Talk:Holy Fire (2018)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Holy Fire (2018) article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

California Low‑importance

	California portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject California, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of California on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CaliforniaWikipedia:WikiProject CaliforniaTemplate:WikiProject CaliforniaCalifornia articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Crime and Criminal Biography Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Disaster management Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Disaster management, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Disaster management on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Disaster managementWikipedia:WikiProject Disaster managementTemplate:WikiProject Disaster managementDisaster management articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Wildfire Mid‑importance

	Holy Fire (2018) is part of WikiProject Wildfire, which collaborates on wildfire-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.WildfireWikipedia:WikiProject WildfireTemplate:WikiProject WildfireWildfire articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:

Forrest Gordon Clark, 51, suspected arsonist.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 10:51, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 November 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 10:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Fire (2018) → Holy Fire (wildfire) – Year disambiguation is confusing when disambiguating from something other than an event. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 01:59, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. --Surachit (talk) 04:18, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Oppose – The proposed title is a violation of WP:MOS and WP:COMMONNAME, as well as standard Wikipedia title formatting practices, not to mention that it is awkward, redundant, and extremely unlikely to be searched by readers over the current title. The standard formatting calls for the year to be used when the subject is not the main topic (e.g. Hurricane Linda (1997), Valley Fire (2018), etc.). LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:33, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support this was an event, so the nom doesn't make sense. And year is how we dab catastrophe and disaster events, even named events within title 2018 California wildfire "Holy Fire". However I can see where the nom is coming from (wildfire) explains what the event was. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:48, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant was that Holy Fire wasn't an event, not that this article wasn't. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:15, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Holy Fire was an event and it is a subject that qualifies for a date modifier. Are we going to rename Cedar Fire (2003) and Cedar Fire (2016) to Cedar Fire 1 and Cedar Fire 2? And how about moving Border Fire to Border Fire (wildfire)? LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 16:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think the Cedar Fire solution could be Cedar Fire (2003 wildfire) and Cedar Fire (2016 wildfire), if we wanted to rigidly consistent. However, Cedar Fire (2003) and Cedar Fire (2016) seem fine to me. Holy Fire (2018) does present a bit of a dilemma, since many people (especially outside of California and the United States) might believe that "Holy Fire (2018)" should refer to the Orthodox Christian ceremony in Jerusalem in 2018. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- RobLa (talk) 17:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Fire (2018 wildfire) would be over-precise (no other wildfires to distinguish it from). {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@BullRangifer, JustAnotherWikiUser0816, Sevgonlernassau, CelticWonder, RobLa, and NorthBySouthBaranof: Pinging other editors from a related discussion. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 16:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It's redundant to say "fire" twice. The current title is also our standard format which can't be confused with anything else. Keep current title. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 23:15, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for substantially the same reasons set out at Talk:Camp Fire (2018)#Requested move 11 November 2018; both for consistency and agreement with that discussion's outcome and its applicability here. TJRC (talk) 00:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.