Talk:Nikken Abe

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WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 00:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I have to say that this article is mostly crap. I am not experienced in Wiki code, or I would do a complete rewrite. It seems like all of the allegations against him (which mostly consist of stuff being thrown against the wall, hoping something would stick) are out there, but there is very little of substance as to his accomplishments and his life.

Anything that references a Soka Spirit article as a source should be deleted, if it can not be verified by a neutral source, as Soka Spirit is an organ media of an organization that was focused on discrediting him.

RaiderSithLord (talk) 07:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments inserted into article

• This article is clearly biased toward the priesthood version of events!!!!!!!!! There is no mention of the anti-defamation lawsuit the Soka Gakkai won against the priesthood, nor that Abe was frequenting a prostitute at the time and LIED about it. Also not mentioned is Abe's "Operation C", C for cut, to force out Daisaku Ikeda and regain control over the lay believers. Also not included is the international and archtectural communities out-cry against the destruction of the Sho-Hondo and other buildings as marvels of modern building. --Added by 24.22.209.10 on 19 December 2005.

• 04 December: Nikken Abe has resigned under not clear circumstances --Added by 80.25.30.22 on 19 December 2005.

Abe's problems with Soka Gakkai are mentioned in a manner appropriate for an encyclopedic article, and details are available via two references (links) to other articles. I've also re-organized 24.22.209.10's links to the SGI website for people who want to follow them.

If someone feels that "Operation C" and the other topics mentioned above need to be addressed, then please go ahead and do so: this is, after all, Wikipedia.

I have clarified Abe's reasons for stepping down as high priest in the sentence that mentions the fact. Or is there something "unclear" or otherwise mysterious that I'm missing about an 83-year-old man deciding to retire?

When you contribute to Wikipedia, please observe the conventions for doing so, otherwise other contributors will have to come by to clean up after you. Meanwhile, have fun :) Jersey_Jim 15:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed "Recent events..."

...because the information, having been already mentioned in the body of the article, was redundant. Jim_Lockhart 03:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed copyrighted material

The material inserted under "litigation against Abe" by 67.175.169.250 in the edit of 13:10, 9 January 2006. In addition to being a verbatim copy of the material at http://www.sokaspirit.org/historical_facts/reformists_cur.shtml, the content is outdated (it refers to events that took place in 2000 and having taken place this year) and consists mainly of accusations, describing events only insofar as they are useful for the accusations.

About half-way through, the material also contained a list of what appear to be headlines, many of them truncated.

The second batch of material that I removed was also lifted directly from elsewhere, again SGI's Soka Spirit website: http://www.sokaspirit.org/resource/world_tribune_45.shtml.

Best regards to all, Jim_Lockhart 10:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Started a clean-up, but still much to do...

The article as I found it today was very biased towards Abe and contained many unsubstantiated and subjective claims, many of which were false. I have removed a lot of them and I have tried to reword much of the rest of the article to reflect the beliefs of both the SGI and Nichiren Shoshu ("The SGI claims...", "As Nichiren Shoshu sees it...", etc.). I haven't done a perfect job by any means, and I have even put in {{Fact}} tags against some of my own ammendments because I know that they need to be properly sourced.

Perhaps some of the stuff I have deleted can find its way back into the article, but it needs to be framed with "Nichiren Shoshu says..." or whatever.

I have also deleted some anti-Abe and anti-Nichiren Shoshu links because they do not refer to anything in the article. There certainly have been allegations of scandalous behaviour against Abe and they certainly need to be put in the article, but they must be properly referenced. Ideally sources should be reputable disinterested parties (i.e. not SGI or Nichiren Shoshu). SGI or Nichiren Shoshu sources should be used with great care.

I know that there have been a number of academics and other eminent people who have commented on the split between Nichiren Shoshu and the SGI. Are there any that have specifically commented on Abe or his conduct?

I admit an interest. I am an SGI member. However I believe it does no service to anyone to do anything other than try to make this article properly encyclopaedic (so please, try to avoid me-too editing!). I also admit that the work I have done so far is pretty inadequate and probably flawed. This article really needs a major overhaul. I shall try to get back to it when I get a bit more time. I can be contacted on my talk page if anyone needs to. ireneshusband (talk) 04:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I've done a bit of tidying and pruning and added a paragraph about the destruction of the sho hondo. One thing we need now is restructuring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ireneshusband (talk • contribs) 11:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Two taggings

I added two tags. Only one paragraph in this article (if we stretch a double use of a source we can say two) has any sources cited. My question is, what are the sources of the other 11 (or 10) paragraphs?

Secondly, a tag is needed to attract more editors to this page to provide neutrality. For example, currently there is information about Nikken Abe receiving an honorific title for conducting the first overseas Gohonzon conferral ceremony in Seattle but no mention of the controversial "Seattle Incident" in which it is alleged he consorted with a prostitute and had a confrontation with police. BrandenburgG (talk) 13:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Deletion proposed

The subject of this article doesn't meet Wikipedia standards of notability. There isn't a single NPOV source or reference listed in this article related to the subject, even though the article was created 14 years ago. Since no editors have been able to provide even one NPOV source for material on this subject after 14 years, obviously the subject doesn't meet notability standards. The only links to support any material in this article in the past appear to be only links to the subject's own personal promotional site or sites closely related to the subject. The only 2 references in the entire article are not about the subject himself, but about a building that was torn down at a temple where he lived, and another refers to how much money the building cost. 76.79.221.123 (talk) 02:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

There is a lot of material in Japanese about him, maybe not so much in English. PeepleLikeYou (talk) 10:45, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I checked the Japanese Wikipedia article to see if I could add here on this subject, but it also has no cited references about him. Elemential1 (talk)

I found some material on Abe Nikken by searching for his name on Google Book search in Japanese. PeepleLikeYou (talk) 04:49, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

I've removed the deletion proposal from the page since the person proposing the deletion seems to have disappeared. PeepleLikeYou (talk) 04:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

There are no NPOV sources available for this subject and that has been the case for the entire history of this article. The same is true of the Japanese article about this subject, which shows no NPOV sources in the many years of its history. The Google search results on this person are from biased sources, either those from the subject's own group or from those attacking him. There doesn't appear to be any notable mention in scholarly texts or serious research books or neutral media other than mentioning some minor scandals he may have been involved in. Therefore I would agree with the deletion proposal as this doesn't amount to notability by Wikipedia standards. Nihonjimu (talk) 15:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

SGI/Soka Gakkai

Polite request to editors: It is confusing for readers if the text keeps alternating between "Soka Gakkai" and "SGI". SGI is the international wing of Soka Gakkai. There is no point in using SGI in place of Soka Gakkai in this article, because the events in this article all happened in Japan, and are not related to the international organisation SGI. For the benefit of readers, could editors please refrain from changing "Soka Gakkai" to "SGI" unless it is actually referring to the international organisation? I think this aids readability and reduces reader confusion. Thanks very much! PeepleLikeYou (talk) 23:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Verifying this article

It has been years since the following request was made: This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.

• This article needs additional citations for verification. (June 2015)
• A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (October 2018)

Why is it been allowed continue in violation of Wikipedia standards?Ltdan43 (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• Why not improve it yourself ? Atlantic306 (talk) 15:16, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

The whole article only has two English references. It seems most of the sources, of what there is, are Japanese. I don't read or speak Japanese. Whoever originated the article should be more meticulous in referencing the bulk of the article.Ltdan43 (talk) 15:11, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

I'd say that's a very good point. This isn't the only article in WP that's like this.I would vote removing them all.--JackBNimble43 (talk) 15:46, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

• • You wouldn't get far as non-English sources are acceptable as per WP:GNG regards Atlantic306 (talk) 22:08, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, non-English sources are frequent, but someone who speaks the language needs to do research and post the resources.Ltdan43 (talk) 06:15, 15 October 2019 (UTC)