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On 22 November 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from North Korea and the Russian invasion of Ukraine to North Korean involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Requested move 22 November 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as an uncontested request with minimal participation. If there is any objection within a reasonable time frame, please ask me to reopen the discussion; if I am not available, please ask at the technical requests page. (closed by non-admin page mover) JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 15:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

North Korea and the Russian invasion of Ukraine → North Korean involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine – Per the Belarusian involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine precedent. Both Belarus and North Korea have some degree of belligerence, a fact that is recognised by the infobox at Russian invasion of Ukraine. And for sure, North Korea is more involved in the war against Ukraine than Belarus is.

Other country-specific articles related to the invasion (United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Lithuania and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Iran and the Russian invasion of Ukraine) are for countries that we consider as not involved enough so as to mark as cobelligerant for either side. North Korea, as the third and last country with soldiers in the ground in this war, shouldn't be among these and treated differently from Belarus in this regard. Super Ψ Dro 11:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom seefooddiet (talk) 10:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

North Korean evolvement in direct fighting seems tenuous.

Right now we basically have a Ukrainian and a US mystery "official" saying this fight between Ukraine and the DPRK happened. But there is really no video evidence or any other evidence at all. I am not satisfied that this event actually involved Korean troops. I think until and unless some other evidence shows up, or some other engagements with North Koreans occur we should change the language of this to be speculative. I follow this war very closely, and though DPRK direct involvement was widely reported as eminent for 2 weeks, no evidence ever surfaced. NYT is a good source, but all they are doin here is passing on the word of unnamed "officials". Not really to the highest standard of journalism is it. 58.84.239.106 (talk) 09:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is why I seriously doubt any western media and official claims of north Korean soldiers in ukraine because all of them were only worded claim not actual visual evidence such as north Korean soldier in Russian uniform clearly speaking Korean with north Korean accent. Claim like these are also racist since Russia have large numbers of asian minorities that have look similar to east asians. NATO and any officials had also "confirmed" nothing like how it was written in other Wikipedia articles since they didn't present any evidence at all. Until there is sufficient photographic and video evidence, fo Dauzlee (talk) 02:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

for now any claim without concrete evidence treated carefully

Dauzlee (talk) 02:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah exactly. And it has now been several more weeks without this mystery Koreans showing up. It's looking more and more like Koreans went to Russia, but have not partaken in fighting at this time, if that is even the intention at all. I re worded the section to make it clear its claims and speculation. I did leave the section in, it was widely reported and it has the potential to be a major development in the war and a NATO official HAS said there are Korean in Kursk. However again, no evidence. Liger404 (talk) 04:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Porn addiction?

Numerous sources (Hindustan Times, NY Post, Newsweek, Yahoo News, Wio News) have reported on North Korean soldiers' newfound addictions to pornography, following their recent deployment to Russia. This mostly stems from the fact that this is their first time having legitimate access to the internet. I will try to add this into the article, but please let me know if I placed the information in the wrong spot. Thanks! - OpalYosutebito (talk) 16:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to self: omit NY Post and Newsweek sources, as those aren't super reliable - OpalYosutebito (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This needs to come out, this is literally just Gossip. We have no evidence and frankly how on earth would anyone who wasn't there on the ground know? Unless we start seeing Russians talking about this behaviour in reliable numbers, this does not warrant inclusion in an encyclopaedia and belongs in tabloids only.. As mentioned, NY Post and the like are in the depreciated sources category. Liger404 (talk) 03:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not saying you're wrong but I excluded the NY Post and Newsweek sources in the edit I made to the article since they were unreliable sources (per WP:RSPSS). I heard that a British journalist covered it, but I was unable to find the original Financial Times article, so we should definitely wait it out... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 04:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it's all just circular re reporting of what the one Financial times guy wrote. Its its really not at all clear how he would know. Liger404 (talk) 10:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems possibly this tweet is the source of it all. This is the much mentioned FT reporter. https://x.com/gideonrachman/status/1853838042194235420?lang=en Liger404 (talk) 10:39, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need to be far less Bias with sources and stop printing every "Ukrainian intelligence" statement.

Right now far too much of this article is based of Zelenskiy, Ukrainian intelligence or Ukrainian "officials" making statements. Whilst these are appropriate sources for some things, in this case they do not meat the wikipedia standards for bias or reliability.

Wherever possible find a 3rd party source like ISW, NATO, RUSI ect. Be careful that source is not simply quoting a Ukrainian government member.

When writing based solely on a Ukrainian report, ensure your language makes it clear this is a "Ukranian claim" not a fact.

Basically, if you wouldn't take the Russian governments word for it, don't take Ukraines either, they are at war with each other, they say all kinds of things. Seek corroborating sources wherever possible, exercise substantial caution with Ukrainians claims, which have so often been propaganda. Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island ect ect Liger404 (talk) 04:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liger404 you should not be editing the article. Please see the notice at the top of this page. TarnishedPath^talk 04:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I didn't see that. That's a bit unfortunate as the article is very bare. Liger404 (talk) 10:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add North Korean ammunition shipments to Russia.

North Korea has been shipping Ammunition to Russia for a year. This is their most substantial contribution to the war so far. I added this but apparently its not allowed. I have some RUSI reference if an approved editor would like to add this aspect to the article. Liger404 (talk) 10:44, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have a read of WP:ER of how to make edit requests of pages that have some level of protection. Might help you out with other articles also. TarnishedPath^talk 14:32, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]