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Sorry for the vandalism here. This talk page was full of probably copyrighted song lyrics before I blanked it. PoccilScript 00:48, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Although, to any recollection of mine, I have not been there, no doubt Wethersfield residents have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.170.118.4 (talk) 22:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wethersfield is Connecticut's oldest town, Windsor is the states oldest English trading post.

While Windsor may claim to be the states oldest "town" the State of Connecticut has recognized Wethersfield as being the oldest town. Windsor was first settled as a trading post in 1633 making it the oldest English settlement (the oldest European settlement in Connecticut was in Hartford, settled by the Dutch in 1623 as a trading post.) Wethersfield was settled in 1634 as a trading post and a town, that is to say a place with houses that people lived in with fields planted with crops, in 1634 and is generally regarded as the oldest town by historians.

From: A History of Connecticut: Its People and Institutions By George Larkin Clark - 1914

We have given an account of the building of a trading house at Windsor in September, 1633; in the autumn of 1634, ten householders and planters, called "Adventurers," including the venturesome and trying pioneer, John Oldham, settled at Pyquag, or Wethersfield; building huts they broke the land and sowed some rye, thus starting agricultural life on the Connecticut, and during the following May about thirty more took up land there. In 1635, Windsor received the first installment from Dorchester, and a company direct from England. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.32.21.10 (talk) 18:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I can't find any docuementation that the state recognizes Wethersfield as anything but second oldest. I can find multiple that Windsor is the oldest, including this: [1]. Are you referring to Weathersfield or Pyquag? If one equates Pyquag to Wethersfield, why not "trading post" to "trading post with houses"? A settlement is a settlement. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't until the adoption of the Fundamental Orders in 1638/9 that a distinction between a town and other organized settlements was made. Prior to that time, the establishment of a place was pretty much determined by when it was first settled for whatever purpose. --Polaron | Talk 20:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A settlement is a settlement? So Hartford would then be the first settlement due to Adrian Block founding of the House of Good Hope trading station in 1633?. It's not because a trading post is not a settlement. A settlement is where various and assorted people come to build their homes and farm the land. That would be Pyquaq-Watertown-Wethersfield and not Dorchester-Windsor. You need to shut off your computers and open some history books as this is a settled question and this continued insistence is an embarrassment to, and just reinforces how un-authoritative, Wikipedia is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.32.21.10 (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the end, the Connecticut State Library and the Connecticut State Register and Manual and the State of Connecticut website all state that Windsor is the oldest town in Connecticut, which are as authoritative sources as any. --Polaron | Talk 17:23, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So what, your just going to make things up? Not one of your sources says that Windsor is the first TOWN. A trading post may be a type of settlement but it is not a TOWN. A town must have homes and people that cultivate the soil. Like Wethersfield, not Windsor, did. Wethersfield has been considered the first town since the 1650s.

"the most Auncient Towne, {w"^ for the Riuer is determined by the Courte to bee Wethersfeild,)*

This early decision, by the General Court, of the question of priority of settlement of the River towns, seems to have been hitherto overlooked by writers on our colonial history. The clause within the parenthesis is, in the original record, interlined. As however the hand writing is that of Capt. Cullick, who ceased to be Secretary in 1658, the interlineation must have been made within a few years after the adoption of the code of 1650. The clause is retained in the first printed revision, of 1672-3, and in that of 1702 ; but is omitted in subsequent revisions." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.32.21.10 (talk) 21:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I gave notice at wt:CONN about this discussion and running edit war between Polaron and non-logged in editor about this, in the Wethersfield article. Apparently in response, but without comment here, an administrative editor has page-protected this article so only logged-in editors can edit.

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I would rather see actual discussion of the facts, am not sure it is right to lock in the version favored by one editor. --do ncr am 13:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change Wethersfield to the oldest town in Connecticut. There is debate about this in the discussion page. Wethersfield was the first Connecticut settlement and Windsor was a trading post. Both Windsor and Wethersfield have the right to claim oldest town, and one should not be favored over the other. I think that the issue of "oldest town" should be forefront to the Windsor and Wethersfield pages, or perhaps have its own page altogether. A resource such as Wikipedia is most helpful when there is disagreement on an issue, as it can highlight the differences and serve as common ground.

Thank you.

Mantoine614 (talk) 14:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While it is indeed the case that either one of these towns can be argues to be the oldest town in Connecticut, the official list of towns in order of establishment in the Connecticut State Register and Manual as well as in the State Library website both show Windsor to be the oldest. It is best to defer to official state sources to avoid potential back and forth editing and internal inconsistency across the Connecticut articles. --Polaron | Talk 00:03, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To be specific, http://www.cslib.org/cttownsy.htm gives the order of settlement. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the town

On a Dutch map of 1684 the town or region is called 'Weeters Velt' which means Field (land) of Weeter. http:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/6/66/New_Netherland_%27NOVI_BELGII_NOVAEQUE_ANGLIAE_NEC_NON_PARTIS_VIRGINIAE_TABULA%27.jpg 83.87.173.240 (talk) 10:23, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

FD

There are several others w/ claim of oldest, longest continuous FD. http://firehistory.org/?page_id=44 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djflem (talk • contribs) 15:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Climate

The climate is temperate. In Wethersfield, there are long, cold winters. With usually a lot of snow. The temperature could drop to the teens and even negatives at night. In the summer it gets very hot and humid. It could get up to the high 90s and 100s Stallion2 (talk) 21:12, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Flag controversy

I added a section about the recent flag controversy. This controversy was local and state, and then grew national. There are plenty of RS's. There is a certain editor who keeps removing this section. The editor is User:70.172.140.113. I want to note that this is the only edit to Wikipedia that this editor has ever made. See User contributions for 70.172.140.113. See [2]. So, I am bringing this matter to this Talk Page. Thanks. 32.209.69.24 (talk) 22:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that it seems like a minor event of no lasting notability. We don't have to cover everything that appears in reliable sources. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's very notable. Was in the news again just yesterday. Local news that became national news. It's concerning that this one editor has never made a single contribution to Wikipedia, ever. Except for this one. So, I have my ideas that it is a politically connected conflict of interest. Also, any one statement can be extracted from this article ... and claimed to be "a minor event of no lasting notability". For example (from the article):

* The Wethersfield Historical Society sponsors free outdoor concerts throughout the summer.

* A meteorite fell on Wethersfield on November 8, 1982.

* Wethersfield is served by route numbers 43, 47, 53, 55, 61, and 91.

* Etc. Etc. Etc.

Any one statement can be extracted and deemed to be "a minor event of no lasting notability", as these examples -- and many others -- um ... exemplify. Thanks. 32.209.69.24 (talk) 19:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]