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Nominator: Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) 14:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Gog the Mild (talk · contribs) 21:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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  • "placed in ordinary". think this needs unpacking a little in line to meet criterion 1a.
  • I do not think it appropriate to provide a big explanation of the term, when already linked, in the lede. I have rejigged first mention in main text and added an explanation.
  • "served in South America as an escort to the diplomat Sir Charles Stuart". I am puzzled as to how a ship escorts a person?
  • Reworded.
  • "Diamond was a fifth-rate 18-pounder Leda-class frigate." "Diamond was a fifth-rate", "18-pounder" and "frigate" all need explaining. The first two possibly via footnotes, the last in line.
  • I have added the explanation I used in HMS Beaulieu, plus a note for the rating system. Disagree that explanation is needed for 18-pounder as this is explained in the text later on. I can remove it here if you like.
  • The first paragraph goes to pains to say how excellent the Hébé was, without actually mentioning a single particular. Was she unusually fast, well armed, manoeuvrable, weatherly, something else?
  • Unfortunately I've provided all the particular details the sources give. It seems it was generally just a good design.
  • "With the Napoleonic Wars subsequently beginning". When?
  • Added.
  • "the design was revived as one of three mass-produced frigates". I am unsure what this is trying to say. Eg 'the design was revived and three mass-produced frigates were based on it' or 'the design was revived as one of three standard plans for frigates'? (Or similar in each case.)
  • The latter; reworded.
  • "not part of the emergency construction programme". What "emergency construction programme"? This has not been previously mentioned.
  • Removed; source doesn't elaborate and the important part is just that none were completed in time to fight.
  • "before the wars ended." "Wars" plural? And when did they/it end?
  • Rejigged.
  • "the ship measured 1,076 18⁄94 tons burthen." I am not sure "measured" is the best word here.
  • Open to suggestions for alternatives but it's a calculation based on length and maximum beam, so I don't think it's necessarily inappropriate?
As it is a calculation it is not a measurement. Why not 'was calculated to be[or have if you prefer]'?
  • Lead: "she was initially placed in ordinary"; article "was instead laid up at Chatham." Consistent phrasing would help a reader.
  • Changes in point #1 hopefully cover this.
  • "was instead laid up at Chatham." As with the lead, could this be unpacked in line per criterion 1a?
  • Ibid
  • "The frigate had a crew complement of 315". You don't need both "crew" and "complement".
  • Deleted one.
  • "Having spent eight years in ordinary at Chatham". Unpacked again please.
  • Per previous points on the term, has now been explained.
  • Did Diamond pick up Morier at St Kitts?
  • No, that's just poor paragraph construction from me!
  • "having continued at Veracruz". Do you mean 'having arrived at Veracruz'?
  • Reworded.
  • In the "Service" section "refit" is mentioned twice. It would be helpful if some brief idea of what this entailed could be included.
  • Source doesn't say, it could be a wide variety of actions, none of which I would expect to find detailed outside of dusty archival records. I prefer to keep it firm with the source rather than even provide a definition, as that could be wildly inaccurate depending on what the particular refit had actually required.
  • "There Frances Mary had been taken up by the English consul." I am not sure what "taken up" means.
  • Removed this part as unnecessary.
  • "Napier had the ship refitted and repaired, travelling to São Miguel Island, followed by Faial Island and then Terceira Island." Are the two halves of this sentence connected? If so, in which ship?
  • Reworded.
  • You define "laid up in ordinary" in Design and construction, then abbreviate it to "in ordinary" in Service and to "laid up" in Fate. Could all three use the same phrasing please.

Thanks for the prompt response. Just two comebacks from me. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild: Have hopefully rectified these. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Passes Earwig.
  • Images are all appropriately tagged.
  • Carried out three spot checks, which were fine.

@Gog the Mild: Hi, thanks for running through this! I've responded above. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've also added the relevant changes to her sister ship HMS Lively, so thanks for the prompts! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicely done, and promoting. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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