Talk:Jw.org

Reconsider decission from 15 years ago

15 years ago it was correctly decided that it should be a redirect to Jehovah's Witnesses.

But a lot has happened in the last 15 years as you know. "Google, with 1.7 billion users worldwide, offers language options in 287 languages, the jw.org website, with only 8.6 million readers," provides content in 1084 language options. That is 95 languages more than 3 years ago.

The website is now notable as it's being available in over 1080 languages, including 109 sign languages, providing literature in even more languages. It has languages in which only jw.org provides written publications. It also hosts the worlds only complete Bible in American Sign Language.

Most languages are available on Wikidata too, as can seen below.

I believe that just as the Polish Wikipedia has done (here: pl:Jw.org), a stand alone page for English Wikipedia is justified.

The languages (most of them)

Angolan Sign Language, Antankarana Malagasy, Argentine Spanish, Assyrian, Azerbaijani Cyrillic alphabet, Bemba, Bolivian Guaraní, Bolivian Sign Language, Calderón Highland Quichua, Cañar Highland Quichua, Central Mnong, Chimborazo Highland Quichua, Chorote, Cubulco Achí, Curripaco, Dayak Ahe, Dayak Ngaju, Dayak Tomun, Devanagari Sindhi, Eastern Javanese, Eastern Maninkaka, El Nayar Cora, Gbagyi, Giryama, Guambiano, Guerrero Mixtec, Hmong Daw, Hmong Njua, Ignaciano, Imbabura Highland Quichua, Indian Sign Language, Jiwaka, Kadavu, Kadazan, Khorat Thai, Kimanyanga, Kituba (Democratic Republic of Congo), Kiyombe, Kokola, Kryashen, Loja Highland Quichua, Lolo, Lovari Romani, Lowland Tarahumara, Makhuwa-Marrevone, Makhuwa-Meetto, Malawi Sena, Manyawa, Mayangna, Mixtec, Ngazidja Comorian, North Marquesan, Northern Betsimisaraka Malagasy, Northern East Cree, Northern Ngbandi, Northern Pastaza Quichua, Northern Puebla Nahuatl, Papiamento of Aruba, Papiamento of curaçao, Phimbi, Rumanyo, Sakalava, Salasaca Highland Quichua, Solomon Islands Pidgin English, South Marquesan, Southern Betsimisaraka Malagasy, Southern East Cree, Southern Pastaza Quechua, Surinamese Sign Language, Tandroy, Tena Lowland Quichua, Tetun Dili, Tewe, Tulu, Tunen, Abaknon language, Abkhaz language, Abua language, Abui language, Acadian French, Achi language, Acholi dialect, Achomi language, Adamawa Fulfulde, Adhola dialect, Afar language, Afrikaans, Aguaruna language, Ahanta language, Aja language, Ajië language, Aka-Bo language, Akan language, Akatek language, Akha language, Aklanon language, Akuapem dialect, Albanian Sign Language, Albanian language, Algerian Arabic, Algonquin language, Alsatian dialect, Altai languages, Alto Pativilca–Alto Marañón–Alto Huallaga Quechua, Alur language, American Sign Language, Amharic, Amis people, Amuzgo language, Ancash Quechua, Angami language, Angolan Portuguese, Anyin language, Anāl language, Apma language, Arabic, Argentine Sign Language, Arhuaco language, Armenian Sign Language, Armenian language, Aromanian language, Arosi language, Asante dialect, Asháninka language, Assamese language, Atayal language, Auslan, Austrian Sign Language, Avar language, Avestan, Awadhi language, Awing language, Ayacucho Quechua, Aymara language, Azerbaijani language, Badaga language, Bafia language, Balinese language, Balkan Romani, Baltic Romani, Bambara language, Bamum language, Banda language, Banjarese language, Baoulé language, Bari language, Bariba language, Barí language, Basaa language, Bashkir language, Basque language, Bassa language, Batak Karo language, Batak Simalungun language, Bauro language, Belarusian language, Belizean Creole, Bemba language, Bembe language, Bengali language, Berber languages, Berom language, Bhojpuri language, Biak language, Bikol languages, Bislama, Bissa language, Blaan language, Blackfoot language, Bolo language, Bomu language, Bosnian language, Bouakako Sign Language, Brazilian Portuguese, Brazilian Sign Language, Bribri language, British Sign Language, Budza language, Bukar–Sadong language, Bukusu dialect, Bulgarian Sign Language, Bulgarian language, Bulu language, Bunak language, Bunun language, Bura language, Burmese language, Burmese Sign Language, Burundian Sign Language, Buryat language, Bushi language, Bushong language, Bété languages, Cabécar language, Cambodian Sign Language, Cameroonian Pidgin English, Canadian French, Cantonese, Cape Verdean Creole, Carib language, Carpathian Romani, Catalan language, Cebuano language, Central Alaskan Yupʼik, Central Otomi, Central Teke language, Chami language, Chamorro language, Chavacano, Chayahuita language, Chaʼpalaa language, Chechen language, Cherokee language, Chewa language, Chhattisgarhi language, Chilean Sign Language, Chimane language, Chinantec of Ojitlán, Chinese Sign Language, Chinese language, Chiquitano language, Chocho language, Choctaw language, Chokwe language, Chontal Maya language, Chopi language, Chuj language, Chuukese language, Chuvash language, Chuwabu language, Chʼol language, Circassian languages, Classical Chinese, Colombian Sign Language, Como Karim language, Cook Islands Māori, Corsican language, Costa Rican Sign Language, Cree language, creole language, Crimean Tatar language, Croatian Sign Language, Cuban Sign Language, Cubeo language, Cuzco Quechua language, Czech Sign Language, Czech language, Dagaare language, Dagbani language, Dakota language, Dan language, Dangme language, Danish Sign Language, Danish language, Dargwa language, Dari, Dendi language, Dengese language, Devanagari, Dhao language, Dholuo, Dida language, Digor Ossetian, Dinka language, Dogon languages, Drehu language, Duala language, Dungan language, Dusun language, Dutch Sign Language, Dutch language, Dyula language, Dzongkha, East Ambae language, East Teke language, Eastern Armenian, Ebira language, Ecuadorian Sign Language, Edo language, Efik language, Egyptian Arabic, Emberá languages, Enga language, English language, Erzya language, Esan language, Estonian Sign Language, Estonian language, Ethiopian sign languages, Eton language, Ewe language, Ewondo language, Falam language, Fang language, Fante dialect, Farefare language, Faroese language, Fataluku language, Feʼfeʼ language, Fijian language, Filipino Sign Language, Finnish Sign Language, Finnish language, Flemish Sign Language, Fon language, Forro Creole, French Belgian Sign Language, French Guianese Creole, French Sign Language, French language, Fuliiru language, Futunan language, Fuzhou dialect, Fwâi language, Ga language, Gagauz language, Galician language, Garhwali language, Garifuna language, Garo language, Gedeo language, Georgian Sign Language, Georgian language, German Sign Language, German language, Ghanaian Sign Language, Ghomalaʼ language, Gilbertese language, Gogo language, Gokana language, Gourmanché, Grebo language, Greek Sign Language, Greek language, Greenlandic language, Guadeloupe Creole, Guahibo language, Guarani language, Guarayu language, Guatemalan Sign Language, Guayabero language, Guaymí language, Guere language, Guerrero Nahuatl, Guevea Zapotec, Guinea-Bissau Creole, Gujarati language, Gujarati script, Gun language, Gunu language, Guro language, Gusii language, Guyanese Creole, Hadiyya language, Haitian Creole, Hakha Chin, Hakka Chinese, Halia language, Haryanvi language, Hausa language, Havu language, Hawaiian Pidgin, Hawaiian language, Hawu language, Haya language, Hebrew language, Hehe language, Hemba language, Hendo language, Herero language, Hiligaynon language, Hill Mari language, Hindi, Hindustani language, Hiri Motu, Homshetsi dialect, Honduran Sign Language, Hong Kong Sign Language, Hopi language, Huastec language, Huasteca Nahuatl, Huave language, Huichol language, Hula language, Hungarian Sign Language, Hungarian language, Hunsrik, Iaai language, Ibaloi language, Iban language, Ibanag language, Ibinda, Icelandic language, Idoma language, Ifugao language, Igala language, Igbo language, Igede language, Ijaw languages, Ilocano language, Indonesian Sign Language, Indonesian language, Inga Kichwa, Inuktitut, Irish Sign Language, Irish language, Iron Ossetian, Isan language, Isoko language, Israeli Sign Language, Isthmus Nahuatl, Italian Sign Language, Italian language, Itawis language, Itsekiri language, Iu Mien language, Ivatan language, Ixil language, Ixtlán Zapotec, Jagham language, Jakaltek language, Jamaican Patois, Jamaican Sign Language, Japanese Sign Language, Japanese language, Jarai language, Javanese language, Jeju language, Jingpo language, Jola languages, Jordanian Arabic, Juba Arabic, Kabiye language, Kabyle language, Kaingang language, Kaiwá language, Kalanga language, Kalderash Romani language, Kalenjin languages, Kalmyk Oirat, Kamayo language, Kamba language, Kambera language, Kamwe language, Kangri language, Kankanaey language, Kannada script, Kannada, Kanyok language, Kaonde language, Kapingamarangi language, Kaqchikel language, Karachay-Balkar, Karakalpak language, Karay-a language, Karu language, Kashubian language, Kazakh language, Kei language, Kele-Foma language, Kemak language, Kenyan Sign Language, Khakas language, Khana language, Khariboli, Khasi language, Khmer language, Khoekhoe language, Khorezmian Turkic, Kiga language, Kikuyu language, Kimbundu, Kinyarwanda, Kirundi, Kisi language, Kiswahili, Kituba language, Kogo language, Kokborok, Komi language, Komi-Permyak language, Kongo language, Konjo language, Konkani language, Kono language, Korean Sign Language, Korean language, Korean mixed script, Kosraean language, Koti language, Kpelle language, Kresh language, Krio language, Kuhane language, Kui language, Kuki-Chin languages, Kuman language, Kumyk language, Kuna language, Kunama language, Kunda language, Kuria language, Kurmanji, Kurukh language, Kutchi language, Kuvale language, Kuy language, Kwaio language, Kwangali language, Kwanyama, Kwaraqae language, Kwasio language, Kyrgyz language, Kʼicheʼ language, Lachiguiri Zapotec, Ladin language, Lahu language, Lak language, Lakota language, Lala-Bisa language, Lamba language, Lambadi, Lambayeque Quechua, Lambya language, Lango language, Lao language, Latgalian language, Latin, Latvian Sign Language, Latvian language, Lauan language, Lebanese Arabic, Lebanese Sign Language, Lega language, Lele language, Lele language, Lenakel language, Lendu language, Lenje language, Lezgian language, Lhasa Tibetan, Liangmai language, Liberian English, Limba language, Limbum language, Lingala, Lisu language, Lithuanian language, Logo language, Logooli language, Loma language, Lomwe language, Longuda language, Low German, Loxicha Zapotec, Luba-Kasai language, Luchazi, Luganda, Lugbara language, Lunda language, Luvale language, Luxembourgish, Maasai language, Maasina Fulfulde, Macaguán language, Macedonian language, Macushi language, Madurese language, Madí language, Maguindanao language, Maithili language, Makaa language, Makalero, Makasae language, Makhuwa language, Makhuwa-Shirima language, Makonde language, Malagasy Sign Language, Malagasy language, Malango language, Malawian Sign Language, Malay language, Malayalam, Malayo-Sumbawan languages, Malaysian Sign Language, Maltese Sign Language, Maltese language, Mam language, Mamasa language, Mambai language, Mambwe-Lungu language, Manado Malay, Mandarin Chinese, Mandeali, Manding languages, Mandinka language, Mangareva language, Mangbetu language, Manjak language, Mankanya language, Mano language, Mansi languages, Maore dialect, Mapuche language, Mara language, Maranao language, Marathi language, Mari language, Maroua Sign Language, Marshallese language, Matengo language, Mauritian Creole, Mauritian Sign Language, Mawé language, Mayo language, Mazahua language, Mazatecan languages, Mbala language, Mbama language, Mbangala language, Mbo language, Mbukushu language, Mbunda language, Mbyá Guaraní language, Medan Hokkien, Medumba language, Meitei language, Meitei script, Melpa language, Mende language, Mentawai language, Meru language, Mesopotamian Arabic, Metaʼ language, Mewari language, Mexican Sign Language, Mi'kmaq language, Mingrelian language, Miskito language, Mixe languages, Mixtec languages, Mixtecan languages, Mizo language, Moba language, Mohawk language, Mokilese language, Moksha language, Momogun language, Mongo language, Mongolian Sign Language, Mongolian language, Mongolian script, Moniga language, Montenegrin language, Mooré, Moose Cree language, Mopan language, Moroccan Arabic, Moru language, Motu language, Mozambican Portuguese, Mozambican Sign Language, Mundang language, Mundari language, Musey language, Mwanga language, Māori language, Nadroga dialect, Nafsan language, Naga languages, Nagamese Creole, Nagpuri language, Nama language, Namakura language, Nambya language, Namibian Sign Language, Namosi-Naitasiri-Serua language, Nancowry language, Nande language, Natügu language, Naueti language, Nauruan language, Navajo language, Ndali language, Ndau dialect, Ndonga, Ndyuka language, Nenets languages, Nengone language, Nepali Sign Language, Nepali language, New Zealand Sign Language, Newar language, Nga La language, Ngambay language, Nganguela language, Ngbaka languages, Ngiemboon language, Ngombale language, Ngombe language, Nheengatu language, Nias language, Nicaraguan Sign Language, Nicobarese languages, Nigerian Fulfulde, Nigerian Pidgin, Nigerian Sign Language, Niuean language, Nivaclé language, Njebi language, Nkore language, Nkoya language, North Efate language, Northern Embera language, Northern Ndebele language, Northern Pwo language, Northern Romani dialects, Northern Sotho, Northern Sámi, Northern Thai language, Northern Zazaki, Northwestern Otomi, Norwegian Sign Language, Norwegian language, Nsenga language, Nuer language, Nukumanu language, Nukuoro language, Numèè language, Nyakyusa language, Nyaneka language, Nyiha language, Nyole language, Nyungwe language, Nyâlayu language, Nzema language, Obolo language, Odia language, Ogiek language, Ojibwe language, Okpe language, Orokaiva language, Oromo language, Ossetian language, Ovambo language, Oʼodham language, Pa'O language, Paamese language, Paicî language, Paiwan language, Pakpak language, Palauan language, Palikúr language, Pamona language, Panamanian Sign Language, Pangasinan language, Papel language, Papua New Guinean Sign Language, Paraguayan Sign Language, Pashto, Pemon language, Pende language, Pennsylvania Dutch language, Persian language, Peruvian Sign Language, Phu Thai language, Piaroa language, Pilagá language, Pitjantjatjara dialect, Pohnpeian language, Polish Sign Language, Polish language, Pomeranian language, Poqomchiʼ language, Portuguese Sign Language, Portuguese language, Pular language, Punjabi language, Punu language, Purépecha language, Puyuma language, Páez language, Quanzhou dialects, Quebec Sign Language, Quiatoni Zapotec, Quiavicuzas Zapotec, Qʼanjobʼal language, Qʼeqchiʼ language, Raga language, Rapa Nui language, Romani language, Romanian Sign Language, Romanian language, Romano-Greek, Romano-Serbian language, Romansh language, Ronga language, Rongmei language, Rotuman language, Roviana language, Rukai language, Rumelian Romani, Russian Sign Language, Russian language, Rusyn language, Ruund language, Rwandan Sign Language, Réunion Creole, S'gaw Karen language, Saint Lucian Creole, Saluan language, Salvadoran Sign Language, Samburu language, Samoan Sign Language, Samoan language, Sanga language, Sanga language, Sangir language, Sango language, Santali language, Santiagueño Quechua, Sar language, Saramaccan language, Sarangani language, Sarnami Hindustani, Sasak language, Scottish Gaelic, Seediq language, Sehwi language, Senufo languages, Serbian Sign Language, Serbian language, Serbo-Croatian, Serer language, Seychelles Sign Language, Seychellois Creole, Shahmukhi, Shan language, Shanghainese, Shipibo language, Shiwiar language, Shona language, Shuar language, Shughni language, Sichuanese dialects, Sidama language, Sierra Otomi, Sierra Popoluca, Silesian language, Sindhi languages, Sindhi language, Singapore Sign Language, Sinhala language, Sinte Romani, Slovak Sign Language, Slovak language, Slovene language, Slovenian Sign Language, Soli language, Somali language, Songe language, Soninke language, Sorani, Sotho language, South African Sign Language, South Azerbaijani language, South Bolivian Quechua, Southern Min, Southern Ndebele language, Southern Thai language, Southwestern Mandarin, Spanish Sign Language, Spanish language, Sranan Tongo, Standard Chinese, Sudanese Arabic, Sukuma language, Sundanese language, Sundargadi Odia, Suret language, Surigaonon language, Surinamese Dutch, Susu language, Svan language, Swahili language, Swampy Cree language, Swazi language, Swedish Sign Language, Swedish language, Swiss German, Swiss-German Sign Language, Syrian Arabic, Taabwa language, Tabasaran language, Tabaá Zapotec, Tagalog language, Tahitian language, Tairuma language, Taita language, Taiwan Sign Language, Tajik language, Talian dialect, Talysh language, Tamang language, Tamil language, Tammari language, Tangkhul language, Tanzanian sign languages, Tarahumara language, Tarok language, Tat language, Tatar language, Tausug language, Tedim language, Telugu language, Tem language, Temne language, Teochew Min, Terêna language, Teso language, Tetela language, Tetum language, Thai Sign Language, Thai Song language, Thai language, Ticuna language, Tigrinya language, Tii language, Tilantongo Mixtec, Tiv language, Tlapanec language, Tlaxcala–Puebla Nahuatl, Toaripi language, Toba Batak language, Toba Qom language, Tojolabʼal language, Tok Pisin, Tokelauan language, Tolai language, Tonga language, Tonga language, Tonga language, Tongan language, Tooro language, Toraja-Saʼdan language, Torres Strait Creole, Totonac languages, Toʼabaita language, Trinidad and Tobago Sign Language, Tshwa language, Tsong language, Tsonga language, Tswana language, Tucano language, Tumbuka language, Tunisian Arabic, Tunumiisut, Tupuri language, Turkana language, Turkish Sign Language, Turkish language, Turkmen language, Tuvaluan language, Tuvan language, Twi, Tzeltal language, Tzotzil language, Tzʼutujil language, Uab Meto language, Udmurt language, Ugandan Sign Language, Ukrainian Sign Language, Ukrainian language, Umbundu, Urdu, Urhobo language, Uruguayan Sign Language, Uyghur language, Uzbek language, Venda language, Venezuelan Sign Language, Vietnamese language, Vietnamese sign languages, Vlax Romani language, Võro language, Wa language, Waama language, Waima language, Waimoa language, Wallisian language, Wanga language, Wanka Quechua, Wapishana language, Warao language, Waray language, Wayuu language, Wejewa language, Welsh language, Wenzhounese, West African Pidgin English, West Frisian language, Western Armenian, Western Pwo language, Western Tlacolula Valley Zapotec, Wichí languages, Wolaitta language, Wolof language, Woods Cree, Xavante language, Xhosa language, Xârâcùù, Yaka language, Yakut language, Yakö language, Yala language, Yami language, Yansi language, Yao language, Yapese language, Yaqui language, Ye'kuana language, Yemba language, Yong language, Yoruba language, Yuanga language, Yucatec Maya language, Yue Chinese, Yukpa language, Zambian Sign Language, Zande language, Zarma language, Zaza language, Zimbabwean sign languages, Zotung language, Zulu language, Äiwoo language

A few sources to take from

• 989 languages on 27-9-2019
• What is the World's Most Translated Website? December 18, 2023 (updates through the years)

To quote atlaslocalization.com :

It’s not particularly surprising that the website offering the most language options in the world is focused on religious teachings rather than commercial purposes. This is because people view jw. org as a source of religious revelation and seek to spread it to the entire world. It is understandable that a faith that wants to spread all over the world should be found in every language.

Now, I hear you all think.. here's a JW that wants to promote their website. And you would basically be right. I am a Jw and i do want to promote our website, so I say it up front, that I won't want to write the article, as to "keep my bias out". That can be read above here.

But I do hope you guys agree, that there is enough notability for it to become a page on itself now.

Kind regards,  Rodejong  💬 ✉️  21:37, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

No. As stated at the JW WikiProject talk page, an article about the website itself would be promotional. (And that was before I saw your admission here that you are trying to promote the site.) Very inappropriate. Also, your characterisation of the site as 'notable' on the basis that it is 'translated into a lot of languages' is not Wikipedia's basis for 'notability'. Additionally, the claim that the site is the 'most translated' is misleading because it is not the case that everything on the site is available in all the languages; for many of the languages, only a small subset of the site's content is available, and many redirect to an English page with a very limited number of publications available for download in the target language..--Jeffro77 Talk 01:31, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

It's actually not misleading at all. It's never said that it translates all the pages. But the core language of the website is translated. It's the same with Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is translated in about 290 languages. But that is the core languages that you can choose in your preferences, as well as visit separately under wikipedia.org

Try a Greenlandic Wikipedia, or another little one with few pages. And others who are mostly copy pasting articles from other wiki's by bots and basically Google Translate everything.

The website's core pages have been translated in over 1080 languages. But some aren't translated, but still offer literature in languages that the website can't be, like Electronic Braille.

There are 109 Sign languages available, which all contain video's in sign language.

So by your statement, we have to believe that Wikipedia is not translated into 290 languages, as not all the pages are translated in other languages.

Now I do not want to argue about this, but I feel that if you make a claim, make it stick. And I know your pov towards the witnesses. We're standing on totally opposite sides. But that's why I posted it here, in stead of just writing it and getting you on my neck :-)

I wish you a good evening, and perhaps others view it differently. Or not! In any case, I gave it a shot. Kind regards,  Rodejong  💬 ✉️  02:14, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

False comparison and false equivocation. It is not clear where your statement that "Wikipedia is translated in 290 languages" is drawn from. Wikipedia has content in a number of languages (326), but there is no claim that 'the Wikipedia site is translated into 290 languages'. And it still isn't the basis for notability. (Also, the use of a third-party tool such as Google Translate is not relevant to the number of languages in which a site itself is translated by the publisher.) The claim that "The website's core pages have been translated in over 1080 languages" also remains false, as many actually provide an English page with English menus, with just a small amount of content or just some downloadable files, in the target language. So, if you just mean that translating the 'core interface' constitutes translation of the site, that still isn't true of the claim about 1080 languages for the JW website.--Jeffro77 Talk 02:20, 31 December 2023 (UTC)