Talk:Unterscharführer

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My friend's photo

My friend,whose photo is used here would like to know how you found a copy.Thank you,,,,,John (User:Corson unsigned 10Dec06)

Wow...your friend is a veteran of the Waffen-SS? Would I like to talk to him. The photograph comes from National Archives II at College Park, Maryland as part of their SS records collection. Please have your friend pot to this site, his experiance and insight into this article would be awesome. -Husnock 07:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo Husnock,

my Waffen-SS friend is willing to communicate with you through me.Please email me on my junk address korson@hotmail.com and I will reply from my safe address.

regards,,,,,,,John.

Schindler's List scene

I readded this to the article since SL is a world famous film and this rank is specifically mentioned (several times) in the movie. The scene where Hujar kills a woman in cold blood has been referenced in several film texts. -OberRanks (talk) 13:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I think you must be talking about this edit in [1] in Unterscharführer? Thank you for explaining in such detail, that does seem worth mentioning.

By-the-way, it only by chance that I saw your response. If you want to be *absolutely sure* someone knows you have answered them, try:

Since these messages are often later erased, it doesn't make a "mess" leaving it on someone's talk page. (My talk page, for example.) Cheers, Piano non troppo (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is room for improvement here as well. The rank of Unterschfuhrer was your average rank for your 20 something Waffen-SS sergeant and several holders of the rank are Knights Cross recepients. It was also the rank typically held by the person who dumped the actual pellets in the gas chamber during the Holocaust. I think a "notable holders" section would be a great improvement. -OberRanks (talk) 01:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did catch the implication that there was an association with gas chambers. It might be interesting to know whether there was some particular training they received that de-humanized them, or whether, as was my impression, "the people fit the job". But there should be a very reliable reference for this. Wikipedia isn't the place for political propaganda.[2] Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 09:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rudolf Vrba, who I knew while he was alive, told me most of them engaged in genocide because they wanted to stay in the camps and never go to the Eastern Front. Richard Bock, who appeared in "The World at War" mini-series, pretty much said the same thing. But, you are correct, a good source must be obtained before adding it to the article. -OberRanks (talk) 13:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that you talked with Vrba. By chance, years ago, I walked into a reunion of WWII D-Day paratroopers. I was sorry that I couldn't stay longer. And now sorry that a chance like that won't occur again.

It's important to distinguish, though. Most people wanted to avoid the Eastern Front after the tide began to turn against the Nazis. But that's not a vaguely sufficient reason to join a concentration camp staff. People must look elsewhere to explain why such acts happen. Best Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 14:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Material was removed again. I'm placing it here until we get consensus. -OberRanks (talk) 22:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"In the film Schindler's List, the character of Unterscharführer Albert Hujar, (actually an SS-TV Blockführer in charge of a group of workers), executes a woman on the orders of his superior Hauptsturmführer Amon Göth, who demands: “Unterscharführer…shoot her”. This scene has been referenced in several film texts which mention the original SS rank; Schindler's list was unique among World War II Holocaust films in that an effort was made to use actual German ranks rather than translations into english.(ref)Internet Movie Database (http://us.imdb.com/)(/ref)"