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I need help, I will add more after the 1st show. It needs images. --Seth slackware 17:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

We need an Ice Road Truckers image, seth. Kylejohnston 12:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Added Quotes there from the promo clip online, I don't know if they need the subscript source thing --Seth slackware 13:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Got the image --Seth slackware 14:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to expand the history and make an episodes list later tonight/tomorrow --Kylejohnston 18:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

So we are pretty much good until the shows starts, unless we dream up something good in the mean time --Seth slackware 02:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Can someone add the name of the commentator to the page?

I cleaned up a lot of the duplicate info. For example, there were three separate mentions of the premiere date. Also fixed some grammar and sentence structure problems. Only change to the layout was, I moved the description of the minisite and games to a new 'Website' section, away from the critical acclaim section, as its being there made no sense. 97.82.247.200 15:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Ripoff?

Any reports out yet about this being a ripoff of Deadliest Catch? Seems pretty straightforward to me from the theme song to the area of the world they're shooting in, but I'm not going to put anything in the article that isn't cited. JHMM13(Disc) 22:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Look man, there is no place for that on this page. Thats just your opinion --Seth slackware 00:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Well that's my point, Seth slackware. I have no intention of bashing this show. If I wanted to do that, it wouldn't be on Wikipedia. The point is that there is a significant issue here that might be worthy of inclusion if it's been addressed my news outlets or reputable sources. It's the History Channel, so why are they deviating so drastically from their beaten path of documentaries about history and going to this show after they've sustained a rough period of low ratings following the recent successes of the Discovery Channel, especially the Deadliest Catch. They said "This is a great start to a series that showcases why history is so fascinating" [1], but what has it got to do with history? This review by the NYT also paints it as a show created in the mold of Deadliest Catch, and isn't the show's creator and narrator the same guy who created Deadliest Catch? Are these things all really "just my opinion?" It's important to note it for its historical context in this article, but we need some really good sources, I think. Perhaps the Times article is good enough. JHMM13(Disc) 06:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
There used to be a spot in the history section talking about how Ice Road Truckers is similar to a Deadliest Catch-style show, but with more a of an objective, documentary-style approach as opposed to the dramatic behind-the-scenes stuff of Deadliest Catch. It looks like it has been replaced with "It is produced and narrated by Thom Beers, who has a history of producing shows chronicling men performing perilous duties (he is the mind behind the Discovery Channel's Deadliest Catch)." I could add it back in. Also, the same idea is skirted around in the Critical Acclaim section with "...some praised the show for its documentary-style approach and cinematography[5]," although in that line it's not being compared to Deadliest Catch. Kylejohnston 12:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You bring up a good point JHMM13, add it Kyle! --Seth slackware 21:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

If you watch both shows together, Truckers seems to be a big ripoff. The title sequence is done in the same style as Deadliest Catch, with the truckers standing near their trucks with their names, just like the crew and captains of the crab boats and their boats in deadliest catch. Also, the map of the trail is shown in a style similar to the map of the bering sea in deadliest catch, with positions given in relation to the next person. Finally, Truckers has a count of the trips made by the truckers that is presented just like the crab count tally is presented in Deadliest Catch. Jollyjoegiant


Regardless, your OPINION is not a citable source. Kylejohnston 01:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Technically, a ripoff would be if someone made another identical show about Alaskan crab fishing. As they only used the format for an entirely new subject, this show is actually more of an adaptation, which happens all the time. Actually, I defy anyone to find a show on TV today that wasn't partially, (if not totally) adapted from something previously aired. 97.82.247.200 15:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I am having a difficult time understanding your assertion that it is a "rip-off"... How the hell does Thom Beers rip off himself? 71.77.202.175 05:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Not a ripoff

This show is NOT a ripoff of Deadliest Catch, and here's why: both shows are produced by Original Productions, the people who make Deadliest Catch (and also Monster Garage and other shows). The company simply sells their shows to the highest bidder, or does contract work. Deadliest Catch ended up on Discovery and History got this one. I don't think it's fair to accuse Original Prod. of ripping off their own work. That's like accusing an automaker of ripping off one of their own cars when making a new model.

Other points: Many of the production crew are the same between both shows. Compare the episode credits from both shows. The biggest difference is in who narrates. Thom Beers (who narrates most of their productions) does this one and Mike Rowe does the other show. Beers also narrated the "Deadliest Season" pilot film which directly inspired Deadliest Catch. The connections are numerous.

No doubt part of the reason this show got made at all was because Original Prod. had a proven track record making hit shows about cold-weather jobs. Patrick AWA 00:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Ice Road a proper name?

Shouldn't the term "Ice Road" be capitalized throughout the passage when referring to the road itself since that would be the road's proper name? --UntilMoraleImproves 16:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess Seth slackware 03:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Viral Shilling

This article reads like a producer of the show created this wiki. At the end the history channel website and the DVD are pimped. I dont think this should be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.107.41 (talk) 04:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

12,000 medical bill?

Not having seen the episode - I'm a bit confused. I thought within Canada healthcare is free, and thus, you would not be billed for health care? Kate St. John 00:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

  • My understanding is that only citizens of Canada are eligible for healthcare. That does not cover visitors, as many of the truckers are just living in Canada for the season and then returning to the United States.
    • All of the drivers are Canadian. There's more info on the History Channel's website forums for the show here about the medical bill Rasa 18:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
    • I would understand that, however, the History Channel's website lists T.J. as coming from Hillsburgh, Ontario. It will be interesting to see what the episode reveals.Kate St. John 23:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
    • It is a possibility that TJ couldn't afford health insurance or wasn't eligible for it.

TJ'S Bills were completely covered (he did not have to pay for it). See his message here: http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800027318&messageID=700241421. There was probably a period of time between when he received the bills and the bills were paid by insurance.Lhbbe 23:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

TJ hurt himself on the job and he failed to report it to his boss. Therefore his workers compensation did not kick in. He then went to work for another person and failed to tell him that he had hurt himself on the job. Once again no workers Compensation coverage. TJ was on the hook for the whole bill because WC would have paid it had he reported it. It turns out that Original Productions paid his bills for him. Just thought you should know. Nmac-YK (talk) 02:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Ripoff makes no sense?

Both shows are owned by Original Productions. How could they be ripping themselves off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.137.134 (talk) 00:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


Fluff

This whole article is a bunch of fanboy fluff and a disgrace. It's pretty telling how all references to The Deadliest Catch is edited out, despite the fact that it's produced by the exact same company, and an obvious(to any moron, this isn't subjective) attempt to latch onto the same audiences who watch it. And it's great there are mini-biographis on every single character, and synopsises of every single episode, all crammed into this entry. Way to contribute to the "wikipedia is a joke" meme. I could counter the 'critical acclaim' fluff with a criticism section, primarily over the way events in the show are heavily edited to manufacture drama, but we all know it will be edited out by some slavering fanboy as 'irrelevent' or some such crap. Disgusting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.177.76 (talk) 22:00, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a soapbpx. Either improve the article youself our take your whining someplace else. 129.108.206.1 20:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
It's not a fansite, either, but that doesn't stop people from responding to a 'criticism' section in numerous articles by either removing them, or adding a 'criticism rebuttal' section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.177.76 (talk) 20:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

"This whole article is a bunch of fanboy fluff and a disgrace." I agree. The whole thing reads as if it were copied and pasted from the History Channel's website. - Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.19.252.113 (talk) 11:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

New Zealands showing Season 1 (in 2008)

Currently here in New Zealand TV3's showing Season 1, I just saw episode 4 of season 1 tonight (Wed 3rd Dec 2008). The start of the page is saying that New Zealand is airing season 2. Paul nz (talk) 09:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Huh?

It says this in the Reception section:

"By series completion it was clear that the truck falling through the ice was only a special effect, a fact that caused some grumbling among the truckers. Still, the series is a rare occasion in reality television where the cast seem pleased with the outcome."

Huh? What truck falling through the ice? It doesn't mention it anywhere before this statement. Crash Underride 17:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, without digging through the history, I have to wonder if it was mentioned before in the article, and the earlier reference was taken out, and this got missed. Is there any kind of citation for that second sentence, though? (Let alone the the first one?) umrguy42 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Television barred again?


Split?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This article seems to be getting a bit large and it might be a good idea to split it into seasons. Thoughts? -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 12:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Partial Support - splitting out the episodes into a separate "Ice Road Truckers Episodes" article is certainly within reason. 5minutes (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

How about keeping the general information about the series in this article, and create 3 new articles? These three articles could consist of all the information (drivers,other significant persons,locations and so on) from each season.LAN9 (talk) 19:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

That's pretty much what I meant. Leaving this page as the main article about the series with separate articles for each season. I'm not sure splitting out to a single episodes article is a good idea just because that article too could become quite large. Maybe something like Survivor (U.S. TV series) would work where each season has an article. These reality show articles tend to accumulate a lot of detail. These types of shows, while they can certainly be described in terms of episodes, are better segregated by season because of the distinct change of location from one season to the next (most of the time) and the continuous narrative. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 21:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
How about keeping all the general and seasonal information in this article and splitting of a single-page "Ice Road Truckers Episodes" page which appears to be the common method for other shows on WP. Lostinlodos (talk) 01:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that would be a good start. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 15:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Support I Support This, I Think They Should Be Split Into Seasons Like How House has a Season 1 page. KingRaven (>$.$)> (talk) 07:59, 2 October 2009 (UTC) <<<>>>

Ohkay, I'll split off the articles this weekend into the following:

Ice Road Truckers
List of Ice Road Truckers episodes
Then fluff them out and fet out any overlaps. Any objections? Lostinlodos (talk) 22:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Season 2?

This show seems to be pretty successful; is there any talk of season 2? --hello, i'm a member | talk to me! 07:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

History Channel aired a promo for season 2 during the season 1 finale, but they didn't announce a premiere date yet. Wl219 07:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I think if they do a second season it'd probably be in the middle of next summer. They'll start the prep work for the ice road in December, and as I understand it the actual season will start in February and depending on the weather go about 60 days. 47of74 16:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I posted an edit which was removed because it was "unverified" (whatever the heck that means?) "The History Channel has been running advertisements for Ice Road Truckers along with other shows which are planned for 2008 release." I'm not really sure how you'd verify me witnessing something with my eyes but whatever. In any case, season 2 looks pretty likely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.67.64.10 (talk) 17:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I would guess that the new rule prohibiting commercial filming, is there to protect The History Channel's rights to make the film and don't want rivals chancing a series? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.93.159 (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

How silly the previous comment is! The history channel has NO rights on filming on the road. No commercial filming will be allowed by ANYONE. Original productions made such a mess there that they and any other film crew will not be allowed back. Nmac-YK (talk) 02:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


The following sentence appears in this section: 

 "Ultimately, his insurance covers the twelve thousand dollar medical bill, although he does not have insurance"

How does HIS insurance cover the bill although HE DOES NOT have insurance? This doesn't make sense.69.41.192.218 (talk) 14:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Season 3: Cody Hyce and Carey Hall

I don't remember these two guys who are listed with the drivers for Season 3 - they certainly haven't been important regular characters and I propose that they're removed from the list. Halfabeet (talk)

Well although I do agree they weren't shown as much as the others, Cody Hyce and Carey Hall are listed in the season 3 bios: http://www.history.com/shows/ice-road-truckers/bios/season-3-truckers. So in my opinion, while they may not have been seen as often as some of the other drivers, they do still deserve to be in the list for that fact. Xearis (talk) 11:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposal to reorganize sections.

While reading the article, it occurred to me that it may be better organized to combine and move the short sections talking about the Show seasons to just below the first History section, perhaps even combining the Airdate info with the season info since it seems to be mentioned twice at times. I think this would make the article a better read, since information about the seasons would be one of the first things people would logically want to know aside from the history of how the series started. Anyone else agree that doing this would make sense? Xearis (talk) 11:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Also since the section about Ice road truckers episodes was split off perhaps the remaining text in that section should just be deleted since it adds length to the article yet isn't nearly as complete as the split off list?Xearis (talk) 11:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Add to See Also

Link to America's Toughest Jobs. Same Dalton Highway (AK 11). 137.229.91.120 (talk) 05:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand why the so called beaver slide is called thwe beaver slide since beaver do not slide. Otter slide. Unless the beaver slide on the show is referring to a vagina.

Randall Probert

Edit request from Fixmdude, 27 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} This is not a replacement, but an addition to the section about trucker Rick Yemm: During "IRT: Deadliest Roads" Season 1, during the episode aired on 10/24/2010, Rick received a call from home informing him that his 21 year old daughter, who has the terminal illness Cystic Fibrosis, is not doing well. The episode ended with Rick, in tears, considering quiting the job to return home.

Fixmdude (talk) 02:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 04:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Therealbobdole, 13 August 2011

Hugh Rowland was born September 23, 1962. He is also co-author of On Thin Ice published by Hyperion Books and is a star on the show IRT World's Deadliest Roads. Therealbobdole (talk) 01:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Avicennasis @ 02:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

How to deal with IRT Deadliest Roads (India)?

Should it be placed in between Seasons 4 and 5? Or should it be numbered season 5 and the current season numbered 6?

Should the IRT India section be expanded, or should it just have its own article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.181.197 (talk) 01:35, 14 June 2011 (UTC) IRT - Deadliest Road is definitifely a faked show.

I have been many times to India, Nepal, Pakistan and I NEVER saw even ONE foreign truck driver driving their heavy trucks on this dangerous roads. The drivers was always locals. In the IRT Deadliest Roads are the Drivers always Foreigners and the Guides are locals and they have tv teams in it and outside the trucks. It is clear that this is no for real, the whole show is a FAKE. This show is just a joke! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankyBkk (talk • contribs) 09:16, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

India is a very big country with lots of peoples you know. It's very easy to not to see 3 foreign truckers, and just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean there weren't there, you can't see everybody. Freedom Fighter 1988 (talk) 20:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Units

>Jay hauls a 17-ton water tank

Can someone clarity what a 'ton' is? It's a programme about Canada, so my first assumption would be that it refers to tonnes. On the other hand, there was a reference earlier to 'miles', so the programme might have been edited for US audiences, in which case short tons are intended. Anyway, it's unclear. Blaise (talk) 17:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Your comment/question has to rank up there with the dumbest things I've seen on Wikipedia. You're from Canada and don't know we spell it "ton"? Only the fucking dumbass media spells it "tonne." And what's with "programme"? It's "program" for fucks sake.70.72.83.190 (talk) 06:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

[Nope: It's "program" in America, "programme" in Canada (like "color" instead of the proper "colour"): IRT is in Canada with Canadians--hence 'programme'.]

When Jay was getting ready to take the huge ore scrubber on the road, the dispatcher told him it weighed 95,018 pounds. Also, all the load weights shown on screen were given in pounds; this suggests that the "tons" are in fact short tons. 71.75.251.195 (talk) 01:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

one one of the between season talkies, ALex mentioned that the show was not shown in Canada, and that the requests he had gotten for autographs were all from American's. The shown consistantly uses USA measurements (Mile Per Hour, even when the speed limit signs are in kilometers, is the most obvious example.)Childhoodtrauma (talk) 01:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

IRT Deadliest Roads season 2: south america

Is it in any way possible (or acceptable) to put spoiler tags surrounding this section - as this is currently airing for the first time in the UK on tv, and im sure that ppl watching it will not want to know what happens before they see it.

If so, can someone take care of this plz? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douts (talk • contribs) 00:41, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:NODISCLAIMERS, {{Uw-spoiler}}, TfD on spoiler -- no, it is neither possible nor acceptable to put spoiler tags on anything on Wikipedia. There's even a specific user warning for anyone doing so, {{uw-spoiler}} -- 70.24.249.190 (talk) 01:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


Ok no probs douts (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

The Tone of the Show Deserves Mention

The tone of the show should be discussed. Nobody is ever angry or frustrated or outraged; they are always "pissed." Nobody walks out; they walk their "ass" out. The whole show is dumbed down to this level. Truckdriving in cold/bad conditions is sort of interesting, but the show's producers seem to assume that their entire audience is comprised of people with a vocabulary delimited to "pissed" and "ass." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.149.170 (talk) 23:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The problem with trying to action your suggestion is that we would need to find some source that talks about the subject. Wikipedia is not IMDB so we cannot start adding our own reviews and criticisms of programmes. Whilst I agree with your observations they are POV. If you could find some source (e.g. a newspaper review) that discussed the subject then that could be reported in the article under, e.g. 'critical reception'. PRL42 (talk) 09:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Driving on the pavement?

In the description summary for season 2 (near the bottom of the page) it says this: Drew — 9; spent most of the season driving on pavement in Inuvik. This seems confusing?? How can you drive a lorry/truck on a pavement and surely you'd get arrested for doing so anyway? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xania (talk • contribs) 17:38, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

In Canada "Pavement" means asphalt. Canadians call the place where people walk the "sidewalk". In the UK "pavement" is for people only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.43.114.202 (talk) 22:43, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Lisa Kelly not coming back

Lisa Kelly announced she's not coming back for the next season on her Facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/#!/lisakellyIRT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.255.131.153 (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Excessive headings

I've removed the indexed headings from season one in order to make the index box less unwieldy. If there are no objections in the next few days I'll do the same for the other series. PRL42 (talk) 07:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

In addition, please have a look at 'Synopsis' and 'Drivers' in season one. I've used 'big' text as, although it's generally deprecated, it otherwise means that the headings do not stand out at all from enboldened words in the text. (The 'Drivers' section looked particularly odd.) Comments welcome. PRL42 (talk) 07:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I have an idea that can save truckers lives

I am 49 yrs. old w/30 yrs. structural carpentry,concrete and egineering experience. Its so simple youre going to kick yourself.there are a million ways to keep something boyant, even something like rebar for rienforcing concrete,fiberglass mesh or,even a heavy duty rebar can be floated.Alittle more costly,but it can be done. If we can build a temporary bridge over the rhine river in germany during wwII under that kind of stress and pressure,surely we can convince the dept.of transportation its value and importance. please cotact me w/a response contact removed just call me contact removed John J.[J.J.]campon thank you and happy trails. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.62.4 (talk) 22:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I have removed your contact information. Answers are always given on the talk pages. However, in this case I would point out that nobody here has anything to do with Ice Road Truckers. You need to contact the film company, one of the trucking companies or one of the governments where they are operating. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
So basically you're suggesting to build a floating bridge over every creek and lake in Canada and Alaska. Groundbreaking! BadaBoom (talk) 20:46, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Locations of roads and destinations

Would be nice if the article specified road locations (where not otherwise obvious), so readers can fire up Google Earth and have a looksy for themselves. For instance IRT Deadliest Roads Season 1 Ep. 1, the route was between Delhi via Shimla to the Nathpa Jhakri Dam in Karcham. 174.62.117.228 (talk) 08:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Nuna Logistics was responsible for the ice road in season 1. They have a good article about the road on their website at http://nunalogistics.com/clients/winter_road.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icemanxp (talk • contribs) 21:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

World's Most Dangerous Roads (BBC Television, UK)

How to include the following into this article (see also/text)

The Dalton Highway is featured as the second episode (of three) of BBC Television series "World's Most Dangerous Roads". Aired UK BBC2 Sept 4 2011. British comedienne Sue Perkins and adventure traveller Charley Boorman drive a 4x4 pickup from Whittier to Deadhorse.

The relevance to this article is that they get safety briefing from Tim ? of Carlisle trucking in Carlisle's Fairbanks yard (not acknowledged on screen, but names on trucks and hi-vis jackets etc. not blanked out and the blue trucks clearly visible), and later in the episode, Sue looses the 4x4 into a ditch while pulling over to let a truck pass and is hauled out by Jack Jesse (unacknowledged). The latter incident feels a bit staged in an attempt to gain credibility of UK fans of IRT (IRT airs on a competing commercial channel).

As yet, WMDR does not have a Wikipedia article or IMDB entry (and little else on any website, outside the BBC website, the "Honest John" motoring column of the Daily Telegraph newspaper is one of the best references http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/events/2011-08/dangerous-highways There are a few indirect textual references on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.60.169 (talk) 21:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Alexander Armstrong was up the Dalton from Fairbanks to Coldfoot in the final episode of "Land of the Midnight Sun", shown last week on ITV in the UK. I kept my eyes peeled for IRT faces when his vehicle was held up by a tanker buried deep in the scenery, but failed to spot anyone familiar. Mr Larrington (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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Todd White

Todd White was a driver featured in season one. But he is listed in the article as "support personnel" and excluded from just about every list of drivers in the article. Is there any good reasons for this? 184.21.186.73 (talk) 19:03, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

split off "Deadliest Roads"

I suggest that Ice Road Truckers#IRT: Deadliest Roads be split off into a separate article. This is a spin-off TV show, so is a different TV show from "Ice Road Truckers", and deals with different kinds of roads (not winter roads, but mountain roads. Also, as the article is fairly long, it's a logical subunit to split off. -- 65.94.40.137 (talk) 03:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Survey

Oppose - The show seemed to flop, and the show was only nominally successful due to it's relation to IRT. There is really be no reason to give this spin-off it's own article. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 08:19, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Australian TV airing

The series was shown in Australia during 2018, starting with Season 1 60.242.247.177 (talk) 04:21, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

"unsourced indecisive comment"

Hi, User:IJBall! You removed the following statement: While there was no 2018 season, there is no official word on whether the show has been cancelled or not. Please replace it so our article addresses the likely concern a reader might come to Wikipedia for: what's up with IRT? Is there a 2018 season? If not why not? Is the show cancelled? Feel free to phrase this in a way that you consider neither unsourced nor indecisive :) Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 11:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

This isn't the function of Wikipedia. Encyclopedias do not include unsourced, indefinite statements. As of now, it looks like the show has probably ended. If it is revived at a later date, that can be added to the article along with the sourcing to verify it. But, in the meantime, including the date of the last-aired original episode is appropriate, as per WP:TVLEAD. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Did I demand that you include unsourced, indefinite statements? Did I request the removal of the date of the last-aired episode? Why are you talking about the function of Wikipedia? It feels as if you're replying to a completely different post... Let's start from the beginning: do you understand my concern? Yes: then please address it in a way that satisfies your own standards, instead of me spending a lot of time on further edits, essentially playing the "guess the phrasing IJBall will let through" game. No: please ask and I shall try to explain further. Thanks CapnZapp (talk) 17:08, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
There is no confusion in IJBall's response, and he is exactly right. Wikipedia is not the place to report the unknown. If it's renewed, we report it; if it's canceled, we report it; if it's neither, we don't report it as it's obvious. And even if that quoted prose was sourced, it still doesn't belong. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:18, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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