Talk:Whitman Middle School

This article was nominated for deletion on 02 November 2005. The result of the discussion was no consensus (default to keep).

Importance

The article says it's a middle school, that tells users how important it is. Kappa 16:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, it tells users it's a middle school. It doesn't have any information on why this is a particularly important or significant middle school, relative to other middle schools in its area. Chris talk back 16:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Will you be placing the same tag on every little municipality in wikipedia as well, so that somebody explains why a town with a thousand people or less is more signficant than all the other towns with a comparable size? This article clearly needs expansion, but it needn't show it "rises above the rest". --rob 03:47, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comparing schools to towns is like comparing apples to oranges. Just like every other person, organisation, product and concept on Wikipedia, there's no reason school articles should not demonstrate the relative importance of their subjects. This concept of "inherent notability" or "inherent importance" is a fallacy, as it suggests that something is not important for any particular reason, but it's just important. There are reasons why the subjects of some articles are relatively important (i.e. important or notable in their respective field). This article doesn't contain any information on why it is a particularly important or notable example of a middle school. I am putting the tag back on, and will continue to do so. Chris talk back 20:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

- - No, actually the importance of school of 1,060 is probably closer to a township of 1,060 then it is to the importance of single person. In fact, there's often more published about schools than sub-one-thousand townships. For instance, mayors of such townships are typically volunteers, winning by acclamation, doing it in their spare time, with little/no staff as opposed to a full-time principal overseeing a professional staff. This school is clearly more important than Perth, Towner County, North Dakota, with 13 people. --rob 01:12, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - If you put the tag back, you are just wasting the time of people trying to clear up the category. This school probably isn't any more or less significant than a typical middle school of its size; asking people to prove otherwise is sending them on a wild goose chase. Kappa 01:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - If that's the case, then the article doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Chris talk back 19:17, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      - The AfD will determine that, not your insistence of having this clearly partisan tag affixed to the article as a spoiler.--Nicodemus75 23:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        The AfD would determine that, were it not for the organised effort to disrupt the AfD process. Chris talk back 00:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        I agree, the organised effort to keep nominating schools for AfD that clearly won't be deleted is a disruption of the AfD process.--Nicodemus75 10:21, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        Your argument is a fallacy, known as "I know you are but what am I?" It is usually employed by 6-year olds who can't think of a decent response. Chris talk back 01:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        
        The school is one of the largest middle schools in Seattle, which makes it important enough as a stub. There are less important articles on Wikipedia that nobody complains about, why is everyone picking on this one? Nobody is going to change anything with the tag on there, so it is best kept off the page. — Wackymacs 08:59, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Chris, the fact people do not vote the way you personally wish, doesn't mean there's a "disruption". You failed to address properly the analogy to tiny municipalities (for obvious reasons). Please don't use this article's talk page to pursue AFD complaints. This talk page is to discuss the content of the article. The article is to describe the school, not to display a tag showing your problem with school articles. --rob 09:21, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        There being a disruption is nothing to do with the fact that they're "not voting the way I personally wish" (in fact, if someone actually wrote a school article worth keeping on a subject school worth keeping, I'd happily vote to keep it, and have done several times in the past). The disruption actually stems from there being an organised group of some 20-30 users who descend onto every single AfD involving a school and automatically vote axiomatically, with no regard for the content or subject of the article. Chris talk back 01:37, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        Try looking at somebody's voting record before commenting. I've voted to delete in cases where there are valid policy grounds, such as non-verifibility. There's no requirement that a school be any more special than a tiny town. You have yet to explain why a school of 1,060 is less signficant that a municpality of 13 (which is always kept). It's truly sad you have to sling insults like "disruption" or "vandal" around whenever you don't agree with somebody (I notice you do this with others as well). Also, note your violated the 3RR, as explained on your talk page. That's an area where wikipedia has a very clear policy. If you wish to contribute constructively to the schools debate, you should consider contributing to Wikipedia talk:Schools with your own proposal. There are lots of aricles in Wikipedia I wish weren't here, that I can't prevent, but I don't try slapping needless tags on them, as a way of expressing my frustration. Wikipedia has 800,000 articles, so you may wish to learn to accept there are many you won't like. --rob 01:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        You have yet to explain why a school of 1,060 is less signficant that a municpality of 13 (which is always kept). I have not and will not explain this, because it is not the argument I am contesting. It is an example of the "fruit fallacy" (comparing apples and oranges). I am stating the simple fact that this article has no information stating that it is an important school (bearing in mind that "inherent importance" is a fallacy). Please stop dodging the argument with unrelated spurs. Though if anyone does mention "the Pokemon test", I'd happily point out that a Pokemon known to tens of millions worldwide is rather more "notable" than a school known to only a few thousand, though not wanting to ligitimise fruity comparisons. Chris talk back 02:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        This is just stupid, the fact that it is one of the largest middle schools in the whole of Seattle makes it important, end of story. The majority of people are against your argument so you're not going to get anywhere. — Wackymacs 07:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Students

Is anyone that has been talking on this page even a student/teacher at whitman? I know whitman has a large student wiki base and I seems weird that compleatly random people are talking about it with so much athority. - Some guy whos never contributed to wikipedia before

Seriously, I go to Whitman, and I know the guy who just posted above. He goes to whitman too. 24.18.208.18 23:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Racist?

I saw a section on racism in the page, the claims were unfounded and I have removed them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ichikatsu (talk • contribs) 03:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]