Talk:Nick Plott

This article was nominated for deletion on 17 July 2013 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

A fact from Nick Plott appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 July 2013 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Dan Stemkoski and Nick Plott were the first two Western StarCraft casters in South Korea?

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Any information regarding birthday are generally reliable. While unreliable sources can not be used to establish notability, they can be used for trivial information which is a near 0% probability of being false. Reddit, Facebook, and primarily sources can be used for DOBs. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 20:37, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Any information regarding birthday are generally reliable.

Since when? No way. If Plott claimed that a day was his birthday in a tweet, we could use that as a self-published source about self but "https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1k4qs2/happy_birthday_to_nick_tasteless_plott/" is user-submitted content with no hallmarks of editorial quality. Please revert your edit. czar 22:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a tweet posted by Tasteless himself confirming the 08-11-1984 date.--Prisencolin (talk) 01:07, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that tweet is terribly explicit about his birthday (was his birthday party before his birthday then?) but it is much better than the Reddit source. Any information regarding birthday are generally reliable is not true, for the future. I linked the relevant guideline above. czar 01:21, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

czar I'm going with blunt logic here. Why would anyone post fake birthdays for someone, a group of people falsely celebrating someone birthday sounds insane, and insanity does not come in numbers. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 03:58, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes individuals aren't even good sources for their own birthdays (they can lie). Our job is to present reliable sources, not to find the truth. We provide the best possible source for the birthday and if we can't find anything reliable, we include the range (such as I did previously). I don't think you'll find any sympathy anywhere on Wikipedia for using Reddit as a source. We simply do not trust user-created content for reliability. If you want a second opinion, ask WT:VG. czar 04:09, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this when it comes to detailed information, but date of births are generally trivial enough that unreliable sources can be cited. You are right they can lie, but why would they lie? A group of people celebrating someone's false birthday seems unlikely enough that citing it should be advisable. I agree I think a discussion regarding DOBs and sourcing should be discussed if you'd like to open one regarding all gamer dobs, ping me and I'll gladly participate. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 19:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ignoring Broodwar:

The article as it stands ignores the several years where Tasteless was casting Staracraft:Broodwar matches. The article makes it sound like Tasteless arrived in Korea just as SCII was released. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Harizotoh9: it would indeed be nice to expand upon his history if any reliable sources can be found. In Plott's last semester of college, Korean broadcasting company GOM TV invited Plott to provide English commentary for the recently announced StarCraft II as part of a strategy to extend their reach.[2] The offer was not given 100% guarantees of moving assistance, but offered Plott an opportunity to make a career of his StarCraft commentary and become the first Western StarCraft commentator, or caster,[5] in South Korea.[2] He dropped out of college and arrived in Seoul within a week.[2] This definitely implies that he went to Korea for SC2. If that's not the case, try and find a good source that says otherwise. The article does mention, albeit only briefly, that he did some BW casting. Airplaneman ✈ 14:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He did a few years of StarCraft:BW casting for GOMTV before 2. That's where I know him. From 2008-2009. First it was the Star Invitational. Then three seasons of the Avertec-Intel Classic. Season 1 by himself, season 2 with Little Susie, and Season 3 with Super Danielman. Hopefully I'm not a crazy person and didn't imagine these seasons. The Team Liquid wiki covers these.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic

--Harizotoh9 (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And after like 5 years I finally fixed it, citing a 2011 Arstechnia article. The article as written assumed that he moved to Korea to cast SC2, but that created an internal inconsistency. He moves to korea in 2007 to cast but SC2 didn't come out until 2010. What was he doing in that time? Harizotoh9 (talk) 08:35, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]