inline}} or even (if you want to truly go above and beyond) add your own reference to support the claim. Currently the only source for the plot summary is WP:PLOTSOURCE (i.e., using the movie itself as a source), so one can hardly blame the unregistered editor for also using "I saw the movie" as a source. Also, when citing BRD, note that it says "The first person to start a discussion is the person who is best following BRD." My own approach was Bold, revert, bold again because the reverters were asking for a source. SilverLocust 💬 05:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Note the United Ravagers are a combined faction so it would make sense to have coleaders. [2]https://www.comicbasics.com/heres-why-gamora-left-guardians-of-the-galaxy-joined-the-ravagers/ 116.88.154.45 (talk) 15:01, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

For not could you disassociate Gamora from the Ravagers for better clarity? 116.88.154.45 (talk) 15:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Gamora is not portrayed as the leader of the Ravagers in the film. I have updated the article but feel free to find an updated source we can use in the cast list. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:29, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2023

Originally: who seeks to destroy the Guardians for stealing from her.

Suggested revised version: as ordered by their creator, the High Evolutionary, who seeks to capture Rocket for his brain. MS58609 (talk) 06:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pinchme123 (talk) 00:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

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