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This article was nominated for deletion on 11 March 2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

How do you know what's on Tamanta's back?

What pics did you see of Tamanta's back? I've only seen Tamanta from the front! Can someone post a pic showing Tamanta's back?

From: HOL, 4:51PM, May 16, 2006—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.197.220.129 (talk) 20:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the place for it, however, if you look at the sprites of it from behind( i.e. when you are using it in battle) you can see the markings. --WikidSmaht (talk) 20:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Mantyke"

Serebii.net's reporting that Tamanta's going to be called Mantyke. He was right about Perap being Chatot, but all the same, the name's not confirmed. I'm noting down the fact that Mantyke's been reported as the name, though, just like I did with Perap and Chatot, because I think it is a notable report, and mainly because otherwise this page will be repeatedly edited back and forth between Tamanta and Mantyke by newbies who think Wikipedia's uninformed and that the name's official, just like they did with Perap and Chatot. Edit: Well, I tried, but the page has already been moved and converted throughout to Mantyke. I'm expecting more edit wars on this like with Chatot, but I still think that the best way to do this is to keep it at Tamanta but with a note that it's been reported as Mantyke.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.115.72 (talk) 13:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we're in for a fun few days of moving back and forth, or so I predict... Cipher ^(Yell) 19:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not so much. I’ve gone and boldly salted those moves. I know it’s frowned upon, but it was the easiest way to prevent a move war. Now all we have to worry about is keeping “Tamanta” from becoming “Mantyke” in the text. When it IS confirmed, we can get a Pokéadmin to clear the way for the move. --WikidSmaht (talk) 20:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I feel that if there is a English name out there and one that is reported by serebii which was right about Chatot, and how other then serebii reporting english name are we really going to find out what the English names of pokemon are, because nintendo and pokemon.com aren't really going to do it.DSDark 23:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few ways I can think of, one of them being that the name will be known for certain when Diamond and Pearl is released for America. Another way would be for Nintendo to announce it (it's not *that* farfetched). A third way would be if it's in an (English-dubbed) anime episode/movie in which the name is *clearly* stated.—M_C_Y_1008 (^talk/_contribs) 23:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Newbies"? Why do you call them that? Because they disagree with you? Or because they disagree with you in what is considered a reliable source? --Raijinili 08:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I assume what our anonymous friend means is that the editors who make such changes tend to be unregistered first-timers, and therefore unfamiliar Wikipedia policy that precludes fansites like Serebii as a reliable source. --WikidSmaht (talk) 12:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unregistered users can't move pages (with a click - of course they can move them manually), so I assume he/she's talking about registered users.

And I'd like you to show me where fansites are automatically not reliable sources. --Raijinili 16:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, who said we were talking about moving the page? 217.44.115.72 said “this page will be repeatedly edited back and forth between Tamanta and Mantyke by newbies” (emphasis mine), meaning the text, not just the title, will be edited. And it has been, and that’s what I was referring to when I said the edits were made by “unregistered first-timers”.

As for fansites not being reliable, I don’t think I have to show you, it’s a page you linked to yourself. Some quotes from said page( bold emphasis mine if quote is marked with an *): “Self published sources such as personal web pages [...] have not been subject to any form of independent fact-checking and so have lower levels of reliability than published news media”* “Anyone can create a website [...] and then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, [...] personal websites [...] are largely not acceptable as sources.”* “Personal websites [...] should not be used as secondary sources. That is, they should not be used as sources of information about a person or topic other than the owner of the website”. --WikidSmaht (talk) 22:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"This page is considered a guideline on Wikipedia. It is generally accepted among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception." I'd like you to show me where fansites are automatically not considered reliable sources. --Raijinili 03:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You may actually have a point there, however, in most cases, including this one, the aforementioned common sense reveals that a fansite with anonymous input is not a suitable source for renaming or completely changing an article. --WikidSmaht (talk) 05:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I made the first change and I'm not a "newbie". I made the edit because I believed that there was no reason to doubt Serebii.net, but if that can't be done, fine. Cipher ^(Yell) 12:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was mainly referring, yes, to the unfamiliarity some users have with the fact that fansites can't be used as an official source, and indeed shouldn't be used at all (or at least, so I've been told a bunch of times myself - I imagine they qualify as self-published sources). Mantyke may have been reported by Serebii, and I personally am confident after Chatot that Serebii's right, as he's clearly not plucking his information from thin air. But he's not a verifiable source and he's not official, so the information can't be taken as official. Hence my view remains that, though the page should remain at Tamanta, Mantyke should get a mention (but if somebody removes the Mantyke mention and just keeps the whole page at Tamanta, I won't argue).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.115.72 (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would, though. Serebii may not be a reliable enough source to change or move the whole page, but its high regard( and correct reporting of Chatot) means that rumors originating there need to be taken seriously... Not to mention that it reduces the number of people thinking we’re ignorant of the news. On another note, have you considered getting an account? For a productive and seemingly intelligent user like yourself, I really recommend it. Besides, calling you 217.44.115.72 makes you sound like a Borg. --WikidSmaht (talk) 22:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Cipher, Serebii is probably right, but it lacks journalistic credibility because it is not an official or professional news source, and it is not subject to independent professional review. I can understand why you’re inclined to believe the news, I am too. But that inclination is not enough to justify reporting “Mantyke” as fact on the Wikipedia. The project has a long way to go before it can be taken seriously, and part of helping that process along is making sure that as much of the info as possible comes from credible sources.--WikidSmaht (talk) 22:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The pokemon company created the fansite.Those who created the fansite has the official english name "Mantyke".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.91.87.245 (talk) 23:54-58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

That makes no sense at all.—ウルタプ 00:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um. No. A guy named Joe created the fansite. The Pokémon Company has said nothing about the name “Mantyke”, at least not through any official channels. --WikidSmaht (talk) 00:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It will be announced by the 9th pokemon movie.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.91.87.245 (talk) 01:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

…well, yeah. We're waiting for the first official confirmation, aren't we…? >>—ウルタプ 01:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Big question, 72: When is the ninth movie slated to be out? April is the release date of D&P over on this side of the Pacific Pond, and by then the official name will have been given. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 14:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it probably will be, if it hasn’t been earlier. But the 9th movie’s not out yet in English, now is it? And it won’t be until April 3rd. --WikidSmaht (talk) 21:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article should now be called Mantyke, as the name was confirmed at Toy Fair '07

Sign your posts.
Since the first (premature) move was salted with a redirect, we can't until an Admin does this. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 22:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New "Mantyke" information

Several Wiki articles have the "new" English names of Pokémon, as revealed at the Toy Fair in NYC (most sources being Serebii) (eg. Nettle is now Turtwig on Wiki). Serebii also says that the fair confirmed all of the previously revealed names they had, Mantyke being one of them. So, with it being from the same source, why is this (along with a few others) name not yet changed? --NukeMTV 02:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of this article, technical restrictions. "Mantyke" was made to redirect to "Tamanta" back when the name was first reported; you can't move a page to an existing name and in order to keep the article's history et cetera, we'll need an admin to delete the redirect then move the page normally.—ウルタプ 03:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I seemed to be able to change it just fine... [1]Right here. I changed it back just in case someone wanted to bitch at me, but its possible. Just revert the Mantyke article back to this edit, and redirect the entire Tamanta page to Mantyke. --NukeMTV 19:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can change it manually, of course (via cut-and-paste), but that leaves all the page history here at Tamanta, which is not a good thing.—M_C_Y_1008 (^talk/_contribs) 21:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Match 'n' Catch game confirmed "Mantyke" as its US name. So... somebody move this to Mantyke! - Mitsumasa 16:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you listening? We're waiting for an admin.—ウルタプ 17:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can put in the {{db-move|}} template in cases like this for a (somewhat) quick response. I've done so. ' 17:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]