Talk:Pep Guardiola

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2020

Catalonia cannot be a national team by definition. This information is wrong and false. Luiceur (talk) 19:15, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See Catalonia_national_football_team. If you think it does not exist, please start a discussion there. RudolfRed (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020

Catalonia is not a country recognized by FIFA. The section where he played for Catalonia should be removed under national teams Afj82 (talk) 03:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done I'm not sure what your point is. The article on the Catalonia national football team makes it clear that they are not "not affiliated with either FIFA or UEFA and is therefore not allowed to participate in either the FIFA World Cup or the UEFA European Championship". So

If you're trying to state that only FIFA-recognized national teams should be in player infoboxes, then make the statement (but you'll have to get consensus from the football project by discussing it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football first).

If you're trying to state that it should not be discussed in the "international career" section, the claim is sourced so I don't see it going anywhere. There's already nothing in the "career statistics" section, so you can't mean that. Please explain yourself more clearly. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2020

Change "Sala" to "i Sala" IPOokap (talk) 20:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

References

 Not done The sources you provide do not support your claim. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 15:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Here you have an official document from the Catalonia Parlament where you can see that his name is “Josep Guardiola i Sala”. So the name should be changed as requested by the other user.

It’s actually the normal way of putting two family names in Catalonia, but if you need an official document, here you have it .

[1]https://www.parlament.cat/document/actualitat/149028.pdf Littlelifes (talk) 22:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 23:21, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Why was this changed back? His last name is Guardiola i Sala, there's an official document showing it, as well as many other online sources. Most family names in Catalonia are written this way. Strawberryfire (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Champions league Season 17-18

Include Pep Guardiola's defeat to Liverpool in Champions League season 17-18. That part is missing Er. Aashish Tiwari (talk) 03:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2021

Change "Guardiola Sala" to "Guardiola i Sala". His full surname is "Guardiola i Sala", according to the Catalan naming customs. Wikipedia in essentially every other language adds the "i" between the two surnames. Also, there is no source to support the current version without "i". 2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 19:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I think my point was misunderstood. His surname according to the Catalan naming customs (see link above) must contain the "i". This should be the default. It is the current version without "i" that lacks any reliable source. Therefore, unless his surname can be proven to be "Guardiola Sala", Wikipedia should use the version with the "i".2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 (talk) 22:02, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

I think we understood your point: Catalan nationalism, etc. I think you misunderstood the request to provide a reliable sources that uses the Catalan convention rather than the Spanish convention. Most sources that I found use the Spanish convention: https://www.premierleague.com/managers/5285/Josep-Guardiola/overview , https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0252-0e764be2c247-18b687939779-1000--josep-guardiola/ , https://www.fifa.com/photos/galleries/josep-guardiola-1621522#barcelona-coach-pep-guardiola-1557781 and I could continue. I appreciate the sentiment, but the sources call him Spanish, not Catalan, and so we should use the Spanish convention unless there is a consistent use of the other. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2021

90.160.148.226 (talk) 19:51, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

X PEP HAS NOT WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IN 20/21 WITH MAN CITY???

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Tito and Pep

Re: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Pep_Guardiola&oldid=1025740482

@Walter Görlitz: How is a statement about the only two individuals be about just one? I disagree. Also, here is a tip from a noob editor re:MOS: Instead of deleting stuff, try fixing them, especially if they're minor. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 08:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Looks like you added it back regardless. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm open to have it removed. If you think it is really unnecessary, I'd be okay to see it go. Especially if you think it is not noteworthy in Pep's article. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 06:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

There are other editors who can remove it if they find it to be a problem. The naming convention was correct when you added it back. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Barca

Pep was at Barca 2008-2013 90.242.191.216 (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@90.242.191.216: Nope, he left in 2012. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pep Guardiola/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dr Salvus (talk · contribs) 20:21, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I'll be the one who'll review this. Not being a native English speaker, it could take a few days to review the grammar (I'm going to do this with a friend). Dr Salvus 20:21, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Review

1. Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass
(b) (MoS)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass

2. Verifiable with no original research:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass
(c) (original research)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass
(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass

3. Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass
(b) (focused)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass

5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Notes	Result
The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass

6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	The reviewer has left no comments here	Pass

Result

Result	Notes
Pass	The reviewer has left no comments here

Discussion

Tomorrow, I'll see the rest. Dr Salvus 21:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Let's see the grammatical mistakes (corrected by my friend)

• He is often considered to be one of the greatest managers of all time -> He is considered one of the greatest managers of all time [...]
• he guided Barcelona to the treble of La Liga, Copa del Rey and UEFA Champions League. -> he led Barcelona to the treble of La Liga, Copa del Rey and UEFA Champions League.
• in 2003, Guardiola chose to play in Qatar with Al-Ahli from Doha in the Qatar Stars League, -> in 2003, Guardiola decided to play in Qatar with Al-Ahli from Doha in the Qatar Stars League,
• a home draw to Southampton on 23 October 2016 meant Guardiola had equalled -> a home draw to Southampton on 23 October 2016 meant Guardiola had equaled

Dr Salvus 22:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Infobox looks to meet all manuals of style except, MOS:DATETOPRES. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus Is there anything else you or Walter think there is to fix? ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 14:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Further comments

• The prestigious Italian magazine Guerin Sportivo heralded: remove prestigious, it's not at all.
• Merge the last three sections of his playing career in a section called "Late career".

I've read the first half of the text. Will do the rest later. Dr Salvus 18:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus Done. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

• I must still see the last two sections, which I'll see tomorrow Dr Salvus 18:50, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@ArsenalGhanaPartey I've finished everything.

• which has influenced approaches of managers such as Mauricio Pochettino,^{[citation needed]} add the source or leave it out
• On 6 January 2022, Guardiola tested positive for COVID-19. By 14 January 2022, Guardiola had recovered from COVID-19. -> On 6 January 2022, Guardiola tested positive for COVID-19 amid its pandemic in the United Kingdom; he fully recovered on 14 January.
• I'm not very competent on this matter but there's 10% of possible of text violating copyright

That's all. Sorry for my not being active on it but it did think you were no more interested on it as you were less active. Dr Salvus 20:21, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus Done. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@ArsenalGhanaPartey: Omg, you've made a copyvio here and here. Dr Salvus 19:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

The first edit is a quote, so it is not copyvio. The second is copyvio. However, neither edits were made by me. I'll resolve them. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 20:08, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Correction, both are quotes. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Status query

Dr Salvus, ArsenalGhanaPartey, where does this review stand? Have the issues been addressed? Are there any issues with recent edits to the article? It would be nice to get this review moving again. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset, sorry I had completely forgot this. I'll immediately promote this. Dr Salvus 16:04, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Filmography

I have removed the recently-added filmography section. Adding specific sections like this has been generally avoided in articles whose subjects are non-media professionals, but I think it's worth discussion. In articles about other footballers, you can see prose mentions of prominent media appearances in the public image/reception sections; this is more complicated with the Guardiola article due to his prominence separately as a player and manager. The thought seems to be that as people who aren't actors or presenters etc., the media appearances are a side note to their career (not a focus) and only significant in that they reflect how the players have been received by the public. Including a filmography also begs the question whether all media appearances (e.g. documentaries) should be included - an as himself cameo is no more a proper role than featuring in a documentary.

Discussion should probably focus on whether media appearances are significant enough to warrant filmographies, and if so, which media appearances to include. Kingsif (talk) 12:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Managerial honours.

There are many {{citation needed tags in the honours section, Pro's trophy haul is not in doubt, so could someone confirm that the Barcelona FC webpage :- Pep Barca be ok as a reference for his trophies as a manager for Barcelona ?? Cltjames (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023

For the first photo of Pep coaching at FC Bayern, the photo on the right displays him in 2015, while the subtitle below mentions 2013 incorrectly. The photo file itself was published on Flickr in 2015. So the request is to fix the year of the subtitle from "Bayern Munich in 2013" to "Bayern Munich in 2015". Hope this small fix that should be easily to manage. Detektiv Prime (talk) 08:08, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: @Detektiv Prime: The original photo on flickr, [2], was indeed uploaded in 2015, however it was "Taken on November 24, 2013", so the caption is correct. --Ferien (talk) 09:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

The Bundesliga ball behind the coach is from the 2014/15 season (Torfabrik 2014/15), since it's designed after the 2014 World Cup design. Also the player who is wearing a black face mask is Robert Lewandowski, who joined Bayern in 2014 as a free agent, and the reason for the mask is due to an incident from the DFB Pokal's semi finals, which took place on 28th of April 2015. In the match against Borussia Dortmund, where the goalie hit him mid air on the head resulting a concussion. Not sure why the photographer inserted 2013 for the date of the photo taken but the photo was taken around the start of May 2015 Detektiv Prime (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

He coached in mexico

in 2006 he coached dorados de.sinaloa 2600:1011:B18B:CC68:F1F8:321A:B567:9B0B (talk) 17:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

His Latest Contract Extension

Under the "Managerial Career - Manchester City" section, I see every "Contract renewal" has been mentioned, except for the most-recent one, where he extended his contract to "mid-2025". I think the agreement took place in 2022. Can somebody assist me by telling me where in the article text to put this statement? Or maybe somebody can do it for me?

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37634161/pep-guardiola-signs-manchester-city-contract-2025 ; https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/guardiola-extends-manchester-city-deal-2025-2022-11-23/ GeographicAccountant (talk) 11:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Nationality

There is a Wikipedia RfC that reached the consensus to "if sources generally use a certain identity when referring to someone, and it is clear that the person self-identifies with that identity, to use that identity." I think this is one of the cases in which this should be done, as he has indeed made that clear. [3] [4]. So according to that it should be "a Catalan professional football manager" instead of "a Spanish professional football manager". Maybe, it should still be noted somewhere that the national team he played for was the Spanish National Team, but I think the starting biography should be changed. 2A02:A03F:64DD:3F00:74A2:C37D:CF48:116C (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.

This seemed clear cut at first, but after reviewing the sources neither actually describe him as Catalan or Spanish. The first says he supports Catalan independence, but doesn't explicitly confirm he identifies as Catalan. The second quotes his biographer, but it is a deprecated source that can't be used. This could probably be settled with other sources but these seem inconclusive.

There's also been some back and forth editing on this recently, so it should be discussed before a change is made. @Dillbob07 and @Bsckr, you may want to weigh in since you've both changed this recently. Jamedeus (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jamedeus, thank you for your answer, I definitely think more people should discuss it as I'm not 100% sure either, I tried contacting User talk:Scoelho86#Pep Guardiola as he reverted my edit but I got no answer.

What I disagree on is that he "doesn't explicitly confirm he identifies as Catalan.", in the BBC article they quote him saying "We Catalans, along with our democratic government and institutions, want to vote so we can decide [...]"

Regards, Bsckr (talk) 10:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, the BBC article is not in the original message, i meant this one. Bsckr (talk) 10:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jamedeus no one seems to be weighing in, do you have an opinion on this? or should we move the discussion elsewhere? Regards, Bsckr (talk) 15:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bsckr I don't have a strong opinion or particular knowledge on this issue. However, at this point I think its fair to change it back given the RfC, your BBC link, and this discussion with 2 requests to use Catalan and no objections. I just restored the wording from your most-recent edit and added a note to direct people to the talk page before changing it again. Jamedeus (talk) 22:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Guardiola identifies him as a Catalan. The sentence: Catalan professional manager from Spain its perfect. Panenkazo (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

The RfC itself has no clear consensus on whether it should or shouldn't contain the nationality like this. Since its a football article and Catalonia is not a FIFA-recognizable nation (it is not a nation per se), we should refer to him as a Spanish football manager, not Catalan. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 23:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Plus, it is a very clear breach of consensus: I don't see anybody calling Raúl (footballer) a Madrilenian football manager and former player, or Dorival Júnior as a paulista football coach and former player. Correct sentences use nations, not states. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 23:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Catalonia is officially considered a nation. The community of Madrid does not. You are making comments as when Sergio Ramos said he spoke the Andalusian language.. Yes, not exist this language. Panenkazo (talk) 00:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

The fact that FIFA does not recognize the Catalan Federation does not mean that it does not exist. This page, like that of other footballers, does not only contain content about their professional activity. Pep Guardiola is an activist and has been on political lists in favor of Catalonia. There is also content relating to his private life, investments, companies, ideology. It doesn't have to be just an exclusively sports page. Enough of this ignorance. Panenkazo (talk) 00:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Ignorance? Seriously? Mr. @Panenkazo, I was not the one who added a word to multiple intros against the consensus just because I wanted to. YOU were the one who did it. Read the RfC again, and stop vandalizing articles because you want to add a personal agenda about Catalan nacionalism. Even though Guardiola's article is correct according to the RfC (which remains a good load of nonsense for me), 99% of the other articles you edited aren't.

Gather sources and edit in an UNBIASED manner, which as far as I could tell, is not your case. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 04:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Like it or not, there is no doubt that Guardiola and other Spanish sportsmen/women are also Catalan. The fact that Catalonia is a nation is a legally and officially established fact, not because I am a Catalan nationalist. On most occasions they have represented Catalonia with the respective national teams. I'm not making anything up or doing any kind of vandalism. It doesn't matter your opinion, they are Catalans. Panenkazo (talk) 07:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

There is no doubt that Guardiola and other sportpersons are from Catalonia. He have represented Catalonia. However, identification or self-identification is a separate issue. But it is clear there is consensus to include the fact of their origin.

See coment of administrator @Black Kite: on @BrazilianDude70: talk page. It is a current/similar debate there. Panenkazo (talk) 08:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

The actual/current sentence "is a Catalan professional football manager and former player from Spain", does not say at any time that Pep Guardiola has Catalan nationality. He simply specifies that he is a Catalan person (a fact that cannot be debated) from Spain. Panenkazo (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2024

The beginning has a typo, it says “Pep Guardiola is a is a…” Ilyenkov (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

 Already done The mistake was fixed in this edit. Jamedeus (talk) 20:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

My recent edits

Please go to my talk page and tell me if my edits have any issues so i can improve thank you FerrariFan77 (talk) 21:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2024

In Managerial career; Barcelona; 2008–09: First season with first team and historic treble;

The third paragraph says: "The most important match, however, was on 2 May when they defeated Real Madrid 6–2 at the Santiago Bernabéu."

Should be 2-6 and not 6-2 as they were the away team. 67.218.254.123 (talk) 09:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

It's correctly written because it says "defeated" and it gives the venue. No confusion. It would be correct to say 2–6 if there was no such context. Seasider53 (talk) 11:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Per Seasider53. PianoDan (talk) 17:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)