Talk:Janneke Parrish

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BLP1E

Strikes me a little bit as WP:BLP1E. Wouldn't this fit better at Apple worker organizations##AppleToo? That article isn't very long, and both articles might benefit from the context found in the other article's contents (WP:MERGEREASON 4). DFlhb (talk) 13:11, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why this comment was ignored. The accepted draft of this article doesn't pass verifiability and was written by the connected contributor. 174.231.48.152 (talk) 14:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saying that Parrish is only notable for one event seems a bit reductive to me? While the press coverage in the article is mainly about her firing, she is also one of the leaders of the movement, and continues to be active in the Labour organising space. 91.114.67.37 (talk) 04:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTABILITY when it comes to biographies is not about the merit of a subject's contributions. It is about the encyclopedic appropriateness for Wikipedia. It's important to have these discussion, as not every subject is appropriate for a standalone article and are often more useful to readers colocated elsewhere—or not at all. Say ocean again (talk) 00:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

However, in this case, Janneke Parrish was found to be notable (ref the AfD discussion). In regards to BLP1E specifically, I was of the opinion that she did not meet condition #3: the event in question (#AppleToo) is very significant and Parrish's role in it was both substantial and well documented. CaptainAngus (talk) 00:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, the WP:LOCALCONSENSUS was that she meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines at this time. Different editors have different interpretations of policy, and some are more conservative than others. Hopefully in the future, WP:RS's cover Parrish's activities described by IP above to address the concerns around WP:BIO1E. Say ocean again (talk) 14:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cabrils made the following determination in Feb 2023:

In summary: the draft needs to establish notability based on (1) significant coverage in (2) multiple published secondary sources that are (3) reliable, (4) intellectually independent of each other, and (5) independent of the subject. Sources authored by Parish, blogs, passing mentions etc are not considered reliable sources and should be removed. In my assessment, as I previously said, Parish is only notable for 1 event. As frustrating as that may be for you, this could be a case of WP:TOOSOON.

For completeness, I should note that I am getting a sense that you may have a conflict of interest in creating this page and any WP:COI should be declared, including if you are, or know, the subject; or are being paid to create the page?

MurielMary accepted the draft in April 2023, but none of these issues had been fixed (Special:Diff/1136625720/1152448526). The creator did not declare their COI until last week. 74.76.186.176 (talk) 02:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. I am following this up. Cabrils (talk) 01:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Justification for connected contributor

The main contributor/creator of this article is @Quaoarian, who also made these edits in 2006 adding Parrish to Wikipedia: [1],[2], [3], and created the page for one of the high schools Parrish attended. The article contained unsourced details about Parrish (including one sourced to a random Reddit post). 73.231.150.97 (talk) 15:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The username is similar to the username Quouar, the author of self-publish promo from on Reddit about Parrish's book [4], which appears to be Parrish herself on other platforms. See: [5], [6], [7], and [8]. Quaoarian is the adjective of the planet Quaoar which itself is an alternate spelling of Kwawar, presumably the same pronunciation as Quouar.

@Quaoarian Do you have an undiscloded connection to Janneke Parrish? If so, please acknowledge it and follow the guidelines for edits. Also check out WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIO before continuing to edit this article. Removing cited content, particularly this edit can be considered disruptive editing. 2603:3001:27B7:8000:1C2F:2174:2D96:EE2E (talk) 14:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I would like to ask that the line about egg donations in 2017 be removed from the page, though. Discussing the subject's health history and personal reproductive desires seems a bit inappropriate for an encyclopaedic article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quaoarian (talk • contribs) 13:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you may request an edit here with your justification and preference for removal. I'd lean towards arguing it is "undue" rather than private health/reproductive preferences since there are articles more recent about the same topic. 67.40.8.114 (talk) 17:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 20 June 2024

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

In the "personal life" section - "In 2017, Parrish attempted a third round of egg donations, but was unable. She learned from her physician she was in early menopause, which causes infertility in women. She said she did not intend to have children":
This section references Parrish's personal health choices and family planning decisions. While Parrish did go viral for discussing her experience with a miscarriage, the focus of that conversation was on the response of the medical system to a normal human phenomenon, not her previous egg donations or choice to not have children. The line feels inappropriate and out of place in an encyclopaedic article:

Quaoarian (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done per WP:UNDUE 174.197.197.193 (talk) 04:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Removal of COI template

In line with WP:WTRMT, looking for any feedback or consensus on the current WP:COI template. From my current perspective, I would say the article has been thoroughly vetted by the AfD process. Every statement in the article has a source. Given all this, I would argue that the original COI concern has been addressed. Any thoughts to the contrary? Thanks! CaptainAngus (talk) 01:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the COI template per above. CaptainAngus (talk) 14:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]