Talk:Hurricane Paul

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On 30 October 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Hurricane Paul (1982) to Hurricane Paul. The result of the discussion was moved.

Move this article

Basically, the general format is having the Hurricane Name as the retired storm, with Hurricane Name (Disambiguation as the disambiguations, unless there were no retired storms, so the disambigs would have the name and other storms would have Hurricane Name (Year). However, based on how destructive Paul was and how well-known it was as a destructive storm (IMO), I propose it gets the main article. Hurricanehink 15:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No objection. However I think for the atlantic, which has been more consistent about retiring names for longer, we should stick to the yearly suffix entirely for non-retired storms (though there are several "coincidentally" retired storms like Hurricane Francelia which are tempting not to add the year to). Jdorje 21:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Good point about storms like Francelia. That, Belle, and a few others could use a redirect for their name (like Francelia (1969) redirects to Francelia) but they can stay with the main article in my book. Especially if the storm is notable, like Alice in 1954-5. That doesn't need to be Alice (1954), but a redirect couldn't hurt. Hurricanehink 22:06, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Todo

Some more on impact, and a little more in the intro. How about a breakdown of deaths by country? What countries did the TD even strike? Jdorje 20:34, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is next to impossible. There is next to no info available online, so all you could do is guess and mention other storms. Hurricanehink 20:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I love it when I'm wrong in cases like this. Is this better? Hurricanehink 00:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Upgraded it to B Class Storm05 17:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern Pacific Hurricane Center

In case you don't know, the Eastern Pacific Hurricane Center in San Francisco was tasked with warning in tropical cyclones in that basin through the 1970's and most of the 1980's. I changed the line in this article...other articles may be similarly flawed. Thegreatdr 13:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Hurricane Paul (1982)/GA1

Requested move 24 April 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Paul (1982) → Hurricane Paul – This Paul is much more prominent (pageviews) than any other Pauls. That's because he's much more destructive than any other incarnations and well, again i'll consider this as primary topic. --SMB99thx XD (contribs) 10:05, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose again, same as the others, the year is a critical part of the identity even if (2012) and (2006) they are more recent and readers are more likely to have been recently affected. Present titling serves everyone and is fine per WP:TITLE. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - Clearly the primary topic. Jdcomix (talk) 14:37, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Given that most of the impact occurred as a depression, and that the 12 and 06 versions of the storm were mildly significant, I disagree. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 15:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Damage total?

I calculated $776 million, based on what's in the article. How is it over $1 billion? @Yellow Evan: ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:28, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The 1.16 billion total comes from this edit, which must have gotten removed/copyedited out over the years. I'll look at this further when I get back to Norman. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:53, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yellow Evan and Hurricanehink: 100M+280M+250M+100M+356M+70M equals the $1.16 billion total. All of those individual numbers are in the prose. Each number has its own source. Noah^Talk 23:19, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I downgraded both the death and damage total figures by quite a bit. I wrote this article eight years ago when I was a very edgy and highly annoying teenager whodidn't know as much about death/damage totals as I do know. I didn't even know LexisNexis was a thing back in the day, and the article is not how I'd write it today (then again, I refuse to touch the EPAC now). Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 18:09, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks YE. As a former teenage editor who maybe was a little brusque at times, I appreciate your editing hours and your wit. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:36, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 Oct 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 10:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Paul (1982) → Hurricane Paul

1982’s Hurricane Paul was the second-deadliest Pacific hurricane behind only the 1959 Mexico hurricane. Paul, surprisingly, never was retired, but I feel like this storm is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, as it was catastrophic. Hurricane Gordon from the 1994 Atlantic hurricane season is another similar storm to Paul — very deadly but no retirement — and Gordon does not have the year in its title.

AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 21:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 15:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Weather and WikiProject Tropical cyclones have been notified of this discussion. Raladic (talk) 15:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Among the hurricanes and tropical storms named Paul, this one appears to meet the criteria for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Drdpw (talk) 15:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – 2nd-deadliest East Pacific tropical cyclone on record, with all other iterations in the basin causing comparatively minor, if any, impacts. Easily fulfills PRIMARYTOPIC. Ark Hyena (it/its) 19:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Theparties (talk) 20:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: definitely the primary topic. --_ZZ^Z 'S 04:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.