Talk:Nicholas Ashley-Cooper, 12th Earl of Shaftesbury

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How to assign him to DJ categories

I edited this article mainly because I stumbled across the story of the earl's succession and found it fascinating. Since he is a DJ of some renown (see the links in the article), I think he should be in the appropriate DJ categories. However, he is known as "nick ac" in the techno world, not "Shaftesbury", so I'm not sure how he should be sorted. I defaulted to sorting on "Shaftesbury" as for other categories, but I wonder if a "nick ac" entry, redirecting here, might be more suitable for categorization. However, categorizing a redirect would seem to not be good form for Wikipedia. I won't be monitoring this closely, so anyone who has a solution, please go ahead! GeoGreg 22:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dealt with by creating a small parallel article for his DJ name so that it would list correctly in the category lists and linking that back to this article. --DavidCane 01:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

St Giles House image rationale

I received the image [[File:St Giles House Dorset.png]] from Nicholas Ashley-Cooper, 12th Earl of Shaftesbury with a request to switch out the image of the house. I have explained that there are no guarantees that the image will be retained in the article beyond my initial revision. I have no personal preference. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Cind.amuse 03:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Philanthropic section is definately non-notable.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.184.62 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 30 September 2012

Article reads like a business pitch

Article is somewhat suspect - seems to be rather too much fluff in it. London marathon paragraph / DJing section / desert race information: one gets the feeling that much has been added here to beef up the article. Not exactly a household name in dance music circles... One of course understands the notional notability of members of the peerage: however, this Ashley-Cooper doesn't seem to warrant such a large article. Often men like Asley-Cooper ride along on the coat-tails of their forebears - and the article is arguably a case in point. Much of it is not exactly notable achievements. Finished 29th in some race? Reads like an ad or a business pitch. A more notable figure could perhaps be Ashley's godfather, Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster, whose article on Wikipedia is much shorter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Grosvenor,_6th_Duke_of_Westminster — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.32.222 (talk) 17:13, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to agree that undue weight is currently being afforded to this information, and that it could do with being pared down. Feel free to do so yourself. Some information should be retained, and source references shouldn't be removed if they're within policy. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 10:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Following the flags on this page, I have tried to address some of these by bringing the template in line with existing BLPs, reducing the promotional content and ensuring all claims are referenced correctly. The article contained a range of statements about Nick Ashley-Cooper which were not backed up in the sources to which they were linked. Transparently, I work with Nick Ashley-Cooper but am not seeking to edit this article for promotional purposes, but instead to improve the article by ensuring it is written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone, avoiding both understatement and overstatement, as per the Wikipedia policy for Biographies of Living Persons. Please let me know if there are any edits which have been made which require further investigation or changes.

Separately, I would like to suggest the removal of the “father’s murder and brother’s death” sections as the detail around these incidents is covered on the 10th Earl of Shaftesbury and 11th Earl of Shaftesbury pages respectively and it’s not clear why it all needs to be repeated on 12th Earl of Shaftesbury’s page too. Can we consider shortening this section to read: “His father, the 10th Earl, was murdered in November 2004 by his third wife, Jamila M'Barek, and her brother Mohammad. Six months later, on 15 May 2005, the 11th Earl died of a heart attack in Manhattan, New York, while visiting his younger brother, and Nick Ashley-Cooper then unexpectedly succeeded him in the earldom.” This therefore still references the incidents within Nick Ashley-Cooper’s early life section but refers users to his father’s and brother’s pages for the details. Thank you for sharing your views on this. 2010Sherwood (talk) 19:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also sharing coded copy with references for review: Ashley-Cooper’s father, the 10th Earl, was murdered in November 2004 by his third wife, Jamila M'Barek, and her brother Mohammad.

Six months later, on 15 May 2005, the 11th Earl died of a heart attack in Manhattan, New York, while visiting his younger brother, and Ashley-Cooper then unexpectedly succeeded him in the earldom.^[1] He relocated to his family home from New York City and accepted the title of Earl. Back in Britain, Ashley-Cooper then attended the London Business School before going onto work in private business.^[2]

I am suggesting the removal of the reference to Jamila M'Barek as a Playboy model turned prostitute as the detail of Jamila’s career are detailed on her own page. I am also suggesting the removal of the mention of - The Daily Telegraph described the 12th Earl as "a tattooed young raver".^[3] - as this does not appear to be relevant or add value to this section of the biography. However, I have added this source reference higher up relating to the claims made about why Ashley-Cooper left Eton as this is where that claim is mentioned. Again, grateful for views on these changes before they are made. 2010Sherwood (talk) 20:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Date problem

The introduction reads "Shaftesbury's father, Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 10th Earl of Shaftesbury, had been murdered in November 2004 by the brother of his third wife, Jamila M'Barek.[1] A month later, on 15 May 2005,..."

However, 15 May 2005 is not "one month" after November 2004

--23.119.204.117 (talk) 04:35, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "Bonding with charitable cause following fall". Bournemouthecho.co.uk. 11 May 2010. Retrieved 4 July 2010.
^ "Lord Shaftesbury shares his story from NYC nightlife to Dorset philanthropy on podcast". dorsetbiznews.co.uk. 25 January 2023. Retrieved 13 November 2024.
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[bournemouthecho1-1] "Bonding with charitable cause following fall". Bournemouthecho.co.uk. 11 May 2010. Retrieved 4 July 2010.

[dorsetbiznews-2] "Lord Shaftesbury shares his story from NYC nightlife to Dorset philanthropy on podcast". dorsetbiznews.co.uk. 25 January 2023. Retrieved 13 November 2024.

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