Talk:Shibayama Railway
Shibayama Railway is currently a Transport good article nominee. Nominated by ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) at 00:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria and will decide whether or not to list it as a good article. Comments are welcome from any editor who has not nominated or contributed significantly to this article. This review will be closed by the first reviewer. To add comments to this review, click discuss review and edit the page. Short description: Railway company in Chiba Prefecture, Japan |
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GA Review
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Nominator: AlphaBetaGamma (talk · contribs) 06:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 14:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Images are appropriately tagged. I can't judge the reliabity of the sources so will take them on faith; the ones I can figure out look fine. [Added later: but see below in the spotchecks where questions have come up.] Spotchecks (footnote numbers refer to this version):
- FN 8 cites "The 92.8 km (57.7 mi) Haneda run goes through tracks of 6 different rail lines and requires coordination among 4 operators, namely, Shibayama, Keisei Main, Keisei Oshiage, Toei Asakusa, Keikyū Main, and finally Keikyū Airport Line. During the run, the sign on the departure board always lists the destination as (Higashi Narita) Shibayama to avoid confusing the customers." I used Google Translate and can't see most of this in the source; can you quote whatever the text is you're using to support this?
- FN 2 cites "The construction of the railway was strongly demanded by Shibayama residents". Verified.
- FN 17 cites "and Seinō Railway operates the shortest freight-only railway line at the length of 2.0 km". The source says it was once 2.0 km but is now only 1.3 km.
- FN 19 cites "The company formerly used Keisei 3600 series leased from Keisei Electric Railways during its initial time until 2013, which was given back to the company. During its time as a rolling stock used by the Shibayama Railway, the train color was changed from Keisei's blue and red color scheme to red and green, the color used in the company's logo." Verified.
I'll pause there till these issues are resolved. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, give me a few hours to fix this. I guess some sources were outdated for some reason. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- For FN8 - This was in the article before I expanded it without any references. Better remove that.
- Fixing FN17. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Replaced FN17 with a official blog by the company. For explanation the operational kilometer is indeed 1.3km but the actual distance is still 2.0km according to the company. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Mike Christie The issues with the 2 sources or fixed. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- OK; will do another spotcheck (since the spotcheck has to come up clean before I can promote to GA).
- @Mike Christie The issues with the 2 sources or fixed. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Replaced FN17 with a official blog by the company. For explanation the operational kilometer is indeed 1.3km but the actual distance is still 2.0km according to the company. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Second spotcheck. Footnote numbers refer to this version.
- FN 5 cites "Although the Shibayama Railway is an independent operator, it functionally resembles an extension of the Keisei Electric Railway; the line is operated using equipment and crews leased from Keisei, and the company has no crews directly employed by the company because of this." Can you give me some background about this website? I looked at this page but it doesn't say whether this is a one-person operation or something with corporate backing. What makes it a reliable source? The answer provided here is "Direct trains to the Shibayama Railway Line do not have a crew change at Higashi-Narita Station. The Keisei driver continues to drive the train, and the Keisei conductor also remains on board." which doesn't fully support what the article says. We don't know if the crew and equipment are leased or if there is some other financial arrangement, and there is nothing in the source that says the Shibayama Railway is independent of Keisei. And the person supplying the answer, Iron Mask -- are they just a member of the public or an employee of this website? Their page is here; it appears they're just a user, so I don't think this source is usable.
- FN 6 cites "However, IC cards are not accepted on this route, unlike most of Tokyo." I can't see support for this in the given source, though it's a longer piece and given how unreliable machine translation is I may well have missed it. This is also a cite to trafficnews.jp; at least this appears to be some sort of official user, though I still have questions about the reliability of the site.
- FN 7 cites "Most Shibayama Railway trains provide local service to Keisei Narita Station past Higashi-Narita; a few local trains run through to Keisei Ueno Station, and express trains operate during rush hours through the Keisei Line and Toei Asakusa Line to terminate at Nishi-Magome Station, or Haneda Airport Station on the Keikyū Airport Line." This is sourced to a timetable, which I can't really follow. I can see the service to Narita. How do I see the other information?
- FN 9 cites "Shibayama Railway was founded on May 5, 1981, and received an operating permit on June 24, 1988, for the 2.0 km line between Higashi-Narita Station and Seibijyō-Mae Station (later renamed to Shibayama-Chiyoda) to use dedicated small train sets between the current Shibayama-Chiyoda Station site and a temporary station adjacent to Higashi-Narita Station." I don't see where this says it was a temporary station next to Narita?
I'm concerned about the high failure rate of these spotchecks. I think I should probably fail this GA at this point, but to be fair I may well have misunderstood the sources or mistranslated them, so I'll wait for you to comment before figuring out what to do next. My recommendation would be to fail this, and then for you to take a couple of days to go through every citation (it's a short article so it wouldn't take long) and make sure everything is 100% cited correctly, to reliable sources. Then renominate. Let me know what you think. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like the original content that existed before the expansion weren't quite well thought of. For your reference, FN6 was unsourced before the expansion. Anyways, FN6 is supported by the reference, by the statement "ちなみに、芝山鉄道では「PASMO」や「Suica」などのIC乗車券は利用できず、自動券売機できっぷを購入する必要があります。" Machine translation was a bit unreliable there. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Then I'm thinking I should fail this and let you go through it to be sure it's clean? As a rule, when you expand an article, it's worth checking all the existing content and citations before nominating at GA -- you're not the first to be caught out by inaccurate work from before you edited the article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I went and checked all citations that I didn't, and I fixed a 404 link and several inaccuracies. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- OK, great. I'll do another spotcheck, probably some time tomorrow, and if that passes I'll go on with the review. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Though before I do that can you respond on the other spotcheck points above? E.g. the questions about the trafficnews.jp citations? and, unless you've changed those citations, the questions about FN 7 and 9? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- For FN7 and FN9 - I have cut the sources where I failed to pull references from the internet. Jawiki may have them, but I'm unable to check offline sources. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 12:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I consider traffic.jp articles by the official team to be generally reliable, while for those that aren't, it depends if they are an expert or not. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 12:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- For FN7 and FN9 - I have cut the sources where I failed to pull references from the internet. Jawiki may have them, but I'm unable to check offline sources. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 12:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Though before I do that can you respond on the other spotcheck points above? E.g. the questions about the trafficnews.jp citations? and, unless you've changed those citations, the questions about FN 7 and 9? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- OK, great. I'll do another spotcheck, probably some time tomorrow, and if that passes I'll go on with the review. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Third spotcheck. Footnote numbers refer to this version.
- FN 4 cites "the line is operated using equipment and crews leased from Keisei, and the company has no crews directly employed by the company because of this". Verified.
- FN 9 cites "The adult fare between Higashi-Narita and Shibayama-Chiyoda is 220 yen." Can you point me at the text that gives the fare price? I can't see it.
- FN 18 cites "The company currently uses Keisei 3500 series leased from Keisei Electric Railways since 2013. In 2022, the train's wrapping was changed to use red and green stripes, resembling the former 3600 series used on the line." This says it's been nine years since the livery colours were used, but it doesn't say the 3500 series were leased starting in 2013. I see FN 19 could be used to cite this. I would suggest combining "Current" and "Former" into a single paragraph with no subsection heading under "Rolling stock"; the two sections say almost the same thing.
- Not a spotcheck, but FYI the location map is going to need a source.
Sorry, ABG, but I'm going to have to fail this. I know you've done a lot of work correcting citations but after a third spotcheck comes up with problems, I really have no choice. Best of luck with the article if you nominate it again. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Explanation to avoid getting QFed in the 2nd nomination:
- The text stating FN9's faretable is located at the bottom part of the website.
- Thanks for the advice regarding the Rolling Stock section, and thanks for reviewing one of the transport nominees that were getting neglected for some reason. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
GA Review
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Nominator: AlphaBetaGamma (talk · contribs) 00:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: MetropolitanIC (talk · contribs) 06:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Will be taking this on for the coming week. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 06:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Since this is the second GA nomination, I'll go through comments from your GA1 before I get on with the review. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 06:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Preliminary Analysis
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I'm looking through the article right now, and I'm still seeing a couple of problems that are unresolved from the previous GA nomination.
A couple of issues I found from persisting from the previous GA:
- Footnote 8 - "During the run, the sign on the departure board always lists the destination as (Higashi Narita) Shibayama to avoid confusing the customers." I looked through the source, and still couldn't find where it says that in the article. I'm sure I've just missed it/there was an mistake or error in the translation, let me know if you can find the quotation.
- The location map is still missing a source.
New issues from my spotcheck:
- Footnote 10 - The article claims the railway was "founded on May 5, 1981," but source says otherwise, they give "May 1st" as the date.
- The provided source also states that the railway was given a license to operate "between Shibatetsu Narita Airport Station (adjacent to Higashi-Narita Station) and Seibijo-mae Station."
- The article claims that the license was to operate "between Higashi-Narita Station and Seibijyō-Mae Station (later renamed to Shibayama-Chiyoda)"
- I suppose that there's some wiggle room since the stations are adjacent, but it still appears to me that "Shibatetsu Narita Airport Station" and "Higashi-Narita Airport Station" are separate, different stations; the source is miscited on the article.
- Footnote 17 states "Seinō Railway operates the shortest freight-only railway line with an operational length of 1.3 km (0.8 mi)." While the source verifies its length, I can't find any description on the website stating that this railway is the "shortest freight-only railway."
It looks like a lot of the article has been cleaned up since the last GA nomination, there's only a couple of small issues here and there. I won't quick fail it just yet since most of these are just nitpicky issues, but I recommend looking over the article and its citations one more time before I go on with the review.
I will note, the map at Shibayama Railway#Location will need a citation/source, hopefully one exists on the JA wiki. Let me know if you have any other questions. I'll take another look when you're ready. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 08:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alright。Please hold the review because I'm bust for the rest of the day. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also, the map was probably directly pulled from jawiki by whoever had made the article first. I can clearly tell someone on jawiki probably made it for the article... ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm awake now...
- FN8
- Fix in progress
- FN10
- Seibijo-mae Station was a placeholder name for Shibayama-Chiyoda Station.
- I thought Higashi-Narita Station directly connects to the Line... If it was completely separate as you claim through service would be reality-bending. Do I need a citation to point that out? the FN8 website shows that the rider rode the train to Shibayama-Chiyoda from Keisei Higashi-Narita...
- The difference between the date has been fixed.
- FN8
- ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- FN 10
- there weren’t any problems with Shibayama Chiyoda, I found a passage in the source that supported the name change.
- I’m more concerned about the difference between Shibatetsu and Higashi stations. The Wikipedia page claims that the license was for operating from “Higashi-Narita” in the History section, but the footnote doesn’t support that, and claims the license was for operation from “Shibatetsu Narita Station.”
- While you’re right that the FN8 shows that the line operates from Higashi-Narita *presently*, the FN 10 source cited in the History section shows that back in 1988, that wasn’t the case. That’s the issue here.
- FN 10
- I’ll give you some time to take a look at it. I would recommend you do a quick sweep of the rest of the article as well. If my next random check comes up with more citation errors, I’m inclined to quickfail this GA2 before I look at the other criteria since the source problems from the GA1 persist. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 00:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll remove the FN8 statement from jawiki because I'm having trouble. It looks like the text came from the jawiki version, and the fucker never provided a source in jawiki. Could've sworn there was a source, but 3 months of time is enough for me to forget everything. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously though, the map is made by a jawiki editor. (https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shibayama_Railway_Linemap.svg) it's from Wikipedia, and I will not find a source for that anywhere. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- That’s unfortunate. Maybe there’s a similar map that depicts the same train station in one of the sources? I’ll take look around. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 02:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, no... ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 22:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well the best source I could come up with is a diagram on Google Maps: [1]
- If you're done looking over the article, I'd like to continue the review. I'll hold it for a couple more days. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 01:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MetropolitanIC, I've done my best to stamp out the citation issues. I don't know what to fucking do if this article still has the issue. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, no... ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 22:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- That’s unfortunate. Maybe there’s a similar map that depicts the same train station in one of the sources? I’ll take look around. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 02:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously though, the map is made by a jawiki editor. (https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shibayama_Railway_Linemap.svg) it's from Wikipedia, and I will not find a source for that anywhere. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll remove the FN8 statement from jawiki because I'm having trouble. It looks like the text came from the jawiki version, and the fucker never provided a source in jawiki. Could've sworn there was a source, but 3 months of time is enough for me to forget everything. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm awake now...
- Also, the map was probably directly pulled from jawiki by whoever had made the article first. I can clearly tell someone on jawiki probably made it for the article... ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Just coming back to say that I am in fact actively reviewing this (I have notes and comments typed up). I've just been a bit busy. Sorry about the delay, I'll have comments up soon. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 06:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @MetropolitanIC, any progress on this? If not, I would be happy to continue from where you left off. I understand from your user page banner that you might not have the time for this right now. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @It is a wonderful world, I just saw your comment through an email notification. I am indeed currently going through some stuff, so I'd be open to you taking over the review. I really appreciate the help.
- (AlphaBetaGamma, sincere apologies for holding up the article review. I hope it gets wrapped up soon.) MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 08:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Citation Check #2
[edit]Hey @AlphaBetaGamma, I've had this typed up for a bit and was hoping to post this along with the main review, but it's taking me a bit longer than expected. I've only been able to get back on Wikipedia recently after some IRL issues. I'll go ahead and post this first, the main review will be finished soon. Again, sorry about the delay.
Citations below are from this version: [2]
- Randomly selected - 5, 6, 14, 18, 21
- FN 5 - Good
- FN 6 - Good
- FN 14 - Good
- FN 17 - Good
- FN 18 - Looks like footnote 17 from earlier. Claiming it as the shortest freight-only railway isn't supported by the source.
- FN 21 - Good
Footnote 18 is a bit iffy, but other than that I think we're good to go ahead. I'm ll start on the main review.
MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 06:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- The FN after 18 supports the shortest freight railway claim. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Review by IAWW
[edit]Hi AlphaBetaGamma, per the messages above it appears MetropolitanC cannot finish this review and is open to me finishing it for him. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have reviewed below. I think the prose needs quite a bit of work, so it may take a few iterations of reviewing to get it up to standard. Once the prose issues are solved I will do the spot check. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Prose (Criteria 1a, 1b, 4)
[edit]Lead
[edit]I think the first paragraph is great.
Per WP:LEAD, the lead section is an introduction to an article and a summary of its most important contents. This means information in the lead should be verified (normally in more detail) in the body. So, Narita International Airport Corporation owns a 68.40% majority stake in Shibayama Railway as of March 2019. The remainder is owned by Keisei Electric Railway, Japan Airlines, the prefectural government, and others should be moved to somewhere in the body, and then summarized in the lead. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The lead then also needs to summarize the most important parts of the article. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Stations and operation
[edit]The line is operated using equipment and crews leased from Keisei, and the company has no crews directly employed by the company: The two parts of this sentence say effectively the same thing, or at least too similar to justify two clauses. Suggest cutting one. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
"IC card" is too obscure to assume the reader knows what this is. I suggest linking or adding a brief explanation. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
I think "express trains" should be linked It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The adult fare between Higashi-Narita and Shibayama-Chiyoda is 220 yen (110 yen for kids): Putting the kids fare in brackets suggests secondary importance, which isn't correct here. Also, "kids" is quite informal. I suggest rephrasing to "The fare between Higashi-Narita and Shibayama-Chiyoda is 220 yen for adults and 110 yen for children". It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
History
[edit]I think Japanese English more commonly uses dmy dates? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
received an operating permit on June 24, 1988, for the 2.0 km line between Shibatetsu Narita Airport Station (Now a part of Higashi-Narita Station) and Seibijyō-Mae Station (later renamed to Shibayama-Chiyoda) to use dedicated small train sets between the current Shibayama-Chiyoda Station site and the former Narita Airport Station. -> "received an operating permit on June 24, 1988, to use dedicated small train sets on the 2.0 km line between Seibijyō-Mae Station (later renamed to Shibayama-Chiyoda) and the Shibatetsu Narita Airport Station (now a part of Higashi-Narita Station).": Much more concise and clear. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
for the 2.0 km line: Add conversion to miles as in the lead It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Link "Shibayama-Chiyoda" for consistency with the other station It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
What are "dedicated small train sets"? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
What is "through service"? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
; construction of a through link was approved in 1996 -> ", which was approved in 1996": Conciseness It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Link "Narita International Airport" It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The Narita Shinkansen plan came to a permanent halt around this time, and the Keisei Electric Railway built a new line towards the terminal of Narita International Airport using the abandoned buildings for the plan, making the route from Keisei Narita Station to the old Narita International Airport station a new line named Keisei Higashi-Narita Line.
- Where did the line toward the terminal of Narita Airport branch from? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Move "using the abandoned buildings for the plan" nearer to the start of the sentence, so it is clear you are referring to the Narita Shinkansen plan It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
making the route from Keisei Narita Station to the old Narita International Airport station a new line named Keisei Higashi-Narita Line.: It's unclear whether this is the newly built route or an old one, since it hasn't been stated where the new line branched from, and the "old Narita International Airport station" could be the same terminal mentioned earlier which has since been abandoned, or another terminal built previously. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
It's not correct to use "However" here, since it doesn't contrast strongly with the previous sentence. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
the railway line was forced to extend the line: This doesn't make much sense. The line extended itself? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
by a further 0.2 km: Add meters to yards conversion It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, the cvt template converts it to inch for some reason, I can't do this one. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
However, the railway line was forced to extend the line by a further 0.2 km due to problems with buying land in 2000, and the name of the new station was chosen to be Shibayama-Chiyoda on the same year.: Connecting these clauses with ", and" doesn't flow well at all, because they are such separate ideas. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The construction of the railway was strongly demanded by Shibayama residents: Is "demanded" a bit strong here? Is implies the residents felt they had a right for the line to be built for them. Maybe something like "supported" is better. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I thought it was the right usage since the airport cut off access, and if I remember from the source one of them stated the railway was some sort of a reparation or something. I don't know, really. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- As the jawiki version states:
- "芝山鉄道は、成田空港が建設されることによって東西方向の交通が寸断され不便を被ることになる空港東側地域の住民や企業への補償として、国が当時の京成本線の(旧)成田空港駅(現在の京成東成田線の東成田駅)以遠を第三セクター方式で延伸する形で建設を約束した鉄道である。" ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Link "Transport Ministry" It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Is "Narita Airport Authority" notable enough to be redlinked? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The construction of the railway was strongly demanded by Shibayama residents and was supported by the Transport Ministry and Narita Airport Authority to appease residents of the area immediately east of Narita International Airport, as the airport property cut off Shibayama's access to Narita City and points west: Packing all this into a single sentence makes it hard to read. Could you break it up a bit to make it flow better? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Link "Chiyoda" It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
There was a proposal to extend the line into Chiyoda until 1996: What happened in 1996 to stop this? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport: If this is the same ministry mentioned in the previous paragraph, it should use the full name in the first instance, and then you can shorten it after that. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport has recommended studying an extension into central Shibayama Town: I have no clue what "studying" means in this context. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Line
[edit]There's no need for a bullet point list for a single item, it should probably be incorporated into the prose. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The Shibayama Railway Line advertises itself: The line doesn't advertise itself, the company advertises the line. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
gives out [free] certificates for using the line for free[it].: Conciseness It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
However, the Kurama-dera Cable is the shortest cable car line in Japan with a length of 207 meters (0.1 mi): What does a cable car line have to do with a railway? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Rolling stock
[edit]Link "rolling stocks"
The company has been using a Keisei 3500 series since 2013: Surely not a singular Keisei 3500 series? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
During the time [the] 3600 series was used by the Shibayama Railway: Conciseness It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
This section doesn't mention the 5300 series, but there is a photo of it on the line. What's up with that? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- The section used to mention stuff related to it, but was removed. The image stayed for some reason though. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Sources
[edit]Health/formatting (Criterion 2a)
[edit]No dead links, I added archives via IABot so the URLs are no longer susceptible to link rot. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The references would really benefit from some metadata being added to them, especially references like [7] and [8]. Another example is [16], it's unlikely that the reader knows the acronym MLIT, so it should be fully spelled out and linked. Consider also linking to the publishers/newspapers. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Is it possible to add URLs to the references without them? That would be really helpful for the readers. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Reliability (Criterion 2b)
[edit]I struggled (because I don't speak Japanese aha), but it looks as though everything is reliable. It is a mixture of news sources, books, and some primary sourcing. I don't see any issues here. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Spot check (Criteria 2b, 2c, 2d)
[edit]Will do the spot check when I have finished reviewing the prose. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Copyvio (Criterion 2d)
[edit]0.0% on Earwig copyvio detector, will check for any too close paraphrasing on the spot check.
Scope (Criteria 3a, 3b)
[edit]Having looked at other railway good and featured articles, it looks as though this is broad in its coverage. No issues here.
Stable (Criterion 5)
[edit]Media
[edit]The images in this article are quite poorly laid out and inconsistently formatted, causing some blank space. The top of the article is very image heavy, while the middle/bottom of the article could take some more. To fix these issues, I suggest:
- Change the "gallery" of one image to a normally formatted image and caption It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Swap the "Stations and operation" section with the "History" section It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Move the image of the map into the "Stations and operation" section, formatting it as a downsized thumbnail image with caption (where the citation can be included). You can use the
|upright=scaling factor
parameter to pick the size of the image you want. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Can translations be added to the Japanese in the map? To an English speaker the Japanese means nothing, so if at all possible the annotations should be translated to English. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
The two almost identical images of the Keisei 3500 series is quite redundant, I suggest cutting the image in the infobox, with will help give space to the other images. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Tags (Criterion 6a)
[edit]Captions (Criterion 6b)
[edit]A Keisei 3500 series EMU in Higashi Narita Station in July 2023:
- I don't know what an EMU is, and it is not defined in the article. Could a less technical term be used, or a link be added? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Link "Keisei 3500 series" It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think "July" is unnecessary detail It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
A series 5300 of Tokyo Metropolitan Bureau of Transportation listing the destination as "(Higashi Narita) Shibayama"
- Could "series 5300" and "Tokyo Metropolitan Bureau of Transportation" be linked? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Could "listing the destination as "(Higashi Narita) Shibayama" be changed to "on the Shibayama railway" for conciseness? It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Suggestions (not needed for GA promotion)
[edit]It would be cool if the stations had coordinates and some other information similar to this. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
"No." can become "No." with the Abbr template. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
I think the "Japanese" column would do better integrated into the "Station" column to save space. It is a wonderful world (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've had a rough and a busy December so far irl, and I'll work on this when I have the time. I've been wondering where the reviewer went to for the last week, so thanks for intervening. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, ping me when you have had time to address the concerns. It is a wonderful world (talk) 14:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
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