Talk:Michael Harris (politician, born 1979)

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Requested move 26 April 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:19, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Harris (politician) → Michael Harris (politician, born 1979) – Insufficiently precise disambiguation from the two Mike Harrises. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Michael D. Harris rather than "born 1979". Middle initials, while not ideal disambiguators, are still preferable to "born YYYY" (which should never, ever, ever be anything but an absolute last resort if absolutely nothing else is even possible.) Bearcat (talk) 17:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Michael D. Harris" is unusable because no source calls him that. They all call the subject of this article "Michael Harris". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And what sources call him Michael-Harris-born-1979 either? Birth year should only ever be used as a disambiguator in an article title if we've literally moved heaven and earth to find anything else we could possibly use and still come up drier than the Gobi Desert, and is an absolute and total non-starter if any more natural and less WTF-is-that alternative can be found whatsoever. If there's any possible alternative at all, then birth-year is Chernobyl Exclusion Zone levels of No Go. Bearcat (talk) 21:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely not true at all. We frequently use dates as a disambiguator. We most certainly do not use initials that are not commonly used. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:08, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely yes true at all; birthdates are only ever used as disambiguators in the titles of biographical articles about people as an absolute last-ditch hail mary passes when there's absolutely no other alternative left because absolutely no other disambiguator is possible at all. What we do for film titles has nothing to do with what we do for BLPs of people. We have metric tonnes of articles about people that have a middle initial in the title that isn't actually part of how the person is typically known but was necessary for disambiguation purposes, so that clearly is a thing we do — birth years are added to titles of articles about people only if and when nationality, occupation and middle names have all failed to work. Bearcat (talk) 04:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mike Harris has 2,948 views, Mike Harris Jr. has 559 compared with only 273[[1]] for the 1979 one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Mike Harris is not known as "Michael" in any reliable sources, and Michael Harris is not known as "Mike". The current hatnotes are sufficient. 162 etc. (talk) 13:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I disagree with Bearcat, because the middle initial D will not help. The problem is that Mike Harris was a well-known premier and Mike Harris' son's name is is also Mike Harris and happened to take over the riding that Michael Harris held. Lots of people think the Michael Harris article is about the father of Mike Harris Jr, until they dig deeper. It should be made clear that this is not "THE" Michael Harris, Politician. It's one of the many people that could fall under Michael Harris, Politician. The name Michael Harris (Politician, born 1979) would make it clear to me that there's more than one Michael Harris, Politician that came before Mike Harris Jr. I don't buy the argument by user:162, because everyone knows that "Mike" and "Michael" are two versions of the same name. Dr. Universe (talk) 04:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've added a bit more detail to the hatnote. I believe this will ensure clarity, moreso than the proposed title. 162 etc. (talk)
Support per nom. Needs disambiguating and this is standard disambiguation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:08, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support as proposed. Michael D. Harris is ambiguous because there's also Michael Darnell Harris, so using birth dates, while suboptimal, is the only real choice here. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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