Talk:List of lakes in the Washington D.C. area

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Inclusion criteria

How is "Washington, DC area" defined and which sources treat these as a group per WP:LISTN? –dlthewave ☎ 04:41, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This needs discussion prior to deletions. I have been to D.C. many times, and it is very small, the people there consider large areas of Maryland and Virginia to be D.C. area. I live in Milwaukee, Shorewood, Mequon, Waukesha, Wauwatosa, Greenfield, are all Milwaukee area. Please stop edit warring the articles. Lightburst (talk) 04:48, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source? –dlthewave ☎ 04:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Washington metropolitan area might be a good starting point. This would include everything currently on the list except for Lake Roland (Maryland). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlthewave (talk • contribs) 04:56, January 12, 2020 (UTC)

We will hopefully get some other editors to check in. Your opinions are known and mine are known. Lightburst (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Roland is in Baltimore county - 40 miles from D.C. Lightburst (talk) 05:07, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the reliable source that describes it as being in the DC area? I've suggested inclusion criteria, but you have yet to explain yours. –dlthewave ☎ 05:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We do not use Wikipedia as a source. And there is WP:NORUSH Everything happens as it should with time and consensus. Lightburst (talk) 05:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will open an edit warring complaint if you continue to refactor to your preferred versions. Discussion is taking place here. there is not an emergencyLightburst (talk) 05:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would you care to explain how you're deciding what belongs on this list? You seem to have a strong preference for including certain entries, but you haven't suggested any criteria for inclusion. –dlthewave ☎ 05:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This has broke down into an edit war. I won;t report you because I will likely catch a block myself, because that is just how things work here. You are a long time editor and you now how to engender good will. it is not like this. I have went to your talk page and here. I cannot get blocked for warring - and I really do not think any of this is an emergency. I do hope you can stop until we get other opinions. Things do not happen on a schedule. It is late here and I need to turn in, lets think of better ways to interact. This revert first talk later is not working. Lightburst (talk) 05:40, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a little bit confused about why you've objected to my edits. A good way to work towards understanding would be to explain your reasoning. It seems like you have a certain vision for this list but you have yet to articulate it. –dlthewave ☎ 05:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

Any lake or reservoir that has a Wikipedia article and is located in the Washington metropolitan area may be included in this list.

Support - Unambiguous and legally-defined criteria. –dlthewave ☎ 13:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - what is the purpose of this proposal? The name of the list already defines what should be included; i.e. "lakes in the Washington D.C. area". ^Atsme _Talk 📧 15:41, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose is to define the specific area that we're talking about. In the discussion above, the argument was made that Lake Roland (Maryland) should be included because it's "40 miles from DC" even though it's actually north of Baltimore. We need to decide exactly what we mean by "DC area", and the officially-defined metropolitan area seems like a good criteria. –dlthewave ☎ 16:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support – "Area" is ambiguous. Limiting the list to just Washington, D.C. would make it too small (two lakes, two and a half reservoirs, an aquatic garden and the Tidal Basin). The Washington metropolitan area is the logical choice. Its full name is the "Washington–Arlington–Alexandria, DC–VA–MD–WV metropolitan statistical area", and that is what is known as "the DC area". It's one of the census metropolitan statistical areas or "MSA". Baltimore, BTW, is not part of "the DC area"; it's a separate Baltimore metropolitan area, aka "Baltimore–Columbia–Towson metropolitan statistical area"–a different MSA. Together, they make up the Baltimore–Washington metropolitan area, aka the "Washington–Baltimore–Arlington, DC–MD–VA–WV–PA combined statistical area". That is one of the combined statistical areas or "CSA". We can have a list for the MSA or we can have a list for the CSA, just so long as there is a clearly-defined criteria, but if we're going to call it the "DC area", we shouldn't be including lakes outside of the DC area, that is, outside the DC MSA. – Levivich 17:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of lakes in the Washington D.C. area → List of lakes in the Washington metropolitan area – "Washington, D.C. area" is fairly ambiguous. Washington metropolitan area would provide well-defined inclusion criteria for this list. –dlthewave ☎ 05:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 07:00, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move per nom. Awaiting the personal attacks 😭 ——SN 54129 12:19, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per brevity. The present name is fine and not confusing, "Washington, D.C." being the common name of the city. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:25, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - readers may confuse the "Washington metropolitan area" with Washington the state. This move request is malformed but it's early enough to correct it. There should also be a map showing the borders of the D.C. area to use as a reference - perhaps use county lines as borders. Anything outside the established borders would not qualify for the list; perhaps a subsection could be considered for lakes in close proximity within a shared county but fringing on the metroplex, or something along that line. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 15:57, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can see the potential for confusion. Possible solutions would be to either use "List of lakes in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area" or keep the current title and clearly define the inclusion criteria elsewhere. –dlthewave ☎ 16:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My two cents is that the latter option – shorter title, clear inclusion criteria – is better. – Levivich 17:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Readers looking for lakes in the Washington D.C. area - will use "Washington D.C." as their search term. The present title aides navigation and that should be our first concern. The title Metropolitan has the same meaning as area - yet it does not aide navigation: relating to or denoting a metropolis, often inclusive of its surrounding areas. Lightburst (talk) 17:28, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move somewhere, at least to List of lakes in the Washington, D.C. area or List of lakes in the Washington, D.C., area for consistency with the style guide. (I don't prefer the second form but I recall it being argued for strenuously in some cases.) "Washington D.C." is not consistent with Washington, D.C.. Dekimasuよ! 06:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support adding a comma, but oppose as proposed per Dekimasu Red Slash 18:48, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.