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This_is_madness

Seriously, why did you remove all that info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.119.152.45 (talk) 23:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


"Theory" ?? GET REAL

I don't know a polite way to say this, so I wont even try : Anyone who claims "Bilderberg" is a so-called "theory" simply doesn't live in the real World and does not know anything about the subject they are commenting on . Please be quiet and listen while the grown-ups talk about reality .

If WIKI deletes this entry I will NEVER trust WIKI again as this would prove beyond doubt that WIKI engages in political propaganda .

Question to Danish PM Anders Fogh Rasmussen (V) in the Danish "Folketinget" (Parliament) from Mp Per Clausen (EL) http://www.folketinget.dk/Samling/20072/spoergsmaal/S1778/index.htm

"Does the PM agree with the former Minister of the Environment, whom in a response to question #S 2291 in "Folketingsåret" (Parliamentary year) 2004/2005 2. session answered that : " All attendees at the Bilderberg-meetings are invited as private persons and not as representatives of Nations, Governments or organisations" ?


Question to Danish PM Anders Fogh Rasmussen (V) in the Danish "Folketinget" (Parliament)from Mp Per Clausen (EL) on 24/11 08 http://www.folketinget.dk/Samling/20081/spoergsmaal/S539/index.htm : "Will the PM (Anders Fogh Rasmussen) initiate an investigation into how it could happen that the minutes from the Bilderberg-group meeting he attended in 2003 has disappeared from "Statsministeriet" (The Danish PM's office)?" This is so bad that even Danish news-paper "Politiken", whos editor-in-chief Toger Seidenfaden [[1]] is both a frequent Bilderberg-attendee and a member of The Trilateral Commissions Executive Committee had to run the story ..

Please note that these links take you straight to the Danish Parliaments OFFICIAL WEBSITE .. Also note that one of the reasons for the questions is that it appears the Danish tax-payers payed the PM's expenses related to the "private" meeting .. Just as it's the tax-payers who pick up the massive security-bill for this "private" meeting of people who mostly are not "private citizens" but elected officials and/or appointed civil servants . These people of course do not participate in anything as "private citizens" .. "Theory" ?? Are you out of your minds or do you just work for the TIA [[2]] ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.168.181 (talk) 14:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


~Maybe it's not wikipedia the one who's doing this. Maybe there are some politics...or Rockefellas. Don't know...

Clue to who may want this page gone

Jimmy, I think someone in the CIA wants this page gone. Even so, you might want to sue the Rockerfeller family on this or put the possible deletion of this page to a vote.96.3.72.93 (talk) 04:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

attendees by year

i think it would be a good idea to include a list of attendees by year grtz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.53.88.129 (talk) 19:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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Gerhard Schröder (German attendee)

I am not sure if the Gerhard Schröder mentioned in the list is the right person: The former Chancellor Schröder finished his law studies in 1971, the year which is given for his attendance of the Bilderberg conference. In my opinion it would not make much sense that such a young man, who was not playing an important role in Germany at that time, would be chosen to take part in the conference. It seems more likely to me that the Gerhard Schröder who took part in this conference was the powerful CDU politician (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der_%28CDU%29), who was in charge of several important offices during the 60s (and therefore more eligible). Could anyone prove my assumption, please? (sorry if my usage of the English language is sometimes a bit curious...) 91.11.241.59 (talk) 19:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


The Gerhard Schröder referred to who actually attended the 1971 conference was in fact the former CDU Foreign Minister and later Defence Minister. It's only a coincidence they both happen to share the same name. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|Damian Thorne (talk) 07:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)]] comment added by Damian Thorne (talk • contribs) 06:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Brian Mulroney- possible Canadian attendee?

This was the Prime Minister who dealed with NAFTA and free trade, along with bringing Canada fully into the G7. I was wondering if anyone here knows whether or not he attended? (many other less prominant Canadian figures have already attended). Creamycoffee (talk) 06:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


Sorry to disappoint you, Creamycoffee, but unfortunately, Mulroney never attended Bilderberg. Why he didn't attend the '83 meeting in Montebello is beyond me. The Canadian Prime Ministers who did attend through the years were Lester Pearson, Pierre Trudeau, Jean Chretien, Paul Martin and current PM Stephen Harper. In addition to Mulroney, the other Canadian PM's who never attended were John Diefenbaker (he was a Freemason), Joe Clark (he was a member of the Trilateral Commission), John Turner (he's a Rhodes Scholar) and Kim Campbell (she attended the Renaissance Weekend). Mulroney was involved with the Carlyle Group and is also on the International Advisory Board of the Council on Foreign Relations. Damian Thorne (talk) 01:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Please try and reference and date all people!

I can see people have been adding dates which is a good, but there really needs to be references for everything. Chendy (talk) 12:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Beyond Garbage

Seriously Chuck Norris isn't royalty. Typical wikiality crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.173.111 (talk) 22:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Swiss Politics

It would be more correct to alter former or current president of the Swiss Confederation to just Swiss Federal Counsellor. Every Counsellor gets president in turn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.56.158.172 (talk) 15:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I do not think we should delete this article

My friend told me about this so I decided to talk about this. We need the list of bilderberg attendees because it had to come from a source. So we can't just shut this down. Please wikipedia gods, don't let this be shut down. This needs to be preserved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.155.252 (talk) 04:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

We do not live in 1984

I am absolutely against the deletion of this page; deleting this would confirm the move towards a 1984-like society. We have already lost many of our liberties since the patriot act. Clearly, the Bilderberg is very real, deleting the Bilderberg attendee list would send chills through my spine as it would confirm the controlled paradigm we are being forced to live in. The whole beauty of Wikipedia is that it is supposed to be "free", people must be allowed to see this information, censorship is the premise of the dictator and autocrat. The mere idea that one would "clean" and "forbid" information is just outrageous. I sincerely hope Wikipedia will come back to its senses and will not consider 1984-style practices. <

First, I don't see a tag about deleting this article. Second, all information in wikipedia articles should be sourced. Someone got those names from somewhere and they should list where they got them from. I'm not going to bother to watch or edit the article, but FYI. Giving the sparse sourcing, there might well be grounds for deleting the article. CarolMooreDC (talk) 12:55, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Would all of the Alex Jones fans take off their tin foil hats? Like just about everything else on his website the article about this entry being up for deletion is untrue. There is no "deletion tag" on this article. It's just another publicity stunt to get people to go to his website. The7thdr (talk) 05:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
The list has been shortened drastically in the last 2 days. Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Bilderberg_attendees&oldid=270692374
If you will forgive me for saying so, why than not put the names back in the list? If they can be reliably referenced there is nothing stopping you. This might be more constructive than coming here like many Alex Jones listeners, whining that there is some strange Jewish (sorry, of course no one from "Info wars" is anti-semitic; I meant Zionist) conspiracy? The7thdr (talk) 04:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Let me be clear to everyone here: If Wiki deletes this entry or starts deleting names, I will NEVER trust Wiki again, and it will confirm the CIA, FBI, HS, Mossad, and other government operatives are strongly active on wikipedia. I don't care if you claim we are crazy, or whatever, the Bilderberg is VERY REAL and it is just outrageous the mainstream media does not cover their meetings and claims they don't exist. It is just outrageous! >
Again, 1 - there is no deletion tag, 2 - wiki is open source, it means anyone can edit it - including you (there are no "gods of WIKI" as someone else said) 3 No one said that there is no Bilderberg group - it actually has its own entry. Calm down and contribute to the article instead. If you can find reliable references to attendees - there are many if you look - add them  :) The7thdr (talk) 23:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


Sources for Icelandic people who have gonme to bilderberg meetings

Okay i can source a few from iceland(where i live)qoutes from senators and the now sitting president of iceland about some members of the parlament going to biderberg and denying to say what happend there. Now is the offical site of the icelandic goverment a bad source?


Ferill Benedikts Gröndals ætlar að verða eindæma rislítill. En hvers er annars að vænta? Í dag situr sá maður í stól forsrh. þjóðarinnar sem fyrir fáeinum mánuðum vildi sleppa bandarískum hermönnum lausum út um allt íslenskt þjóðlíf, fyrir fáeinum víkum gekk erinda norskra krata og ætlaði að fórna hagsmunum Íslendinga á Jan Mayen-svæðinu og fyrir fáeinum dögum flutti Alþ. skýrslu um nýjan minnisvarða betlilundar gagnvart bandaríska hernum, svokallaða flugstöð, sem er í reynd nýtt vígbúnaðarmannvirki í þágu NATO. Það er kannske við hæfi að slíkur maður sé forsrh. þeirrar dúkkustjórnar sem umboðshafi Bilderberg-reglunnar á Íslandi, formaður Sjálfstfl., setur á fót, enda sýndi ræða hv. þm. Geirs Hallgrímssonar hér í dag að hann telur sig greinilega hafa húsbóndavaldið yfir Alþfl.

This is the now sitting icelandic preisdent on a debate on the parlament of althingi asking Geirs Hallgrímssonar why he is going to the blidenberg without tellking anything about it

So Geir Hallgrímsson a ex prime minister of iceland went to bliderberg and this comes from the offical site of the icelandic goverment from the now sitting president Ólafur Ragnar Grímmson

Another qoute from the now icelandic president when he was a eleteced senator

Ég biðst því á engan hátt afsökunar á því sem ég sagði um ræðu hv. þm. Geirs Hallgrímssonar og Bilderberg-klúbb hans,formaður Sjálfstfl.

I make no aplogy about what said about the speech about Geir Hallgrímsson and his bilderberg club, because the leader of sjálfstæðisflokkinum

Það er kannske við hæfi að slíkur maður sé forsrh. þeirrar dúkkustjórnar sem umboðshafi Bilderberg-reglunnar á Íslandi, formaður Sjálfstfl., setur á fót, enda sýndi ræða hv. þm. Geirs Hallgrímssonar hér í dag að hann telur sig greinilega hafa húsbóndavaldið yfir Alþfl.

It is maby apporiate that a man like (Geir Hallgrímsson) is the respenrtive of the shadow controlling Bilderberg r group, it showed that the speech that Geir Hallgrímsson made today shows that he thinks he controls the goverment(alþingi)

Source? Now icelandic preisdent Ólafur ragnar grímsson in a debate in the year 1979 taken from the offical site of the icelandic goverment which keeps records of all speches in the parlament online.

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Butcer (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Source that shows that the prime minister of iceland Geir Hoorde went to bilderberg , taken from the offical site of the icelandic goverment, in a speech made by Steingrímur Hermannsson who was the prime minister at the time

Hins vegar væri mjög fróðlegt að skoða miklu betur það sem kom fram hér áðan um utanlandsferðir hjá hv. þm. Geir Haarde og reyndar hef ég látið draga saman upplýsingar um það sem ég vil mjög gjarnan að verði athugaðar. Um þetta gilda hinar ólíkustu reglur erlendis. Það er rétt að hér hefur verið greiddur kostnaður af ferðum ráðherra á fundi ýmissa pólitískra samtaka, jafnvel hálfpólitískra eins og Bilderberg-klúbbsins og fleira.

http://www.althingi.is/altext/112/r2/2015.html


A source that Björn Bjarnasson a elected repsentive attendted bilderberg meetings

Í öðru lagi væri gaman að fá útskýringar frá Birni Bjarnasyni á því hvernig t.d. Bilderberg-klúbburinn vinnur í þágu hins góða í heiminum. Ekki getur það verið neitt leyndarmál langtímum saman hvernig góðverk eru unnin, öfugt við illvirki sem eru að líkindum alla jafna skipulögð með leynd og reynt að viðhalda þeirri leynd um alla framtíð. Á Bilderberg-fundi mæta, auk forystumanna úr Sjálfstæðisflokknum, t.d. bæði Egil Mycklebust og Eivind Reiten, mennirnir sem ríkisstjórnin og leiðtogi Alþýðubandalagsins í Neskaupstað hafa valið til að bjarga Íslandi. Varla hafa slíkir höfðingjar mikið að fela.

http://murinn.is/eldra_b.asp?nr=254&gerd=Frettir&arg=2 more sources

Source that shows that BJörn Bendiksson( the father of Björn Bjarnasson now diseased was a higly respected elected resperntive in Iceland)

Askja 2-40 Ráðstefnur / Meetings 1957-1970 Ráðstefnur m.a North Atlantic Commynity 1957. 

Bilderberg Meetings 1965, 1970 o.fl.

http://www.rvk.is/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-2971/4742_view-453/ tHE OFFICAL site of captial of iceland (reykjavík) Source from the blog that Björn Bjarnasson uses every day (whos a elected respenrtive in congress) where he says that he went to a blidererg group with Geir Hallgrímssýni in althingi Björn Bjarnasson where he talks about when he went to a bliderberg mettin with Geir Hallgrimssyni

Tómas Á. Tómasson, þáverandi sendiherra Íslands í New York, bauð okkur Geir Hallgrímssyni, þáverandi forsætisráðherra, uppi í annan tvíburaturnanna, þegar við vorum á heimleið af Bilderberg-fundi, sem var haldinn skammt frá Princeton, og höfðum nokkra klukkutíma í New York.

http://www.bjorn.is/pistlar/nr/697

Butcer (talk) 21:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Your above presentation is long and rambling, mostly impossible to follow. A better way to present things would be to present the individual you want added to the list, a link to the citation, and a short quote from the citation. For example:
  • Example Person, [4], "Example Person attended the 1972 Bilderberg conference."
Can you please present your proposed additions like that? Hipocrite (talk) 21:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Added the Icelandic politcan with sources that are 100% concrete and are all taken from websites that the icelandic goverment owns expect one and that is the blog of the politcan who went to bilerberg where he talks about going to that meeting (bjorn.is) Butcer (talk) 00:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

It is said that Geir H. Haarde, former PM of Iceland has atttended Bilderberg meetings. The reference is about completely unrelated subject. It is about a query to the then PM about travel expenses that Mr. Haarde made in the parliment. The then PM Hermannsson answeres Mr. Haarde, and names Bilderberg, but in relation to "some ministers". Haarde did not become a minister until 9 years later. Please remove his name or add rightful references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.158.118.188 (talk) 17:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Obama 2008 meeting with Bilderberg?

if any one has seen the film 'The Obama Deception' you know what i'm talking about 139.135.124.151 (talk) 09:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

No Asian members?

You can't take over the world today without Asians. Seriously Icelandics are on the list, but not Chinese or Indians? What up wit dat?Geo8rge (talk) 18:50, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Clean up

In an attempt to clean up the article on the Bilderberg Group, I've created a this 'List of Bilderberg attendees' page. The idea is to remove the long lists of attendees, and the attendent list of references, to a separate page. Thus far I have moved 'EU Commissioners'. In this way, I hope the main article can focus on the nature of the Group, and perhaps a few key members, leaving wrangling over detail to an auxiliary list. I guess there may have been up to a thousand attendees by now, many of who are notable in their particular field. However, we cannot list them all in the main article, or it will dwarf the descriptive part of the text.

To those who protest that the existence of a 'Bilderberg Group' is an unproven conspiracy theory, or a subject of no general interest, I can only say that, initially, I have added no new information, only split out a list from an existing article tagged with a cleanup notice, in an attempt to clean it up. - Crosbiesmith 22:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

See Jon Ronson's book "Them" for some other Bilderberg attendees -- including Theresa Heinz Kerry's ex-husband, I believe. When I get ahold of the book again I'll add something, unless someone gets to it first.

Does the year in parentheses after a persons name indicate the year of attendance? If so "Pierre Trudeau (2003), Canadian Prime Minister, 1968 - 1984" is incorrect as Trudeau died in 2000.

"Paul Gigot" is not a "UK Cabinet Minister"!

To all conspiracists: Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands could not, in any way, affect politics in the Netherlands or anywhere else, since she has no political power whatsoever. It is, however, a reason to hold these conferences in private, since she is forbidden by dutch law to be publicly involved in politics, and I expect other attendees would also like to share their ideas in private for a change. A conspiracy? Then it would be a rather useless one. Λυομαι Luomai 08:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC) Sorry, untrue. Queen Beatrix holds considerable power over who gets to form new coalition governments. She takes part in the Council of State and speaks her mind frankly to the PM and other ministers when she sees them. Her opinion weighs quite heavily. This can be concluded from a whole host of Dutch articles about the House of Orange and our monarchy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.3.90.222 (talk) 19:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


As we can find out from the main page for the Bilderberg Group, each year about 100-120 persons of public interest participate in this conference. I agree that a list of participants blows up the article quite a lot, however, having a single page for the attendants of (potentially) all conference will produce a list with more than 1000 names easily. I suggest instead of merging lists for single years into a potentially ever growing list to branch out pages for attendance lists for single years, as at least the last 10 to 20 years of this conference have been investigated a lot. Lord Chao 10:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

2009 List of Bilderberg Attendees

Paul Dorneanu of Romania posted a list of attendees from the 2009 Bilderberg conference. http://www.infocon.ro/stiri/2009/05/bilderberg_2009_-_lista_participantilor-20090518-192.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.188.113.180 (talk) 18:09, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

That is not a reliable source. Hipocrite (talk) 18:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Prominent Figures

We would be better putting here the most important people only. Then in each page of each meeting (I created 29909, and someone else added 2003 and 2007) we would add all participants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echofloripa (talk • contribs) 00:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

File:Bilderberg participants.jpg

File:Bilderberg participants.jpg claims to be sourced from "http://www.dynbase.net/". That website is dead, and there is no indication that it is a reliable source (no indication of where this alleged document came from). If such an unsourced image from no attributable source is acceptable, then surely any miscreant could fake a document (with their favourite list of "evildoers" on it) and Wikipedia would blithely accept it for any old article. So I propose this image can't be relied upon, has no real source, and should be removed. 87.115.168.96 (talk) 22:32, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, it has been removed on this basis.—Teahot (talk) 14:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Royalty

Why is the late Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands listed as "royalty" but King Juan Carlos I of Spain is not? --BarendCanada (talk) 05:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

publicintelligence.net

If it is RS enough to use about people then obviously we can use it to describe the group, right? It says:

"What is unique about Bilderberg as a forum is the broad cross-section of leading citizens that are assembled for nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussion about topics of current concern cspecially in the fields of foreign affairs and the international economy; the strong feeling among participants that in view of the differing attitudes and experiences of the Western nations, there remains a clear need to further develop an understanding in which these concerns can be accommodated; the privacy of the meetings, which has no purpose other than to allow participants to speak their minds openly and freely. Tn short, Bildcrberg is a small, flexible, informal and off-the-record international forum in which different viewpoints can bc expressed and mutual understanding enhanced, Bilderberg’s only activity is its annual Conference." Dougweller (talk) 05:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Birgit Breuel/Helmut Kohl

Hello all, I read through the protocol of the Bilderberg conference 1980, and I see that the names of Birgit Breuel (then minister of education in Lower Saxony, later head of the Treuhand) and Helmut Kohl (well-known to everybody) are not on the list, I suggest to add them. Thank you.145.64.134.221 (talk) 14:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you find a reliable source? Dougweller (talk) 15:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

references

please could people reference the names. there are lots of valid/solid references out there. for the year issue, people should put year to indicate attendance.

1954-2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/30945050/23247205-Bilderberg-Conference-Public-Participant-List-1954-2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.120.64.178 (talk) 18:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Walter Bedell Smith

Smith was never a White House Chief of Staff. He was General (Not President) Eisenhower's Chief of Staff when Ike was CIC of SHAEF. He was never an ambassador to the Soviet Union. Just look at his biography here on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.159.71.1 (talk) 18:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Sources looked dodgy anyway, so I've removed it for the time being. - Crosbiesmith (talk) 21:14, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Independent article used as source for 2010

It says 'according to press leaks' and also cited a Spanish newspaper which is claiming that someone who is now in Asia is also at Bilderberg, which makes me doubt the rest of the names. I don't think press leaks and a newspaper which puts someone in Spain who is in Asia (it seems) is a very good source. Dougweller (talk) 23:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Bilderbergmeetings.org is not a reliable source

At least not that we know. ×××BrightBlackHeaven(talk)××× 17:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Why is that? It is said to be the official website, and official websites are sources? -- Kistano (talk) 15:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

See here: Talk:Bilderberg_Group#.3F ×××BrightBlackHeaven(talk)××× 21:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Herman Van Rompuy

Herman Van Rompuy visited the bilderberggroup before being elected president of the EU. I don't have any references but there are plenty online, and in newspapers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas271104 (talk • contribs) 10:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org is really the official website?

Does any member of Billdelberg group has confirmed this is the website official of the Billdelberg group? It seems totally a fake, it has errors in its list, the design is too poor, the disclaimer and policy statement are not usual and it has no identification data. Why an enciclopedy show this without contrast it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.116.185.15 (talk) 10:38, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, Robin Ramsay (editor) says it's their website. [5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 13:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Bill Gates

The followings source is provided for the claim Bill Gates attended this year:

  • "Bill Gates hablará sobre energía y cómo combatir la pobreza en Club Bilderberg". 20 minutos (in Spanish). June 5, 2010. Retrieved June 5, 2010.

The source is in Spanish. I doubt the claim, but I'm unfamiliar with 20 minutos and I can't speak Spanish. - Crosbiesmith (talk) 12:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

A machine translation suggestions the story was Gates' intention to present, not that he did actually. I will remove the claim shortly unless there is additional information. - Crosbiesmith (talk) 12:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Black people

Are there any black people in the list? This information may have to be explicitly included. --Leladax (talk) 19:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Vernon Jordan isn't on the Wiki list but did attend. [6] He may also have been a steering committee member. - Crosbiesmith (talk) 19:23, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and Powell. Why do you ask? - Crosbiesmith (talk) 19:26, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Because obviously there's a Royalty bias in the participants; I was wondering if it has progressed a lot towards non 'white blonde royalty' the last years. --Leladax (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Can't verify this source Geschiedenis: Bilderberg-conferentie

Source for Maxime Verhagen and others, number 55 at the moment, doesn't seem to have any names. Am I missing somethinng? Dougweller (talk) 13:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Unsupported inclusion: Ross Blair

The addition of Ross Blair to the list may have been an error.

  • The organisation to which Ross Blair is attributed membership is fictitious.
  • The cited and linked reference does not support the claim, nor even mention anyone by the name of Ross Blair.
  • The contributor has also made edits to the page of RMJM architects. Other sources indicate that there is an architect named Ross Blair at RMJM in Glasgow, Scotland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.186.251 (talk) 00:17, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Looks like vandalism to me

"Ross Blair (1999, 2003, 2008, 2010),[1] Architect, INGSOC" looks like vandalism to me Brownturkey (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


What about Italy?

Tremonti, an italian minister, participated to the 2010 meeting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.50.232.69 (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Dishearten11, 13 June 2011

David Rockefeller is NOT included on here and he is a frequent attendee please put him on the list. Dishearten11 (talk) 10:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Odd, I've added him but not all the dates he attended. Dougweller (talk) 10:39, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Gkamov, 16 June 2011

The link to the Bulgarian participant Nikolai Kamov is invalid. The current link points to a Russian aviation engineer with the same name. The correct link should be [this one].

Gkamov (talk) 12:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Done - since there is no article here in EnWp, it's a redlink. Avicennasis @ 16:56, 16 Sivan 5771 / 18 June 2011 (UTC)

President Obama

Why is President Obama's name not under the names of presidents visiting the Bilderberg meetings anymore? If I am not mistaken, I think the year was 2009. Interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.129.137.244 (talk) 09:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Because he didn't attend is probably the reason. We aren't going to argue that here unless you can find reports of his attendance in the major media, not fringe sites. Dougweller (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

New source

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23247205/Bilderberg-Conference-Public-Participant-List-1954-2009 what do you think about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.233.215.70 (talk) 12:52, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

It's unsourced, so we can't use it I'm afraid (just a side note, that site has a lot of copyvio). Even with a source we couldn't be sure it hasn't been changed. Dougweller (talk) 15:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Angela Merkel

German cancelor, shall been there in 2002. 77.4.100.185 (talk) 15:09, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

New Zealand

John Key current prime minister of NZ appeared on the page in the New Zealand section as a bilderberger attendee. There were no references provided. None have been provided after several weeks. There was a person posting a link to the NZ section of this article on several forums at approximately the same time the section was created. It appears this person was engaged in disinformation for reasons known only to themselves. All you need is one reliable reference. Is it really that hard?

There were no other addendees in the section. I have removed it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Pelerin_Society — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.55.167 (talk) 22:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, his name does not appear on the list of participants that has been used for other attendees of the 2011 meeting. __meco (talk) 07:20, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Fritz Teufel

The name of the former prime minister of Baden-Wurttemberg is Erwin Teufel. Not Fritz Teufel. This could be an error if he is really the person who is meant.

Fritz Teufel is a well-known political prankster. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 14:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

NON PARTICIPATING COUNTRIES

Seems Israel and African countries have never been part of these meetings — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.190.90.249 (talk) 17:40, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

No country is represented, just individuals representing themselves. Dougweller (talk) 18:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

BilderbergMeetings.org ?

Is BilderberMeetings.org (link) a usable reference? They release a full list of attendees every year. 2010 2009 2008 ...well, for the last 3 years anyway bot337 (talk) 13:37, 16 February 2010 (EST)

Certainly it is.Tillander 23:14, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Is that site even genuine? Cheap design, spelling errors - unprofessional... the 2011 list of topics has discrepancies with the data in other sources. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
It's not at all the official site of Bilderberg. A simple WHOIS search reports that the owner of the domain is named "A. Virtualbuilding". This preposterous fake name tells us that bilderbergmeetings.org is a self-published website, wholly unreliable. I am removing all entries based on it. Binksternet (talk) 23:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I second that. __meco (talk) 16:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Binksternet, did you notice that Virtualbuilding has a street address? That's because Virtualbuilding is not a fake name, it is the name of an internet suppler.[7] "Virtual Building is an Internet service provider for the business market. We look for companies (custom) web hosting, domain name registrations and the development of web services". Besides the Guardian and the Washington Times, here are two books that are reliable sources.[8] and [9]. Company and organisational websites are generally self-published, we don't say that makes them not the official website. Dougweller (talk) 17:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Can I remind everyone of WP:BRD? If we can't agree here, either RSN or RfC. Dougweller (talk) 17:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
I have found two three-year-old articles from The Guardian UK which say that the website suddenly appeared and is either an official website (sources are not sure) or an accurate spoof. The part about being accurate makes me think the website can continue to be used. Binksternet (talk) 22:40, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Baron Louis Forino of Little Staughton - CEO MCC Petroli Company A.G./Geneva/Switzerland

Baron Louis Forino of Little Staughton, CEO , MCC Petroli Company, Geneva, Switzerland Bildenberg (talk) 19:17, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Your recent attempt to add similar information to the Bilderberg Group article claimed support from this Economist article, which doesn't mention Forino. Favonian (talk) 20:01, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

This link gives a list of participants in the 2013 meeting, can someone please update the list with these names. Cheers! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336847/Bilderberg-2013-Who-billionaires-politicians-arriving-secretive-conference-Watford-hotel.html

Not done: The source uses terms such as "may"; I am not happy using sources such as this, per WP:BLP. --Mdann52talk to me! 14:42, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Vivien Reding EU Commissioner in 2013

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Bilderberg_Conference — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.6.139.234 (talk) 16:29, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit request - Mark Carney

In the subsection Financial Institutions > Canada it describes Mark Carney as "The eighth and current governor of the Bank of Canada ..." While he was indeed the eighth governor of the Bank of Canada, he is no longer the current governor, having vacated that position in June 2013. He is in fact the current governor of the Bank of England, having taken up that position on July 1, 2013. -- 24.212.139.20 (talk) 14:55, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Done Existing references support, so no additional references were needed. Added dates to clarify when Carney was Governor of the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England. Thanks for pointing this out! Ravensfire (talk) 15:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Question and possible edit request

Should the description of each attendee listed refer to their position at the time they attended, or to their current position if that's subsequently changed? For example, under Royalty > Spain, it lists "Juan Carlos I of Spain, King of Spain", except that Juan Carlos I of Spain abdicated the throne on June 19 of this year. Similarly, his wife Queen Sofía of Spain is technically no longer Queen of Spain for the same reason (although she retains the style of queen in all official correspondence). -- 24.212.139.20 (talk) 02:01, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

2015 list

[[10]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by KINGOFTO (talk • contribs) 03:07, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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There are almost 50 external links in this article. 5 listed as external links, the others not, but still covered by WP:EL —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 21:14, 18 May 2009

One can click on the language pane on the left, Deutsch for German, and find for instance a big list of German participants. In the main participation was before they got into the top positions as if a successful Bilderberg participation was necessary. I have checked it with German participants who were always there before they rose in the ranks. Someone else might do correlations for other countries. 58.174.193.2 (talk) 06:04, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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Britain

Prior to my edit, the title on the top of this list of royalty of Britain was "commonwealth realms". It is not a given that the title of "head of commonwealth" is a hereditary title. India for example has said that the next head should be an India. Hence the people in line for the throne are not "commonwealth" royalty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.62.40 (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Employing primary sources is not automatically OR.

@Bobfrombrockley: Last year you made an overhaul of this list, especially as regards the sources. IMHO, this was rather good; you found and removed a horrible amount of thrash sources ("horrible" at least when keeping in mind that most of the named people are alive). However, you also added a number of OR-warnings for claims only sourced by the Bilderberger conferences own published lists of participants, from the years 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 (note 4), 2012 (note 64), 2013, 2015, and 2018. If I read the relevant guidelines and policies correctly, in most or all these cases, there is no violation of WP:OR; but there may be doubts with respect to some other guidelines.

All the mentioned sources should be considered as primary sources, I think. Now, there are lengthy admonitions against abuse of primary sources, and warnings against doing a "weasel" synthesis from such sources (whether knowingly or unwittingly); but there is no prohibition against the proper use of them. Actually, WP:PRIMARY states:

A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge.

Now, IMHO, employing a press release from Bilderberg, listing the participants of a certain Bilderberg meeting (and their positions, e.g., "Chairman, Banco Santander")) only to ascertain that a certain person (with essentially the same position description, e.g., "chairman of Banco Santander") was present at that Bilderberg meeting is precisely a "straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge".

Some examples

Here is one example Bobfrombrockley OR-tagged. The article list item is

The source list item is

CAN Redford, Alison M. Premier of Alberta

The only information about Alison Redford not directly contained in the primary source is the years she began and ended her service as Albertan prime minister. I do not think that this counts as a "synthesis of primary source facts" in the sense of WP:OR.

There are other examples where possibly there might be some wikilawyer case for considering the facts as we present them as "a synthesis", like the following list item (which Bobfrombrockley didn't tag in February 2018 for the obvious reason that it wasn't added until 1 May, 2019):

where the source list item is

CAN Kenney, Jason T. Minister of Employment and Social Development

The synthesis here would be employing other sourceable facts in order to deduce that the 2014 Canadian Minister of Employment and Social Development, Jason T. Kenney, who partook in the 2014 Bilderberg meeting, indeed is the same Jason Thomas Kenney who now is the premier of Alberta. Some may consider this to be a tenable objection; but I find it a rather weak one.

Another type of "synthesis" might be noting that a person has attended several Bilderberg meetings (where each source just verifies the attendance to one meeting). As far as I can see, our list use no weasel words giving e.g. the impression that these people thus are "multiple offenders"; but of course some reader with a strong anti-Bilderberg bias might make a mental distinction between "one-time only attenders" and "multiple attenders".

There may be some stronger objections on other grounds than WP:OR, though. Since nowadays the Bilderberg meetings are fairly open about their participants (after the meetings are closed), probably at least partially due to the strong criticism for secrecy they've encountered, one could claim that List of Bilderberg participants is not a very necessary list, and especially not for participants from the year 2009 and later. However, @Bobfrombrockley: IMHO, if you or someone else would like to contend the list on these grounds, the OR discussion would be essentially irrelevant.

Hence, if no one complains, I'll remove the OR-tags - after checking that the sources really are employed correctly in each case. (A quick view reveals some doubts about this; alternatively, that tome of the Bilderberg list may be changed after the press release date.) JoergenB (talk) 17:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I completely agree. If we list notable awards the source should be whatever body grants the award. If we list the officers of a major corporation, our source should be the corporation. The same applies here. Doug Weller talk 18:57, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
I think I agree. Well argued. Although second resources are preferable, the types of primary ones you want to or are probably okay. BobFromBrockley (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
I've seen no voice against, whence I now start the work. It will span over (at least) some days, since from sampling I know that I should check each item in each reference. In most cases, I expect to remove only the OR-note, or both the OR-note and the claim (if the person is not found on the list). JoergenB (talk) 19:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Naut Wellink, in 2006

see this link www.infowarscom/images2/nwo/bilderberg/bbg_list_page_06.jpg [unreliable fringe source?] list of participants], he was on this list, but was he there. Question: he is not on the list of dutch participants. Is there a reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.60.20.224 (talk) 16:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Wrong references

The reference number 11: Official List of Participants for the 2009 Bilderberg Meeting has a wrong link http://www.publicintelligence.net/?p=1971 The correct link is: http://publicintelligence.net/official-list-of-participants-for-the-2009-bilderberg-meeting/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antisistema (talk • contribs) 14:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Spain

There is no Spain section in the article. Here you have some names of Spanish bilderbergers:

  • Juan Luís Cebrián - CEO, PRISA (2009 and many others) reference 11
  • José Manuel Entrecanales - Chairman, Acciona (2009) ^11
  • Bernardino León Gross - General Director of the Presidency of the Spanish Goverment (2009) ^11
  • Miguel Angel Moratinos Cuyaubé - Spanish Minister of Foreign Affairs (2009) ^11
  • Juan Maria Nin Génova - President and CEO of La Caixa (2009) ^11
  • Pedro Solbes - former Minister of Economy and former Vice-President of Spanish Goverment (2009) ^11
  • Queen Sofía of Spain (2009) ^11
  • José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero (Sitges 2010)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Antisistema (talk • contribs) 14:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

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